Altima Start button install
10-06-2007 | 09:38 PM
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Altima Start button install
I found this thread on a 350Z forum:
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.p...ot%3B+14+3%2F8
Here is a thread from when someone installed a Honda S2000 Start/stop button
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220742
And a video of it working:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...09615539395577
I am reading through it but I like the idea. Any thoughts?
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.p...ot%3B+14+3%2F8
Here is a thread from when someone installed a Honda S2000 Start/stop button
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220742
And a video of it working:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...09615539395577
I am reading through it but I like the idea. Any thoughts?
Last edited by DeusExMaxima; 10-06-2007 at 09:56 PM.
10-06-2007 | 11:55 PM
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Well, you're putting the key in the ignition might as well turn it, right? The extra step is having to reach down and push the button. Just my opinion. If anything, I think it would look better somewhere near the ignition than down by the shifter if that's possible.
10-07-2007 | 09:21 AM
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10-07-2007 | 09:27 AM
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You could probably get a RFID receiver and somehow connect that to the harness, to start the car that way.
The sensor that picks up our stock chipped key, where is it located? Is the whole system right in the ignition column, or is it just a relay sensor that is controlled by the ECU? If it's in the ignition column, you could probably just replace it with the altima's ignition system. But if it's in any way connected to the ECU, I don't know how you could do it
The sensor that picks up our stock chipped key, where is it located? Is the whole system right in the ignition column, or is it just a relay sensor that is controlled by the ECU? If it's in the ignition column, you could probably just replace it with the altima's ignition system. But if it's in any way connected to the ECU, I don't know how you could do it
10-07-2007 | 12:34 PM
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Dear Deus,
I like this idea and had this installed on my IS300. It's not hard to do, the shop did it in about 3 hrs. I also had to insert the key. BUT, trust me - it is much, much cooler to look at. I would get more compliments on that and my halo's than anything else I did to the car.
However, it would even be MORE cool if you could fabricate the entire Intellikey system from an Altima to the Maxima. Absolutely no one has done it yet, and I would really enjoy being able to get in and hit the start button without putting a key in at all. The door locks would be a whole other issue and probably a lot more work (you'd have to port over Altima door handles and the entire mechanical system in the doors). But you could probably do it with the start button.
I'm guessing you'd knew a new key fob as well.
Joshua
I like this idea and had this installed on my IS300. It's not hard to do, the shop did it in about 3 hrs. I also had to insert the key. BUT, trust me - it is much, much cooler to look at. I would get more compliments on that and my halo's than anything else I did to the car.
However, it would even be MORE cool if you could fabricate the entire Intellikey system from an Altima to the Maxima. Absolutely no one has done it yet, and I would really enjoy being able to get in and hit the start button without putting a key in at all. The door locks would be a whole other issue and probably a lot more work (you'd have to port over Altima door handles and the entire mechanical system in the doors). But you could probably do it with the start button.
I'm guessing you'd knew a new key fob as well.
Joshua
10-07-2007 | 01:54 PM
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Another thread on my350z.com. This product looks like its nearing production.
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296176
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296176
10-07-2007 | 02:17 PM
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Dear Deus,
I like this idea and had this installed on my IS300. It's not hard to do, the shop did it in about 3 hrs. I also had to insert the key. BUT, trust me - it is much, much cooler to look at. I would get more compliments on that and my halo's than anything else I did to the car.
However, it would even be MORE cool if you could fabricate the entire Intellikey system from an Altima to the Maxima. Absolutely no one has done it yet, and I would really enjoy being able to get in and hit the start button without putting a key in at all. The door locks would be a whole other issue and probably a lot more work (you'd have to port over Altima door handles and the entire mechanical system in the doors). But you could probably do it with the start button.
I'm guessing you'd knew a new key fob as well.
Joshua
I like this idea and had this installed on my IS300. It's not hard to do, the shop did it in about 3 hrs. I also had to insert the key. BUT, trust me - it is much, much cooler to look at. I would get more compliments on that and my halo's than anything else I did to the car.
