Having G6 Sticker Shock? - Maybe Not...
02-11-2003, 07:16 AM
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Having G6 Sticker Shock? - Maybe Not...
I know you guys are all sorta getting sticker shock on the leaked $28-34k MSRP for the new Maxima, but I realized something yesterday. Despite the higher prices, you are getting A LOT more car at the top-end, which you probably won't even be opting for.
I'll bet this "Elite" package that you can get now (which very few will probably opt for) adds a good $1-2k to the MSRP alone, which is most of the difference at the top end of the pricing. At the low-end, the "base" 3.5SE (28k MSRP, not official yet) still has a lot of standard equipment that a base 5th Gen SE doesn't have standard - it's all optional.
If you equip a 2003 Maxima SE with the same options that the 2004 Maxima SE comes with standard (including automagic), you arrive at about the same $28k MSRP for the 2003 Maxima as for the 2004 Maxima!
So all in all, there doesn't seem to be any significant changes in pricing for the new Maxima when comparing similarly equipped models. There's maybe a $500-1000 increase at most, depending on how exactly you're comparing. But one thing is clear, you simply cannot compare a $26k 2003 SE with nothing to a $28k 2004 SE which is well-equipped already, because the equipment levels are totally different. Also, 2003's are deeply discounted right now so that might be altering your perspective as well.
Now consider that Maxima's hardly ever go anywhere even close to MSRP (especially when butting heads against the G35) and I think the new Maxima is going to be just as affordable as before.
Of course, this is before official pricing is even out, so we'll see. But I think there is less to worry about than originally thought nonetheless.
I'll bet this "Elite" package that you can get now (which very few will probably opt for) adds a good $1-2k to the MSRP alone, which is most of the difference at the top end of the pricing. At the low-end, the "base" 3.5SE (28k MSRP, not official yet) still has a lot of standard equipment that a base 5th Gen SE doesn't have standard - it's all optional.
If you equip a 2003 Maxima SE with the same options that the 2004 Maxima SE comes with standard (including automagic), you arrive at about the same $28k MSRP for the 2003 Maxima as for the 2004 Maxima!
So all in all, there doesn't seem to be any significant changes in pricing for the new Maxima when comparing similarly equipped models. There's maybe a $500-1000 increase at most, depending on how exactly you're comparing. But one thing is clear, you simply cannot compare a $26k 2003 SE with nothing to a $28k 2004 SE which is well-equipped already, because the equipment levels are totally different. Also, 2003's are deeply discounted right now so that might be altering your perspective as well.
Now consider that Maxima's hardly ever go anywhere even close to MSRP (especially when butting heads against the G35) and I think the new Maxima is going to be just as affordable as before.
Of course, this is before official pricing is even out, so we'll see. But I think there is less to worry about than originally thought nonetheless.
02-11-2003, 10:22 AM
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You may be right.
I haven't priced out a 2003, but they are selling for invoice or less, and Nissan is using incentives to move them (has been for a while, now). In the beginning dealers will hold out and try to sell 2004's for close to list. But, this car will not be hot. It will quickly get a reputation for being a gussied-up Altima (a new phenomenon, BTW). Also it will suffer the Avalon and TL syndrome. What's that you ask?
The Camry and Accord arrive first, then a couple of years later, their upscale siblings arrive on the same new (now 2 year old) platform. So when the next Camry and Accord arrive on a new, improved and stiffer chassis, the Avalon and TL stick with the old one until their 4 or 5 year cycle is over. They are always using old technology. Since the 2002 Altima, the Maxima has been and will continue to be a step behind it's sister car.
