my cousin just got a new 2002 2.7T 6-speed a few months ago. i saw his brother-in-law driving it here on campus. i was walking back from class and he was in the car so we only got to talk for a second. i was thinking about challenging him to a race.

A6 2.6T:
250 HP
258 lbs TQ
and its all-wheel drive
limited at 130 mph

Me:
255 HP
246 lbs TQ
and all i have is measly HLSD which probably wont improve my launch at all.

it would all be just for fun but im wondering if my car would be able to keep up. even though they are very similar i have a feeling he has the better car.

 

He should be noticably heavier so I think it would be a great race.

 

definitely a driver's race... race him and tell us cuz i think the new 2.7 t are awd 6 speeds... i want to see whose better

 

yeah i didnt even think about that

Curb weight (lbs.)
manual: 3759


its a biggun.

 

2.7T torque is near peak _very_ early, but you do have a weight advantage. I'd say it would be advantage Audi, but it wouldn't be a blowout.

 

I'd say Max, that's a LOT of extra luggage.... Just imagine how fast we would be if we could loose 500lbs

 

err..uh.. considering that the Audi cost around 40k I'd say advantage Max if the Audi doesn't blow the Max's doors off

 

I would say that from a roll you would probably take him. I say this because my brother had a S4, and he got a 6spd 02' Max before his leased ended on the S4. Anyway, he had a friend go out and run with him from all different speeds and a full stop. Of course the S4 took him from a stop, but from a roll they were just about dead even until the 120+mark. Being that the A6 is heavier, that is why I say that you shouldn't have a problem.

 

I raced a guy two stop lights in a row in an A6 2.7T 6-speed about a year ago. He was driving very aggressively too. I was able to get the jump on him off the line by about 1/2 car length at best (weight advantage). The Max then held that lead all the way up to about 65mph where we both shut down. That was the result both times. It was pretty nerve racking because I wasn't able to gain an inch, even with really good shifts at near redline. He gave me a big thumbs up after the second race and turn off at the next road.

My car is a '00 SE 5-speed... a '02 SE 6-speed should be able to do better. Oh, unless he gets a chip. Then it would be bye bye Maxima. The chip brings them up to 310hp without any effort.

 

i ran consistent 14.6 with my brothers 2001 a6 2.7t 6 speed. They have the same engine as the s4 but are heavier. The maxima has the potential to run the quarter mile in 14.288 from what i have read. IF the driver of the maxima got a good launch,he would win. As far as i know the s4 runs a 14.1 compared to the a6 2.7t;s 14.6. The half second difference is because of weight.

 

I say you'd win. I've run 3 of them on the road to date, albeit all from a roll, i've managed to gain a car or half a car's length on them up to 80 or so mph.

From a stop you probably won't launch as good so you have to practice that technique.

Btw, i have an auto.

 

This would be a very good race. The audi has the advantage of turbo and AWD. The turbo gives it a wide and big torque band. The AWD gives it a great launch.

The audi also has the dis-advantage of weight and AWD. It weighs alot, and the AWD advantage just becomes a dis-advantage once rolling, just more drivetrain components to spin around.

You have the advantage of a killer V-6 and less weight and FWD. Less weight makes your car zippier, the FWD drivetrain is most efficient, so once rolling, you are better off than AWD.

Your dis-advantage is FWD, can't put all your v-6 power to the ground at launch. Once rolling, your OK, maybe even better because the FWD drivetrian doesn't put as much a load on your engine as AWD does. It's more efficient.

This is good. Let us kno how it goes.

DW

 

I've seen a lot of Audi Mags Put Up Magic #s in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. But at the track the guy couldn't break 14.7... This was a Auto not speed so I don't know. Also remember All wheel drive is good for take off, doesn't do crap in the long run.

 

I hear ya... for $40K give me a modded 2K2 Max + change over an A6
for $80K, give me a modded (used) A6 2.7T + change over an M5

But he did ask how they'd do in a race, and it seems from the thread that the Audi may have an advantage off of a dead stop, but otherwise it may go Nissan's way.

 

Having owned a 00, I can tell you, they are pretty quick. The actual HP numbers are a little higher than advertised. Probably around 265-270 (using the basic HP/TQ calculators)
They are heavy, and that's what affects them in the 1/4 mile. I have run regular 14.4-14.5's at E-town, and 14.7's at the Maxima meet last year in MD. Heat and weather affect the performance, as heat soak is the enemy of any turbo engine.

