2k2 auto dyno #'s - stock vs. Berk Intake
06-23-2002, 02:00 PM
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2k2 auto dyno #'s - stock vs. Berk Intake
Pretty interesting results...
-2k2 SE wife-o-matic (someone else thought of this, I can't remember who, but thought it was friggin' hilarious)
-95 degree day, about 80% humidity..scorcher for the most part.
-3500 miles on the clock (For the VQ 3.5, I think mileage plays a big role, power-wise).
Here we go...(rpm's are eyeballed from black & white chart. For some reason they have a laser printer instead of a color inkjet. I'll have the actual Dynojet file at a later date.)
stock: 196.9 fwhp @ 5700rpm, 220.8 ft/lbs @ 4500rpm
Berk: 202.5 fwhp @ 5750rpm, 207.9 ft/lbs @ 4300rpm
difference: +5.6fwhp, -12.9 ft/lbs with the Berk. Your results may vary.
Needless to say, I'm back to stock, for now. Maybe with a "mid-pipe" (Frank or upcoming Berk) the results will be different.
Although, due to personal preference, I am not too sure I will always run with a mid-pipe. When originally installing the Berk, I removed the resonator box that a mid-pipe replaces and absolutely couldn't stand the amount of noise the intake made.
And yes, this will be posted in the dyno forums. I just know that, from my memory, there hasn't been a stock vs. Berk battle at the dyno. And I know that there were folks wanting to know.
Enjoy.
-2k2 SE wife-o-matic (someone else thought of this, I can't remember who, but thought it was friggin' hilarious)
-95 degree day, about 80% humidity..scorcher for the most part.
-3500 miles on the clock (For the VQ 3.5, I think mileage plays a big role, power-wise).
Here we go...(rpm's are eyeballed from black & white chart. For some reason they have a laser printer instead of a color inkjet. I'll have the actual Dynojet file at a later date.)
stock: 196.9 fwhp @ 5700rpm, 220.8 ft/lbs @ 4500rpm
Berk: 202.5 fwhp @ 5750rpm, 207.9 ft/lbs @ 4300rpm
difference: +5.6fwhp, -12.9 ft/lbs with the Berk. Your results may vary.
Needless to say, I'm back to stock, for now. Maybe with a "mid-pipe" (Frank or upcoming Berk) the results will be different.
Although, due to personal preference, I am not too sure I will always run with a mid-pipe. When originally installing the Berk, I removed the resonator box that a mid-pipe replaces and absolutely couldn't stand the amount of noise the intake made.
And yes, this will be posted in the dyno forums. I just know that, from my memory, there hasn't been a stock vs. Berk battle at the dyno. And I know that there were folks wanting to know.
Enjoy.
06-23-2002, 02:30 PM
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Re: 2k2 auto dyno #'s - stock vs. Berk Intake
Originally posted by hawks25
Pretty interesting results...
stock: 196.9 fwhp @ 5700rpm, 220.8 ft/lbs @ 4500rpm
Berk: 202.5 fwhp @ 5750rpm, 207.9 ft/lbs @ 4300rpm
difference: +5.6fwhp, -12.9 ft/lbs with the Berk. Your results may vary.
Pretty interesting results...
stock: 196.9 fwhp @ 5700rpm, 220.8 ft/lbs @ 4500rpm
Berk: 202.5 fwhp @ 5750rpm, 207.9 ft/lbs @ 4300rpm
difference: +5.6fwhp, -12.9 ft/lbs with the Berk. Your results may vary.
Berk: 202.5 fwhp @ 5750rpm, 207.9 ft/lbs @ 4300rpm
OH $H!T!!!
06-23-2002, 03:35 PM
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ok hold on a sec man, u lost me here i think its s typo or something or atleast i hope it is.
stock: 196.9 fwhp @ 5700rpm, 220.8 ft/lbs @ 4500rpm
Berk: 202.5 fwhp @ 5750rpm, 207.9 ft/lbs @ 4300rpm207.9 the torque is backward from before and after. just pointing it out thats all. but thats pretty damn impressive but just a question, did u run the engine to redline or u let it shift when the tranny wanted. cuz the redlines at 6600rpms and if u didnt run it that high i think there is still more power under ur hood thats not measured on paper. just curious, but pretty damn good #'s man.
stock: 196.9 fwhp @ 5700rpm, 220.8 ft/lbs @ 4500rpm
Berk: 202.5 fwhp @ 5750rpm, 207.9 ft/lbs @ 4300rpm207.9 the torque is backward from before and after. just pointing it out thats all. but thats pretty damn impressive but just a question, did u run the engine to redline or u let it shift when the tranny wanted. cuz the redlines at 6600rpms and if u didnt run it that high i think there is still more power under ur hood thats not measured on paper. just curious, but pretty damn good #'s man.