According to Nissan at the NADA meeting, the Altima will get an all new interior in 2004... fully upgraded and improved to quell the criticism of those who see how cheap it is. But, the new Maxima was already in the pipeline, and it's cheap interior will carry on for at least a couple of years before it's upgraded. Same with exterior upgrades. Meanwhile the cheaper Altima is receiving the new stuff first, not the Maxima. I thought the flagship was supposed to be the trendsetter and NOT just the follower. Think about it, in 2006 the Altima will be redesigned and fresher. The Maxima will only be in it's 2nd year and just getting some minor tweaks. Back in the 80's and 90's, the Maxima was always a distinct car, and even when the Stanza or Altima would be all new, it could never be said that they offered more for less money than the flagship. They never surpassed the Maxima in the customer's eyes.
I mention all this because this will force Nissan to continue to discount Maximas heavily in the future, because the Altima will always have a leg up in freshness over the Maxima. Then how do you sell a car that costs alot more than it's sibling, but is an older design? INCENTIVES! That reduces resale values exponentially and previous owners continue to suffer. It's a vicious cycle. This could have all been avoided.
My opinion...Nissan should have gone to RWD/AWD from a stretched G35 platform (the Max USED to be RWD, you know) and this way no matter when the Altima was improved, it could NEVER be better than the flagship. There would be no comparisons. They would be two totally different animals.
It only makes sense.
The Camry and Accord arrive first, then a couple of years later, their upscale siblings arrive on the same new (now 2 year old) platform. So when the next Camry and Accord arrive on a new, improved and stiffer chassis, the Avalon and TL stick with the old one until their 4 or 5 year cycle is over. They are always using old technology. Since the 2002 Altima, the Maxima has been and will continue to be a step behind it's sister car.
According to Nissan at the NADA meeting, the Altima will get an all new interior in 2004... fully upgraded and improved to quell the criticism of those who see how cheap it is. But, the new Maxima was already in the pipeline, and it's cheap interior will carry on for at least a couple of years before it's upgraded. Same with exterior upgrades. Meanwhile the cheaper Altima is receiving the new stuff first, not the Maxima. I thought the flagship was supposed to be the trendsetter and NOT just the follower. Think about it, in 2006 the Altima will be redesigned and fresher. The Maxima will only be in it's 2nd year and just getting some minor tweaks. Back in the 80's and 90's, the Maxima was always a distinct car, and even when the Stanza or Altima would be all new, it could never be said that they offered more for less money than the flagship. They never surpassed the Maxima in the customer's eyes.
I mention all this because this will force Nissan to continue to discount Maximas heavily in the future, because the Altima will always have a leg up in freshness over the Maxima. Then how do you sell a car that costs alot more than it's sibling, but is an older design? INCENTIVES! That reduces resale values exponentially and previous owners continue to suffer. It's a vicious cycle. This could have all been avoided.
My opinion...Nissan should have gone to RWD/AWD from a stretched G35 platform (the Max USED to be RWD, you know) and this way no matter when the Altima was improved, it could NEVER be better than the flagship. There would be no comparisons. They would be two totally different animals.
It only makes sense.
02-11-2003, 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by sammax89
I haven't priced out a 2003, but they are selling for invoice or less, and Nissan is using incentives to move them (has been for a while, now). In the beginning dealers will hold out and try to sell 2004's for close to list. But, this car will not be hot. It will quickly get a reputation for being a gussied-up Altima (a new phenomenon, BTW). Also it will suffer the Avalon and TL syndrome. What's that you ask?
The Camry and Accord arrive first, then a couple of years later, their upscale siblings arrive on the same new (now 2 year old) platform. So when the next Camry and Accord arrive on a new, improved and stiffer chassis, the Avalon and TL stick with the old one until their 4 or 5 year cycle is over. They are always using old technology. Since the 2002 Altima, the Maxima has been and will continue to be a step behind it's sister car.
