I was reading the thread about the frankencar intake. I am planing on buyintg an intake, and I was wondering if anyone was having problems with the K&N filter on the frankencar intake. It was mention a few times in the other post but nothing that goes into detail of what really was happening. Could someone please explain to me what the problem is with the K&N filter.

Is the Monsterflow better or is it just personal preference?

 

There is no problem with the K&N out of the box. The problem is when people clean them and re-oil them. Too much oil causes build up in the MAF. Just follow instructions reoiling and you should be fine. This is my 1st K&N experience but from what I've heard others say, K&N has given them no problems whatsoever.

 

As the above member said, the problems w/ the K&N filters have been very few and the problem is not the design. One member said theirs came w/ too much oil(very rare but maybe true) Others don't seem to read the instructions that are very clearly written on the cleaning/re-oiling kit(s). It very clearly states NOT to overoil the filter.

What I would like to to know is what is the filtering efficency of the MS filter.

 

soundmike and I are gonna dyno (both 2k2 autos) when his MF gets here so hopefully we can get a better idea of any differences

BTW I've had NO problems with my K&N

 

Me too! I'd also like to know what a "petroleum tactifying agent" is.

 

I'm not exactly sure about the whole thing but a Tactifying Agent, by definition and in laymans terms, is an agent that helps the substance in question to stick to the product it's applied on.

So based on that description, i guess it's a petroleum based agent the helps make the oil stick to the foam filter.

But don't take my word for it.

 

Sort of like flypaper, huh? Just between you and me, I suspect that "petroleum tactifying agent" is just a fancy name for "oil".

We'll see . . .

 

How often do you guys clean your K&N filters?

The cleaning instructions that I found on the web say clean every 50,000-100,000 miles on street driven applications.

Thanks.

 

Could be. Oil sticks to paper & K&N just as well. You're right though, time will tell.

 

it's a NON petrolateum tactifying agent and that's why it wont' damage MAF's. it's a substance similiar to oil but it's not cus oil is petrolateum and this isn't.


hmm matt your gonna dyno with soundmike, that will save me the hassle, coudl you switch filters between cars too, so each car uses the different filters so we get a PERFECT idea of the diff. i don't see a big if any HP difference but it should be smoother.

 

I'm pretty sure it's gauze(cloth) not paper.

 

yeah, I'm tryin to get more people in H-ton to do it too but no takers yet

 

That's correct. K&N filters do not use paper.

 

My bad. Idea's mix-up in my mind every now and then. Thanks for the correction

Steve, yep... hopefully next weekend. I'll do a baseline dyno (Bone-stock) then install the FI w/ MF. Run. FI w/ KN. Run. Matt will do the same. He's had his intake longer so chances are, given his ECU is already pre-adjusted, he might even give a better and more accurate result than i.

Hmm... come to think of it. Would be nice if someone from Houston can also lend us the Berk and Stillen intake. It'd be interesting to see the differences between all intakes.

 

i plan to try that with a 2k1 soon, RU4REAL will do whatever i tell him

 

Would still like to know

 

how would i test this??? i know most of the times labs do it. i could try and petition one to do it i guess or try something myself?

 

The best way would be to bug MS for testing or find an online independant test. I found one for Accel(sp) foam oiled filters. Their site of course said their filtered great. They did compare them to I think K&N or cotton oiled and paper.
Generic K&N stuff that been around for years
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/kn8.htm

Some Amsoil stuff
http://www.desertsundirectsales.com/k&nbitesthedust.htm

UNIfilter for motorcycles. Not scientific but interesting:
http://www.unifilter.com/performance-facts.htm

And I found it! Although not specificly dealing w/ oiled foam(gredy?) It's one of the more unbiased tests I've seen.
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/1/

English version:
http://www.gtrowner.com/induction.html

One more:
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lists/archiv.../msg00023.html

 

Now you're talking!

 

After reading the above information from the websites provided, my next question is, will the apexi filter fit on the frankencar intake system?
it seemed to be the best

 

Problem is, every air filter manufacturer says that their air filters filter the best and flow the best, and they always have the data to back up their claims. Obviously somebody's lying. The question is, who?

