Ok - I laughed at this initially, but need your opinions... my friends father swears that his 2001 Aurora (4.0) can take my Max. Given that I get a good launch, can I take him?

Aurora: 250Hp, 260lb/ft Tq, 3800lbs
Max: 255Hp, 246lb/ft Tq, 3200lbs + PR CAI

Thoughts? I'd hate to eat my words...

 

YOU HAVE A 6SPEED with 600 LESSlbs... "smoke him"

 

Did I mention that I weight 185, and this guy is well over 300???

 

You could weigh 500lbs and you would still that thing !

 

Just don't miss a gear and you will MURDER him!

 

you can start in 3rd and still beat him

 

Can we say annihilation? You've got the weight and HP advantage.

 

Get some cloves and smoke that ham.

 

And a little known *fact*

You have more torque at the crank than what Nissan has you believe

 

When I first got my 2002 6 speed I was following an Aurora. I wasn't pushing it, and he was getting away from me. Therefore I would say if you drive under 4000-4500 rpm, the Olds will beat you. To be competitive one would need to be around 5000 rpm.

 

Thats something the eerks me. people say my car only had 240ish torque, but going off of what people dyno, our cars have ~15more torque than horsepower. So 255hp and 270trq right?

 

I'd say probably in between at 265. (That's just my calculations from the % loss i get from the auto tranny)

 

My parents had a 2000 Aurora. That was the weakest feeling V8 I ever driven. Dang thing kept trying to overheat when I got into the higher rpm's too. Loved the interior though!

I think you can smoke him!

 

Torque does not follow the same 15% drivetrain loss as horsepower does. In fact, it is totally unrelated to the horsepower drivetrain loss. We could very easily dyno at 230 pound-feet of torque and only have 246 pound-feet at the crank.

Daniel

 

So i've heard.

What do you think could be the reason we have so much torque at the wheels? Not that it's a good comparison but it's the closest i can find - a CL-S has slightly lower tq #'s than us at the crank but it seems to follow the same % loss that we use for calculating HP@the wheels.

And looking at our own dyno's (maxima's) the TQ #'s are definitely higher than HP #'s. So would i be proper to presume that drivetrain loss for power overall is more biased towards HP?

To add, judging from 2k/2k1 dyno graphs - their torque is definitely lower than HP and seems to correlate well to what Nissan advertises it to be.

 

Just to back up this statement, my dyno (2k2, 6spd, stock) had a MAX HP of 208.4 for a 18% (255) loss, whereas the MAX TQ was 225.8 for a 8% (246) loss.