According to Nissan at the NADA meeting, the Altima will get an all new interior in 2004... fully upgraded and improved to quell the criticism of those who see how cheap it is. But, the new Maxima was already in the pipeline, and it's cheap interior will carry on for at least a couple of years before it's upgraded. Same with exterior upgrades. Meanwhile the cheaper Altima is receiving the new stuff first, not the Maxima. I thought the flagship was supposed to be the trendsetter and NOT just the follower. Think about it, in 2006 the Altima will be redesigned and fresher. The Maxima will only be in it's 2nd year and just getting some minor tweaks. Back in the 80's and 90's, the Maxima was always a distinct car, and even when the Stanza or Altima would be all new, it could never be said that they offered more for less money than the flagship. They never surpassed the Maxima in the customer's eyes.
I mention all this because this will force Nissan to continue to discount Maximas heavily in the future, because the Altima will always have a leg up in freshness over the Maxima. Then how do you sell a car that costs alot more than it's sibling, but is an older design? INCENTIVES! That reduces resale values exponentially and previous owners continue to suffer. It's a vicious cycle. This could have all been avoided.
My opinion...Nissan should have gone to RWD/AWD from a stretched G35 platform (the Max USED to be RWD, you know) and this way no matter when the Altima was improved, it could NEVER be better than the flagship. There would be no comparisons. They would be two totally different animals.
It only makes sense.
I haven't priced out a 2003, but they are selling for invoice or less, and Nissan is using incentives to move them (has been for a while, now). In the beginning dealers will hold out and try to sell 2004's for close to list. But, this car will not be hot. It will quickly get a reputation for being a gussied-up Altima (a new phenomenon, BTW). Also it will suffer the Avalon and TL syndrome. What's that you ask?
The Camry and Accord arrive first, then a couple of years later, their upscale siblings arrive on the same new (now 2 year old) platform. So when the next Camry and Accord arrive on a new, improved and stiffer chassis, the Avalon and TL stick with the old one until their 4 or 5 year cycle is over. They are always using old technology. Since the 2002 Altima, the Maxima has been and will continue to be a step behind it's sister car.
According to Nissan at the NADA meeting, the Altima will get an all new interior in 2004... fully upgraded and improved to quell the criticism of those who see how cheap it is. But, the new Maxima was already in the pipeline, and it's cheap interior will carry on for at least a couple of years before it's upgraded. Same with exterior upgrades. Meanwhile the cheaper Altima is receiving the new stuff first, not the Maxima. I thought the flagship was supposed to be the trendsetter and NOT just the follower. Think about it, in 2006 the Altima will be redesigned and fresher. The Maxima will only be in it's 2nd year and just getting some minor tweaks. Back in the 80's and 90's, the Maxima was always a distinct car, and even when the Stanza or Altima would be all new, it could never be said that they offered more for less money than the flagship. They never surpassed the Maxima in the customer's eyes.
I mention all this because this will force Nissan to continue to discount Maximas heavily in the future, because the Altima will always have a leg up in freshness over the Maxima. Then how do you sell a car that costs alot more than it's sibling, but is an older design? INCENTIVES! That reduces resale values exponentially and previous owners continue to suffer. It's a vicious cycle. This could have all been avoided.
My opinion...Nissan should have gone to RWD/AWD from a stretched G35 platform (the Max USED to be RWD, you know) and this way no matter when the Altima was improved, it could NEVER be better than the flagship. There would be no comparisons. They would be two totally different animals.
It only makes sense.
It really bugs me how they made the 04 Max look so much like the altima. What's the point 
Oh well i'm glad i got in my 2nd maxima before they made it the red-headed stepchild of the bunch.
02-11-2003, 11:10 AM
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Re: You may be right.
Originally posted by sammax89
According to Nissan at the NADA meeting, the Altima will get an all new interior in 2004... fully upgraded and improved to quell the criticism of those who see how cheap it is.
According to Nissan at the NADA meeting, the Altima will get an all new interior in 2004... fully upgraded and improved to quell the criticism of those who see how cheap it is.
Well that's good news. The one thing that kept me out of that car when buying a car last year was the cheesy interior. As much as I loved the power, I couldn't bear paying that much just to get a playskool interior, so I went with a 99 Max instead. Hmmm....an Alty with a massively upgraded interior would be sweet. May put it back in the running for me.