Never raced a 02 6 spd, but I would think that on the streets, they're fair game for the A6, as it's very easy to send your tires up in smoke on an aggressive launch. Even though the A6 may be limited to 130 (an indicated 138 in my car) don't sleep on them. The gearing does not support 1/4 mile racing, and it's not until 3rd gear that the car really begins to pull hard. I have been telling people for quite some time that AWD doesn't sap 25% of the available HP from an engine, and here is a link to a discussion with some factual information (it may require a paid subscription to get the good info) on how AWD may sap up to 20-25%, but actually gains HP back in efficiency for having all wheels driven, so the net effect is something like 12-18% total HP loss to the wheels.
http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/714848.phtml

All in all, it sounds like a good race, on a standing start, he'll get you. In the 1/4 you will probably get him back. Over the 1/4, he will begin to pull you in, and perhaps pass you, until he hits his limiter.
With a chip, it's no contest. An automatic 2.7 runs the 1/4 in 13.9-14.0 with just a chip. I've seen chipped 2.7's (automatics) outrun some serious cars on the big end.
Chipped 6 spds run 13.6 and probably less (not too many owners run them at the strip) However there is one fellow in MA with a chipped 6spd, with an exhaust, who can run with an M5 up to about 100 mph. (chip, exhaust and Bypass valves), from that point, the M5 will walk away.

 

No one has come up next to me at a light and challenged me..hmmm.. methinks, pr'aps, the word's out about the MAX?

 

...Either that or nobody even thinks the driver of one will race... I still think the 02 Max is the biggest sleeper car on the block. Nobody except real Nissan enthusiasts seem to really realize that the car does indeed have a 255hp / 246lbs./ft. 3.5 V-6... Once they do it is usually too late... I have been eating V-6 Mustangs and Rice-boy civics and accords for breakfast around my house at the stoplights...

 

You look over and rev your engine doncha?

 

...No! I swear! They just look at my ride and think, 'I am gonna show this guy what my (insert favorite inferior non-Max car name here) can do!' Then I give them a second to get going, headstart, so they feel good about themselves, and I drop the hammer. You can almost feel the air going out of their egos as I pass effortlessly by... Its wonderful.

 

yeah people who get in my car are like "i bet this car is pretty quick. its got 200+ horsepower" they're thinking like 200-222. they have no idea its got 250+ horsepower. i think its because nissan did so much advertisement for the 2k/2k1s with 222 HP then really slacked off for the 2k2s since the new altima came out. people think its just the same as those "pretty quick" 2k/2k1s.

 

I played with a 2.7T on I66 a couple weekends ago....it was pretty even but neither of us could push it wide open for very long becuase others kept getting in the way...He did keep looking over and shaking his with a grin on his face. We both took the same exit but he wouldnt come up to the light next to me even with the open space (chicken??)

I dont seem to get many challenges either at stoplights no matter how hard I try.....but I do like shocking them when they arent expecting it and peel out off the line..usually end up with riceboy flybys by the next light with looks of shock on their faces

 

ever since i got my car i make sure to check out who's next to me at the light. no matter what time of day it is, no matter where i am its always a middle aged woman in like a 91 accord. ive never even gotten a chance to have a little fun since i got the new car. only fun ive ever had in a 6 speed was when i was testing driving one here at school while mine was on order. i passed an old dude in a 540 right before the on ramp then he tried to fly by me on the highway but it wasnt happening.

 

Ha! You'll get your chance buddy. The moment you see some smart-azz snot-nosed kid in a ricey Accord with a big fugly muffler tip, you show him what's what and come back here and tell us all about it. You can roast those guys all day like lil' smokies and it puts a big ol' grin on your face too...

 

A stock 2.7T would be a good race. A phase I upgrade (chip/air filter) increases Hp to 295. A phase IV upgrade (Chip, air filter, exhaust, bigger turbos, electronic boost controller, sport intercooler, and cat-bypass) boosts hp to 400. BTW, a phase IV upgrade costs over $7k

 

It will be very close if you have the auto.........this car has the exact same engine as the S4, and my friends S4 BARELY pulls on my orther friends auto Maxima.......matter of fact, most of the time they are dead even. Provided the A6 is heavier, I believe that you will win.......and if your car is an 6spd, then your going to walk him.

 

prev had a awd car and they are GREAT outta the hole but after that they have NO advantage + the extra weight and friction of the extra components actually rob hp and thus the race against the MAX. I am so sure the max would win (with equal drivers) that I would bet on it and I don't bet on to much.

SS

 

Leaving Staten Island heading to Brooklyn climbing the Verrazano Bridge. After passing through the toll plaza, the GLE passed a CLK 430 and moved to the open center lane. He took off, I followed. From 40-90 (3rd gear for me) I walked up to him, with no problems. At the top of 3rd (90 ish) I was passing him.
He was pretty quick getting up there, but not blistering. This I know because the CLK 430 took off behind me, and he too passed the Maxima, shortly after I did.
See the link in the earlier post I made for inforation on AWD drivetrain power loss