06-23-2002, 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by 2K1HoMax
ok hold on a sec man, u lost me here i think its s typo or something or atleast i hope it is.
ok hold on a sec man, u lost me here i think its s typo or something or atleast i hope it is.
06-23-2002, 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by CalsonicSE
I don't think it's a typo. In the original post, he said "needless to say, I am back to stock for now.."
I don't think it's a typo. In the original post, he said "needless to say, I am back to stock for now.."
06-23-2002, 05:21 PM
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Yeah seriously. I would make sure that all your connections are solid with the Berk, especially the rubber gaskets. It's kind of a PITA to put those things back correctly, but better that than to lose airflow. EMax is right on about the air leak, I think that's probably what happened. Either that or you didn't shift at the right points. Silly autotragic, Trix are for kids!
06-23-2002, 10:24 PM
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No, the numbers are not a typo. (FrankenSteve, enter smiley here. 
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The testing on the Berk was done first. I know there wasn't an air leak, the intake had been on for some time (and I am mechanically inclined). Everything was tight as could be.
As far as the testing, I didn't administer it. The techs at the shop were in the car. I watched the monitors and they went right to 6500 (on the PC, not the car tach). Sure it could've revved higher, but the HP curves were dropping off after 5800 (but just barely).
How much different is the Frank than the Berk, a mid-pipe? It's not like it's a true CAI. Let's think reasonably here. Could that resonator box that the mid-pipe replaces be that much of a culprit?
Stay tuned...literally.
)The testing on the Berk was done first. I know there wasn't an air leak, the intake had been on for some time (and I am mechanically inclined). Everything was tight as could be.
As far as the testing, I didn't administer it. The techs at the shop were in the car. I watched the monitors and they went right to 6500 (on the PC, not the car tach). Sure it could've revved higher, but the HP curves were dropping off after 5800 (but just barely).
How much different is the Frank than the Berk, a mid-pipe? It's not like it's a true CAI. Let's think reasonably here. Could that resonator box that the mid-pipe replaces be that much of a culprit?
Stay tuned...literally.
06-23-2002, 10:38 PM
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the franken midpipe itsnt a cold air unit, but it give u more power then 1, a cold air unit give u more power in the lower rpms. but the pop style intake gives u more high end. the franken midpipe will give u approx gain of 3hp and 7lb-ft of torque at the wheels the ur current setup, plus a sound that ur gonna love.
06-24-2002, 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by 2K1HoMax
the franken midpipe will give u approx gain of 3hp and 7lb-ft of torque at
the franken midpipe will give u approx gain of 3hp and 7lb-ft of torque at
06-24-2002, 10:12 AM
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Where did you get these numbers from? I thought the berk was supposed to give you similar gains...I like seeing hard data from multiple people.
Where did you get these numbers from? I thought the berk was supposed to give you similar gains...I like seeing hard data from multiple people.
06-24-2002, 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by DrVolkl
Where did you get these numbers from? I thought the berk was supposed to give you similar gains...I like seeing hard data from multiple people.
Where did you get these numbers from? I thought the berk was supposed to give you similar gains...I like seeing hard data from multiple people.
06-24-2002, 02:44 PM
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Nice numbers Dave!!
Personally I dont think the middle section does anything except increases sound. The stock filter assembly is the biggest restriction on the intake. I dont know why you would see that kind of tq loss, except if there was a air leak somewhere. You said you installed it correctly so that can be ruled out.
Personally I dont think the middle section does anything except increases sound. The stock filter assembly is the biggest restriction on the intake. I dont know why you would see that kind of tq loss, except if there was a air leak somewhere. You said you installed it correctly so that can be ruled out.