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Originally posted by sammax89
But, the new Maxima was already in the pipeline, and it's cheap interior will carry on for at least a couple of years before it's upgraded.
But, the new Maxima was already in the pipeline, and it's cheap interior will carry on for at least a couple of years before it's upgraded.
Originally posted by sammax89
Same with exterior upgrades. Meanwhile the cheaper Altima is receiving the new stuff first, not the Maxima. I thought the flagship was supposed to be the trendsetter and NOT just the follower.
Same with exterior upgrades. Meanwhile the cheaper Altima is receiving the new stuff first, not the Maxima. I thought the flagship was supposed to be the trendsetter and NOT just the follower.
The general market will determine the respective values of each car. It's no surprise that a TL-S is an upgraded Accord, but people still pay more for it because it *is* a nicer car. Same thing with the Maxima and Altima. If Nissan makes the mistake of keeping the Altima too close to the Maxima then that's their mistake and Maxima prices will suffer. The body lines are similar between the Max/Alty, but it's the same on the Accord/TL.
I think the Maxima is distinguishing enough that it'll be pretty easy to pickout from an Altima
02-11-2003, 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by zoggfatha
:werd : It really bugs me how they made the 04 Max look so much like the altima. What's the point :gotme : Oh well i'm glad i got in my 2nd maxima before they made it the red-headed stepchild of the bunch.
:werd : It really bugs me how they made the 04 Max look so much like the altima. What's the point :gotme : Oh well i'm glad i got in my 2nd maxima before they made it the red-headed stepchild of the bunch.
I'm pretty sure that the Infiniti I35 (Maxima clone) is going
so that allows the Maxima to move more upmarket without the overlap there was before. True that Nissan has a crowded product lineup in these price ranges, but I think the Maxima still has a place.You can't get NAV on the Altima.
You can't get cornering lights on the Altima.
6MT vs 5MT
5AT vs 4AT
18" rims vs 17"
You could make a pretty good list...
Toyota has the Avalon (upgraded Camry)
Nissan has the Maxima (upgraded Altima)
Honda has the (
)I wish Honda would build a more upscale car than the Accord, but they're more "brand-focused" and are very **** about their Honda's not treading on the heels of their Acura's. Nissan isn't **** like this, but then again they don't make you pay much more to get more like Honda does with Acura
02-11-2003, 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
What's the point?
I'm pretty sure that the Infiniti I35 (Maxima clone) is going so that allows the Maxima to move more upmarket without the overlap there was before. True that Nissan has a crowded product lineup in these price ranges, but I think the Maxima still has a place.
You can't get NAV on the Altima.
You can't get cornering lights on the Altima.
6MT vs 5MT
5AT vs 4AT
18" rims vs 17"
You could make a pretty good list...
What's the point?
I'm pretty sure that the Infiniti I35 (Maxima clone) is going
so that allows the Maxima to move more upmarket without the overlap there was before. True that Nissan has a crowded product lineup in these price ranges, but I think the Maxima still has a place.You can't get NAV on the Altima.
You can't get cornering lights on the Altima.
6MT vs 5MT
5AT vs 4AT
18" rims vs 17"
You could make a pretty good list...
All you list above can be easily thrown on the Altima, with the NAV system being the only thing requiring a significant re-tooling of parts (and even that is questionable).
My R&D money would go into building a QUALITY Altima, as it's clear the interior and build quality were WAY down on the list of priorities for the new Altima.
For my 32+k, give me a RWD G35 and a 4yr/60k warranty and actual dealer service by Infiniti.
I think the 6th gen is an embarrassment to the history of Maximas.
02-11-2003, 11:52 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: You may be right.
Originally posted by bill99gxe
I think the 6th gen is an embarrassment to the history of Maximas.
I think the 6th gen is an embarrassment to the history of Maximas.
Do you already consider the 04 a Minima?
I am still very pleased with my 99 Minima
02-11-2003, 12:06 PM
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also....