However, it would even be MORE cool if you could fabricate the entire Intellikey system from an Altima to the Maxima. Absolutely no one has done it yet, and I would really enjoy being able to get in and hit the start button without putting a key in at all. The door locks would be a whole other issue and probably a lot more work (you'd have to port over Altima door handles and the entire mechanical system in the doors). But you could probably do it with the start button.
I'm guessing you'd knew a new key fob as well.
Joshua
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10-07-2007 | 02:23 PM
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Its not another step - its a different step. Instead of twisting the key to start, you push the START button. Its like any visual mod. Why do I NEED a differnt shift **** when the OEM one is perfectly fine? Because the new one looks much better. Why did I get new rims when my stock rims look great? Because I like them better and they change the look of the car. Well this push start is the same thing. It looks pretty darn cool and that why lots of people are retrofitting them to cars.
10-07-2007 | 02:31 PM
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In most cars w/ intelligent keys, they use two steps button. Push one time for accessories power, second time for ignition. And at either point, if you step on the brake pedal, the engine will start. To stop, you push the button once to turn engine off, second time to turn accessries off. This can be done if the ECU can somehow detect the signal in the key, and a few relays; similar to auto start on alarm systems.
10-07-2007 | 02:31 PM
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With this style of mod you technically arn't adding an additional step to starting the car, as the car can still be started with the key. For normal driving you can use the key, but when you want to impress all your friends you can push the button.
10-07-2007 | 02:34 PM
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anyway... dues ... Do it man.. just another first for us 6th gen maxima fans (2004-2006) Where do u plan on installing it?? location wise.. ?
10-07-2007 | 03:03 PM
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Painting your calipers;
Adding a "Nissan" sticker to aforementioned calipers;
Adding headlight eyelids;
Adding a spoiler (unless you plan to be driving over 140 MPH
)Adding a roof spoiler;
Tinting your lights;
Tinting your corner lights;
Doing any LED additions;
ETC on any visual mods.
And, this does not cost a couple hundred dollars. I can promise you that.
This is not pointless at all, I personally think this is one of the best visual mods out there (besides my personal favorite: the demon eye) and it does not mean you have to use the button at all (as Captain Obvious stated).
Thanks for listening.
Joshua
10-07-2007 | 03:12 PM
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Another thread on my350z.com. This product looks like its nearing production.
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296176
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296176
After reading this, I would recommend that you wait for this system rather than using an S2000 button like I had on my IS. While it is practical, this system utilizes an LED readout on the Altima button which tells you more about what's going on (and looks cooler than the S2000 button).
For those of you who are lazy, here is what this is:
Originally Posted by my350z.com
What we have here is the developmental KPtechnologies 'Stage 2' Push Button Start system. This Stage 2 module still requires the use of the OEM key and transponder (Stage 3 is completely stand alone and is still in the engineering phase).
The module is centered around a 'smart' control module that has a dedicated 20mhz central processor. The processor monitors various inputs and controls all the outputs that allow this module to seamlessly integrate with the vehicles ignition system.
Through the push button, not only can the driver START the car, they can also STOP the car. Various LEDs on the button provide constant feedback as to the status of the system (LOCK, ACC, ON).
The module also contains a sophisticated 'self program' feature that automatically programs the module for the specific installation at hand. Programmable features include internal or external "LOCK" LED triggering and the ability to turn tachometer monitoring on or off. The LOCK LED can flash with the OEM LED if desired, or can be flashed by the internal processor. The tachometer 'on' mode is nice because it prevents the starter from cranking if the motor is running (a nice safety feature).
The development of this module is about 90% complete and it is ready to be installed in a test vehicle for further evaluation. All features listed above are currently working, with the exception of the tachometer monitoring (the hardware is working, but the control routines still need to be developed). We hope to send the first field units out to our testers in Early September.