 

Damn that is one nice a$$ filter!!

 

Well, I just ordered the Monsterflow..

 

My question is, will the MonsterFlow filter (which is a foam type filter) perform the same as the HKS Mega Flow

 

the monster flow appears to be much higher quality foam then the HKS's that i've seen, you don't throw away the monster flow like with a HKS. it's high quality and can be cleaned and re-used unlike the fragile HKS.

 

As usual you are more than likely correct....bottom line this is a case where excess really is!

l8tr -- SS

 

Well it's at least one nice a$$ looking filter.

My comment regarding whether the foam used in the MF is better than the foam used in the HKS is never judge a book by it's cover. The only prima facia advantage MF has over HKS is that it uses a "petroleum tactifying agent" (aka "oil"?). This "agent" presumably assists in trapping particulate matter and provides a level of protection that the HKS filter does not. How effective it is at accomplishing that is anybody's guess.

 

http://www.gtrowner.com/induction.html

I still would like to know.

According to the info at this site, which was done by a nonbiased magazine, the Apexi filter is the best for power and filtration. Also it doesn't use any oil so that you don't have to worry about oil contaminating the MAF.

Why isn't this filter being used with the Frankencar intake, instead of the foam type filter, which performed very poorly in the test.

Could somebody please clear this up for me?
Will the Apexi filter fit on the Frankencar kit?

 

Questions, questions . . . AND DAMN GOOD ONES TOO!

For more info on A'PEXi air filters, check out:

http://www.apexi-usa.com/intake_powerintake.asp

It appears that A'PEXi makes a universal filter that fits an 80 mm opening. There's a problem, however. Even if the filter fits on a Maxima, the entire filter has to be replaced when it gets dirty. The cheapest price I've found so far for the universal filter is $65.00. Check out:

http://www.rollhard.com/apexintake.htm

I think I'll just stick with my trusty K&N for now. FWIW, I've never had a problem using a K&N filter.

 

it should fit on the kit, it's 80mm and 3 inch pipe is 76.4, and the monster flow uses a different type of foam and is a much better design then the HKS, they didnt test a mosnter flow so we can't make assumuptions. here's what i'll do this week. i'll grind some black dust particles VERY fine, hook up each filter to my shop vac and suck suck suck and have a coffee fitler or a few there to catch what goes through and give similiar results as to that test. i've never heard of the apexi before today but the monster flow has a velocity stack and that doesn't. i'm content with the monster flow filters, and i will have dynoes soon and this week i will do that test i just described, any ideas for the particles???? and do you want someone else present, or do you guys trust me??

 

We TRUST you ! .. For what it's worth , my local speed shop, I mean HUNDUH hang out , looked at me like I was from KRYPTON when I asked about MONSTERFLOW today... The kid behind the counter said : " The filter will cost you more than your intake " . I proceeded to tell him I drove a 2K2 Maxima.. he said.. : " Are those fast " .. at which point I walked out and went home, before I claimed the life of a future " Landscapers of America " memeber .....

 

The test just looked at how good a filter the filters were. Just as important is the pressure drop needed to get that type of filtration. If it is too restrictive then you may good good filtration, but not good performance.

 

I think you would have to use more than one filter so you could have some sort of comparison. Since K&N is the standard you should probably test it MF vs. K&N. For me as long as the filtration on the MF is acceptable I will consider it, it doesn't have to be the best, particularly if the MF shows more power on the dyno.

I don't know if the HKS is oiled, but if it isn't than it can not be compared to the MF.

 

that;s why i'm gonna dyno to make sure i get similiar or better results.

 

You are correct. The HKS is not oiled. As a result, it cannot be compared to the MF. From a filtration perspective, a better comparison would probably be the Amsoil two-stage foam air-filter. Unfortunately, the Amsoil filter was not tested by the same independent lab that tested the others. However, you can review Amsoil's own tests at the following web site:

http://www.amsoil.com/products/ts.html

 

any idea on what i should use for the dirt in my test. i migth go do it now.

-steve

 

Did you ever finish this test?
Thanks,
Paul

 

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