You'll actually pay $32k for a $32k Infinti.
I bet you'll still be well below the $30k mark on a $32k Maxima, though.
But what you say is true. There is no real need for the Maxima anymore with your point of view. Maybe they ought to revert the Maxima back to just a trim-level of another car - the Altima
It started as a trim-level, so maybe it ought to die as a trim-level, too?
Originally posted by bill99gxe
For my 32+k, give me a RWD G35 and a 4yr/60k warranty and actual dealer service by Infiniti.
For my 32+k, give me a RWD G35 and a 4yr/60k warranty and actual dealer service by Infiniti.
I bet you'll still be well below the $30k mark on a $32k Maxima, though.
But what you say is true. There is no real need for the Maxima anymore with your point of view. Maybe they ought to revert the Maxima back to just a trim-level of another car - the Altima
It started as a trim-level, so maybe it ought to die as a trim-level, too?
02-11-2003, 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
But Bill, you think nearly every Maxima from 1995 up is an embarrassment to the history of Maxima's
Do you already consider the 04 a Minima?
I am still very pleased with my 99 Minima
But Bill, you think nearly every Maxima from 1995 up is an embarrassment to the history of Maxima's
Do you already consider the 04 a Minima?
I am still very pleased with my 99 Minima
I think the 4th gen was embarrassing, but the VQ introduction was its "innovative" introduction, so the 4th gens are given a pass.
The 5th gen and ups I consider an embarrassment, as it was Nissan trying to re-kindle the 3rd gen "stigma" and falling flat on its face.
So it's not until 2000 that I consider Maximas a joke and a slap in the face to its history. The 6th gen does nothing but further augment and solidify my contentions. Except for a weirdass sunroof, there isn't anything at all unique or new.
02-11-2003, 12:45 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You may be right.
Originally posted by bill99gxe
I think the 4th gen was embarrassing, but the VQ introduction was its "innovative" introduction, so the 4th gens are given a pass.
I think the 4th gen was embarrassing, but the VQ introduction was its "innovative" introduction, so the 4th gens are given a pass.
Originally posted by bill99gxe
The 5th gen and ups I consider an embarrassment, as it was Nissan trying to re-kindle the 3rd gen "stigma" and falling flat on its face.
The 5th gen and ups I consider an embarrassment, as it was Nissan trying to re-kindle the 3rd gen "stigma" and falling flat on its face.
Originally posted by bill99gxe
So it's not until 2000 that I consider Maximas a joke and a slap in the face to its history. The 6th gen does nothing but further augment and solidify my contentions. Except for a weirdass sunroof, there isn't anything at all unique or new.
So it's not until 2000 that I consider Maximas a joke and a slap in the face to its history. The 6th gen does nothing but further augment and solidify my contentions. Except for a weirdass sunroof, there isn't anything at all unique or new.
I think you just can't get over your 3rd gen :-D. If Maxima's had continued on the evolutionary/innovative path since the 3rd Gen's, the Gen6's would be sprouting wings and flying by now
But innovation in Japanese vehicles has gone the same direction as Japan's economy since their bubble burst. The late-80's/early-90's wee some real happening times for Japanese cars, but all good things come to an end. I think slow and steady improvements are the name of the game now, and in that respect, I don't see the Gen6 as a "failure".
02-11-2003, 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by F23A4
How about just discontinuing the Maxima and making the Altima (with its upgraded interior) the flagship of Nissan?!?
How about just discontinuing the Maxima and making the Altima (with its upgraded interior) the flagship of Nissan?!?
Altima 2.5
Altima 2.5S
Altima 2.5SL
Altima 3.5SE
Altima 3.5 Maxima
That would confuse the crap out of consumers though
It makes sense, but I think Nissan has too many loyal Maxima buyers that they're looking out for to demote it back to just a trim level of another car - how it started out.