The target price for the Stage 2 module is ~$150 for all the parts to install it (module plus 2-3 relays). We are hoping to release the product to the public before the end of the calendar year.
Besides this Push Button start module, KPtechnologies offers a wide range of custom electronic products. All of our products are engineered and manufactured in-house in the USA.
Please check out www.KPtechnologies.com for more information about OEM window up modules, VDC/TCS memory modules, auto lock modules, Navi OK bypass modules, Electronic Beep modules, Mirror Tilt modules, etc.
At this stage of the development we would love some feedback, thank you!
I will be installing this.
Joshua
10-07-2007 | 03:43 PM
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I wouldnt mind waiting for Stage 3. I would do the install as well. I just dont wanna wait til next summer or something. I get nervous when there is significant invasiveness, such as the Stage 3 system, even if you do get keyless starting. Stage 2 is minimally invasive and gets the job done and allows the driver the option of starting with key or using start button. Lets see how fast this project goes. I'd like to keep an eye on it and if KPierson can keep us posted here in maxima.org, that would be great!
10-07-2007 | 03:45 PM
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In most cars w/ intelligent keys, they use two steps button. Push one time for accessories power, second time for ignition. And at either point, if you step on the brake pedal, the engine will start. To stop, you push the button once to turn engine off, second time to turn accessries off. This can be done if the ECU can somehow detect the signal in the key, and a few relays; similar to auto start on alarm systems.
10-07-2007 | 03:57 PM
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10-07-2007 | 04:12 PM
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10-07-2007 | 04:21 PM
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10-07-2007 | 05:40 PM
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10-07-2007 | 05:52 PM
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I never said it was or wasn't difficult to remove the mechanical lock, I am simply stated that it needs to be done to be able to drive the car without inserting a key.
The difficulty of getting around the mechanical lock will depend on the car at hand, and how you want to bypass it (temporary/permanent).
The difficulty of getting around the mechanical lock will depend on the car at hand, and how you want to bypass it (temporary/permanent).
10-07-2007 | 06:21 PM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...09615539395577
Kevin, I am glad you jumped in here and provided feedback. I appreciate all your work on this and hopefully this product can come to fruition in the 6th Gen Maxima and other cars.
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10-07-2007 | 06:26 PM
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I was just thinking, what does the Altima have in place of the ignition switch? I imagine it doesnt have the wheel lock, right? Perhaps whatever is in the Altima could be retrofitted to our car, since there are a lot of parts that we share in common with with the Altima; or even teh entire ignition system? Any thoughts here?
10-07-2007 | 06:38 PM
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I was just thinking, what does the Altima have in place of the ignition switch? I imagine it doesnt have the wheel lock, right? Perhaps whatever is in the Altima could be retrofitted to our car, since there are a lot of parts that we share in common with with the Altima; or even teh entire ignition system? Any thoughts here?
10-07-2007 | 06:44 PM
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Who shat in your milk bowl this morning? Go play with your level 10 merlin dwarf or something.....
10-07-2007 | 06:52 PM
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The button pictured above is what the Altima has in place of an ignition switch. It is a Start/Stop button with 3 LEDs. If the car senses that the key is in the ignition, and the brake is pushed down you can push the button to start the car.
With the complexity of CAN based electronics it isn't very feasable to take a control unit from one car and put it in another, without replacing ever component on the CAN bus. On todays Nissans that would be just about any device with wires going to it.
The 'mechanical' wheel lock is most likely controlled electronically (solenoid or actuator). This is just a guess, I have no first hand knowledge of how they lock the wheel.
With the complexity of CAN based electronics it isn't very feasable to take a control unit from one car and put it in another, without replacing ever component on the CAN bus. On todays Nissans that would be just about any device with wires going to it.
The 'mechanical' wheel lock is most likely controlled electronically (solenoid or actuator). This is just a guess, I have no first hand knowledge of how they lock the wheel.