06-24-2002, 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by 2K1HoMax
well....those are the gains its supposed to give over just a REG. stillen intake so i figures the berk isnt too diff from what the stillen one is other then the stillen having a bigger filter. but i read those #'s somewere that the frankencar gives that much more gains then the stillen POP intake alone. i dont know were the threads at or the page dont even remember if it was from a wed page or a thread so i cant link it. mybad, not tryin to stir things up.
well....those are the gains its supposed to give over just a REG. stillen intake so i figures the berk isnt too diff from what the stillen one is other then the stillen having a bigger filter. but i read those #'s somewere that the frankencar gives that much more gains then the stillen POP intake alone. i dont know were the threads at or the page dont even remember if it was from a wed page or a thread so i cant link it. mybad, not tryin to stir things up.
06-24-2002, 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by dmbmaxima88
ya based on stillen intake which has a venturi stack the TQ and HP differences arent quite as drastic but still there, 3hp and 7hp over a stillen and 4hp and 22tq over a berk according to dynos.
ya based on stillen intake which has a venturi stack the TQ and HP differences arent quite as drastic but still there, 3hp and 7hp over a stillen and 4hp and 22tq over a berk according to dynos.
06-24-2002, 03:10 PM
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I am willing to bet that most of those differences are based on the dynos and the engines. No 2 dynos will read the same and conditions can never be the same also, but SAE correction helps with that.
I am willing to bet that most of those differences are based on the dynos and the engines. No 2 dynos will read the same and conditions can never be the same also, but SAE correction helps with that.
EX: I gained 10hp and 5tq over stock with my intake back to back dynoes.
The starter of this thread Gained 6hp and LOST 17tq with the intake.
SO.......... I gained 4hp more and 22tq more then berk, right????
06-24-2002, 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by dmbmaxima88
i'm not basing them across dyno number im basing that on dynoes of stock to intakes on the same cars same day.
EX: I gained 10hp and 5tq over stock with my intake back to back dynoes.
The starter of this thread Gained 6hp and LOST 17tq with the intake.
SO.......... I gained 4hp more and 22tq more then berk, right????
i'm not basing them across dyno number im basing that on dynoes of stock to intakes on the same cars same day.
EX: I gained 10hp and 5tq over stock with my intake back to back dynoes.
The starter of this thread Gained 6hp and LOST 17tq with the intake.
SO.......... I gained 4hp more and 22tq more then berk, right????
06-24-2002, 03:30 PM
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Yeah I would chalk that dyno up to higher powers, and Steve just stay with the # over stock. Easier for us to remember, you're just confusing me with those other numbers. Or, it could be that I wanted so hard to believe that your 22 lbs was over stock :-) Can't wait for the midpipe. Tomorrow hopefully!
06-24-2002, 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by dmbmaxima88
22ftlbs of torque more with a frankencar based on my dynos.
22ftlbs of torque more with a frankencar based on my dynos.
EDIT: Ohh, over the BERK. I thought you were talking 22 over stock. That makes since since the berk actually lost like 11 pound feet, and your's gained 10 over stock.
Carry on
06-24-2002, 07:02 PM
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I ran twice. This was at APG Performance, just outside Chicago.
As far as the torque loss, I noticed a loss lower in the rpm range when I installed the intake, but I thought the HP increase more than made up for it.
I plan on making a few more dyno runs next month, to see any differences. Plus to try a few things out.
As far as the torque loss, I noticed a loss lower in the rpm range when I installed the intake, but I thought the HP increase more than made up for it.
I plan on making a few more dyno runs next month, to see any differences. Plus to try a few things out.
06-24-2002, 07:25 PM
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well all i can say is that ive had the berk, and at the low end torque dropped alot. with the stillen low-end torque picked up quite a bit over the normal berk intake. but now i think i got the best combo the frankencar mid-pipe along with the stillen intake which has the venturi stack the differences in TQ and HP over the stock setup is quite obvious. the butt dyno sez the low end torque got kicked up a good amount as well, pull at normal street driving say 2K-3K rpms is alot more then just the stillen setup, or the berk setup. this thing sound insane, andy was right i havent heard my speakers since i put this thing in. high end power seems to pull harder as well. but this is just a butt dyno. but thats good enough 4 me. peace
06-25-2002, 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by 2K1HoMax
well all i can say is that ive had the berk, and at the low end torque dropped alot. with the stillen low-end torque picked up quite a bit over the normal berk intake. but now i think i got the best combo the frankencar mid-pipe
well all i can say is that ive had the berk, and at the low end torque dropped alot. with the stillen low-end torque picked up quite a bit over the normal berk intake. but now i think i got the best combo the frankencar mid-pipe
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