02-11-2003, 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
Maybe the 00-01's, but I think the 02-03's are redemption. The 02 Maxima was one of the first to offer NAV, and it also has class-leading power among other things. An entry-luxury car without the badge and without the price, but also without the service
Innovation has a price, and the price is very high. Honda used to introduce all of their new technologies on the Prelude, but the car was discontinued because the price was too high and it could no longer compete.
I think you just can't get over your 3rd gen :-D. If Maxima's had continued on the evolutionary/innovative path since the 3rd Gen's, the Gen6's would be sprouting wings and flying by now
But innovation in Japanese vehicles has gone the same direction as Japan's economy since their bubble burst. The late-80's/early-90's wee some real happening times for Japanese cars, but all good things come to an end. I think slow and steady improvements are the name of the game now, and in that respect, I don't see the Gen6 as a "failure".
Maybe the 00-01's, but I think the 02-03's are redemption. The 02 Maxima was one of the first to offer NAV, and it also has class-leading power among other things. An entry-luxury car without the badge and without the price, but also without the service
Innovation has a price, and the price is very high. Honda used to introduce all of their new technologies on the Prelude, but the car was discontinued because the price was too high and it could no longer compete.
I think you just can't get over your 3rd gen :-D. If Maxima's had continued on the evolutionary/innovative path since the 3rd Gen's, the Gen6's would be sprouting wings and flying by now
But innovation in Japanese vehicles has gone the same direction as Japan's economy since their bubble burst. The late-80's/early-90's wee some real happening times for Japanese cars, but all good things come to an end. I think slow and steady improvements are the name of the game now, and in that respect, I don't see the Gen6 as a "failure".
02-12-2003, 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by F23A4
How about just discontinuing the Maxima and making the Altima (with its upgraded interior) the flagship of Nissan?!?
How about just discontinuing the Maxima and making the Altima (with its upgraded interior) the flagship of Nissan?!?
I hope Nissan doesn't disgrace the 4DSC symbol of the 3rd gens by putting it on the 6th gen.
The only thing I find valuable in the 6th gen is the VQ 3.5 and IRS but the rest of the car is a big blah. Push the 04 over and let the 02 Altimas do the job. AWD Infiniti looks very promising. Can we say Skyline in the Infiniti family?!
02-13-2003, 12:02 PM
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I honestly have the feeling that Nissan is aiming the 6G Maxima at the above-40 crowd. So I think the opinion of a 30-something like me wouldn't matter much to Nissan, regarding the Maxima.
I honestly have the feeling that Nissan is aiming the 6G Maxima at the above-40 crowd. So I think the opinion of a 30-something like me wouldn't matter much to Nissan, regarding the Maxima.
02-13-2003, 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Mr. Nismo
Very good point. Nissan has always targeted the Maxima to a middle aged person 45 or so. Instead all the young kids bought the Maxima and they have done very well with it in terms of modifications and making it to what it is now. Popular.
Very good point. Nissan has always targeted the Maxima to a middle aged person 45 or so. Instead all the young kids bought the Maxima and they have done very well with it in terms of modifications and making it to what it is now. Popular.
Originally posted by Mr. Nismo
As for the 6th gen, Nissan made sure there was no way the young ones would buy into it. Atleast the majority.
As for the 6th gen, Nissan made sure there was no way the young ones would buy into it. Atleast the majority.
package is clearly marketed to the 40/50+ people with kids out of the house, but very few Max's will likely ship with that. I'm a "young professional" (25) and I could see myself buying a 6th Gen. Of course, I'm a really big guy, so I like to have room for myself and space for others too when we all go out to lunch here at work In your view, what kind of cars do you think are popular with the "young ones"?
02-13-2003, 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
In your view, what kind of cars do you think are popular with the "young ones"?
In your view, what kind of cars do you think are popular with the "young ones"?
