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Old 03-14-2011 | 11:47 AM
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I'm not gonna totally disagree with you, things like that happens most of the time. Not going to deny that at all.......
Old 03-14-2011 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MadMax07SL
I've never ridiculed anyone. I suggested that it's rare to expect integrity in the world of automotive resale...period.

I think it's great that many of you on here believe in full disclosure. I commend you for it. But in the end, this isn't a right or wrong issue. It's a poorly maintained motor that still runs, just smokes a lot. If he were to trade it in and it "Not smoke" due to additives, hey, that's great for him, and the law of the jungle. You walk into any dealership on the planet, and that's the law...there are no "integrity rich" car salesmen, they're all concerned with the bottom line, and you're piece of mind is not on their radar. They will lowball you on your trade, and raise the price higher then ever necessary on the sale car, and try to make you feel like a king the whole time. They will then take the car, auction it off, and it will enter the world of uncertainty, as another dealership get's the car, and mikeymouses anything they can to get it to run clean for a sale...oh, and mark it up astronomically as well...
O.K., you didn't directly ridicule anyone. You did seem to suggest that since the world of autmotive resale is a jungle (which it mostly is), who cares if you play by its rules (which essentially amount to as much dishonesty as one can get away with). My personal objection (and perhaps that of some of the other posters) is that you were advocating that this unfortunate owner could try to conceal the sludge problem so that he could unload it without paying any financial penalty for his neglect. The larger question for me is, what kind of world would we like to live in, and for our children etc. to live in? When I go to my dentist or doctor or plumber, I have to trust them to know what they are doing. The same goes for all kinds of transactions: we need to be able to trust other people. If we are personally dishonest/untrustworthy, we are contributing to this world's being a worse place to live in, because it makes people more mistrustful, suspicious, anxious, etc. If you wouldn't sell this damaged car to a friend or family member, you shouldn't sell it to a complete stranger, either. Why? Because you have subtracted from the trust people have in each other, and thereby weakened the quality of human life. Look, I don't mean to lecture, but I feel strongly about this. When I bought my first car, the used car salesman told me that the rust streak on the engine block was caused by "condensation off the dipstick" (which ran parallel to the rust). When I asked about the bubbles in the paint by the rocker panel, he said, "They must have gotten the heat lamps too close." I was 16 at the time, and my father didn't know enough about cars to realize that the salesman was selling a car with a cracked block and serious body rust. That experience made a deep impression on me. I've done some things in my life I'm ashamed of, and wouldn't dream of doing again. But I have never directly or indirectly lied to anyone about the condition a car I was trying to sell or trade. I have no tolerance for anyone who does. So, I hope I haven't offended you--I agree with most of what you say. Let's try to make the world a better place--it's pretty obvious we've got a lot of work to do.
Old 03-14-2011 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by lobewiper
O.K., you didn't directly ridicule anyone. You did seem to suggest that since the world of autmotive resale is a jungle (which it mostly is), who cares if you play by its rules (which essentially amount to as much dishonesty as one can get away with). My personal objection (and perhaps that of some of the other posters) is that you were advocating that this unfortunate owner could try to conceal the sludge problem so that he could unload it without paying any financial penalty for his neglect. The larger question for me is, what kind of world would we like to live in, and for our children etc. to live in? When I go to my dentist or doctor or plumber, I have to trust them to know what they are doing. The same goes for all kinds of transactions: we need to be able to trust other people. If we are personally dishonest/untrustworthy, we are contributing to this world's being a worse place to live in, because it makes people more mistrustful, suspicious, anxious, etc. If you wouldn't sell this damaged car to a friend or family member, you shouldn't sell it to a complete stranger, either. Why? Because you have subtracted from the trust people have in each other, and thereby weakened the quality of human life. Look, I don't mean to lecture, but I feel strongly about this. When I bought my first car, the used car salesman told me that the rust streak on the engine block was caused by "condensation off the dipstick" (which ran parallel to the rust). When I asked about the bubbles in the paint by the rocker panel, he said, "They must have gotten the heat lamps too close." I was 16 at the time, and my father didn't know enough about cars to realize that the salesman was selling a car with a cracked block and serious body rust. That experience made a deep impression on me. I've done some things in my life I'm ashamed of, and wouldn't dream of doing again. But I have never directly or indirectly lied to anyone about the condition a car I was trying to sell or trade. I have no tolerance for anyone who does. So, I hope I haven't offended you--I agree with most of what you say. Let's try to make the world a better place--it's pretty obvious we've got a lot of work to do.

One of the BEST responses/posts I have seen in a long...long time...I am glad to hear that there are still people in this world who still preserve their morals...it is refreshing in today's day and age.....good job Lobewiper!
Old 03-14-2011 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 2 GO B4
One of the BEST responses/posts I have seen in a long...long time...I am glad to hear that there are still people in this world who still preserve their morals...it is refreshing in today's day and age.....good job Lobewiper!
Thanks, 2 GO B4--appreciate it!
Old 03-14-2011 | 09:39 PM
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well honestlly i just bought a used engine for my 04 wit 50k miles on it gonna finish installing tomorow and hope it turns on with out any issues and i got it for $950 with tax included and delivery to my home a 50 mile distance
Old 03-15-2011 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by lobewiper
Let's try to make the world a better place--it's pretty obvious we've got a lot of work to do.
You're obviously on some kind of crusade, and I applaud your efforts. However I'm too cynical for you to have made enough impact on my judgment. Good luck with your dream...
Old 03-15-2011 | 11:21 AM
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The thread has now turned into some discourse on realism and idealism. Op must be having real fun---well, that is, if he's bothered to check the thread he started!
Old 03-15-2011 | 06:18 PM
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Thats an awful long time to go without an oil change. I've had cars i that burned oil like mad, but they were 20+ years old and had multiple owners. Its almost to be expected. I couldn't imagine taking a 4 year old vehicle out for a test drive and seeing smoke.
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