- Acura TSX (will be)
- Accord Coupe
- Altima V6
- Passat V6/1.8T
- IS300
- Acura TL
- BMW 3 series
- Infiniti G35 coupe/sedan
just to name a few
NOTE: I'm defining younger people as those between the ages of 25-35, not those under 25 (i.e.: the Civic/RSX/Celica crowd)
02-13-2003, 04:32 PM
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In your view, what kind of cars do you think are popular with the "young ones"?
In your view, what kind of cars do you think are popular with the "young ones"?
I'm in Cali so Benzes, Audis, BMWs are very popular out here. And ofcourse, lots of sun equals lots of convertibles.I can't see how the 6th gen Max will comepete with Civics, Integras, CLs, BMWs, Audis, G35s etc.? It's like paying baseball with a Volleyball.
02-14-2003, 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by Mr. Nismo
I can't see how the 6th gen Max will comepete with Civics, Integras
I can't see how the 6th gen Max will comepete with Civics, Integras
Originally posted by Mr. Nismo
, CLs,
, CLs,
Originally posted by Mr. Nismo
BMWs, Audis
BMWs, Audis
Originally posted by Mr. Nismo
G35s etc.?
G35s etc.?
Originally posted by Mr. Nismo
It's like paying baseball with a Volleyball.
It's like paying baseball with a Volleyball.
02-15-2003, 05:11 AM
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Originally posted by Mr. Nismo
I guess you're impressed by the 6th gen cause it has more room?
I guess you're impressed by the 6th gen cause it has more room?
My dream car/sedan is a BMW 540i/M5 6spd. But since those cost nearly DOUBLE, and the M5 is just a pipe dream at this point, a Maxima for half the price will do just fine
02-15-2003, 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
My dream car/sedan is a BMW 540i/M5 6spd. But since those cost nearly DOUBLE, and the M5 is just a pipe dream at this point, a Maxima for half the price will do just fine
My dream car/sedan is a BMW 540i/M5 6spd. But since those cost nearly DOUBLE, and the M5 is just a pipe dream at this point, a Maxima for half the price will do just fine
02-25-2003, 08:39 AM
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Nissan would be crazy to get rid of the Maxima name - it is a well established trade name that has a VERY GOOD impression associated with it. The altima, on the other hand. . . . (you know what I mean).
As for the 2k/2k1s being an embarassment - that's just plain silly. I own a 4th gen and a 5th gen. I feel the 5th has a better interior and is more ergonomic (both have Bose and leather). The styling cues both leave a lot to be desired - but the more aggressive profile of the 5th gen (for me) makes up for the front (which I dislike the most) and the rear (which has grown on me). As a whole, I can't say that I dislike the styling of the 5th any more than the 4th.
I would own either right now but if looking for a used Maxima as a daily driver I would buy the 5th gen - even though I can do most maintenance on both myself.
The cars both excel at their niche - mid-level sedan with more power than the competition for less money and an available 5spd. Like the looks or not - they also are not so boring as the accord and the camry.
I think the Maxima is being positioned upstream - but not certain that my (or my wife's) next car will be the new Maxima.
Nissan would be crazy to get rid of the Maxima name - it is a well established trade name that has a VERY GOOD impression associated with it. The altima, on the other hand. . . . (you know what I mean).
As for the 2k/2k1s being an embarassment - that's just plain silly. I own a 4th gen and a 5th gen. I feel the 5th has a better interior and is more ergonomic (both have Bose and leather). The styling cues both leave a lot to be desired - but the more aggressive profile of the 5th gen (for me) makes up for the front (which I dislike the most) and the rear (which has grown on me). As a whole, I can't say that I dislike the styling of the 5th any more than the 4th.
I would own either right now but if looking for a used Maxima as a daily driver I would buy the 5th gen - even though I can do most maintenance on both myself.
The cars both excel at their niche - mid-level sedan with more power than the competition for less money and an available 5spd. Like the looks or not - they also are not so boring as the accord and the camry.
I think the Maxima is being positioned upstream - but not certain that my (or my wife's) next car will be the new Maxima.
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