Black_Max

well i just got back and i had good time well i got couple runs in then let the max cool for like 45 mins then went to staging lanes spent like 30 more mins there bascially the car had like an hour to cool off and was able to get my best run of the night which was 9.181@80mph in the 8th the 60 was 2.1 i really got the hang of launching this car right around 1500 to 1800 rpm and u get 2.1-2.2 60 forsure i was happy with my results........
1st Race
R/T 1.252 i fell asleep
60'..2.225
330..6.536
1/8th 9.598
MPH..76.43

2nd Race
R/T..982
60..2.260
330..6.377
1/8..9.610
MPH..77.33

3rd Race
R/T.. .652
60..2.225
330..6.185
1/8..9.298
mph..79.33

Last Race with the 45 min cool down period
R/T.. .694
60..2.177
330..6.094
1/8..9.181
Mph..80.02

I think next time if ice it down the intake with a nice hour cool down period i might have chance to hit 8s its just that low end governer.... if only some how we could raise it up lil it would be runing a lot better

bk2k3max

Congrats, especially on that last 60, it seems when the CVT has some time to really cool well that you're time kept dropping and your traps kept getting faster.

What other mods do you have besides the intake? Have you tried launching at a higher RPM before, let's say around 3k?

What time of the day or night was it when you ran and do you know the humidity/and sea level of where you were?

Black_Max

well i noticed it to that if you give it time to cool it will respond a lot better
the car is completly stock i just took out my subs and spare tire lowered the front tires a lil to. i really cant launch any harder because i foot brake it was at night
it was around 73 when i got there then on my last run it was like 67 the humidty if i recall right was in 50-60

bk2k3max

What do you estimate your 0-60 time to be? I'm guessing here but with that 1/8 trap at 80 plus that you'd be doing very low 14's with that launch.

You're the second person I heard torquebraking a CVT and then launching, I was always afraid that something would give if I did that. 50-60 humidity is high for a 73 degree night, get the weather in the 60's and the humidity around 30 and you'd be doing 13.8 in the quarter easily.

I've been dying to go to the track but I haven't even had time to apply all my mods yet, plus I'm waiting on Bullydog to retune/release the upgrade for the Power Pup and then I'll see what she'll do.

I really need an intake or to make a GAB then just go for it, stock times from what I've seen here hasn't been that bad for a car weighing over 3600lbs and FWD with a CVT.

Black_Max

Same thing im sayn lol its not bad at all.....I really want to get a intake im proly not gonna go again untill i do get that or at least exhaust..... but i really think that 9.1 run would of forsure been in the high 13s because it lags it in low end with that wot rpm governer it slows it down a lil but to me the top end is strong enough to take into the 13s
but then again the weather could of prevented it and i would proly ran 14 like you said

Import Roller

not bad, thats about what my Altima did when i first got it. But our cars need more room to stretch it out. most of our power is mid range to top end

Black_Max

Yup i think if it would been in quarter i proly would hit high 13s maybe....but im happy wit what it runs for a sedan didnt really expect to much at first i thought maybe mid to high 9s lol but hopefully with a mod or two i can hit the 8s.....

Import Roller

I found my posts from 2007 that I posted my 1/8 times on an unprepped track (the race is basically in the parking lot of the stadium at Qualcomm)

9.5 secs @ 77mph. at the time my car was bone stock, spare was still in the trunk, and I had no clue how to really drive this car yet. I had the car 3 weeks before i took it to the track. My 1/4 times are in my sig, but I left my system in the back, and still hade my chrome 20s on the rear with only an intake for power gains.

bk2k3max

Well, if you don't have the Cheeze to buy yourself an Intake, you can always make a GAB:


http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...us-ghetto.html

http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...lete-done.html

http://home.insightbb.com/~dwh/GAB.htm

http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...9-how-gab.html

http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...nk-my-gab.html

http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...oundclips.html

http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...irbox-mod.html

http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...irbox-mod.html

Our set up in the 7TH Gen isn't like the ones from the previous Gens so you'd have to be a little more creative as to how you are going to go about doing this if you so dared.

Most ppl here wouldn't even consider chopping up their 7TH Gen but I still have the GAB on my 5TH Gen 3.5 and it sounds bad aZZ when I'm running down the street, ppl always ask what do I have to make it sound that way.

I wouldn't dare dream of doing this to Zhuzy (name of my car, please see the thread that asks if you named yours) though.

Nightshifter

I'm glad you learned to launch the car correctly and verified you can get 2.17 60' and ~ 9.1ish in the 1/8.. now people won't think i'm making the numbers up thanx for the post! My best 1/8th was 9.05 thus far...
I beat a Cobalt SS with intake and exhaust at the track in the 1/4 also...
so the 09 Max is not that slow as people think and can dip in the high 13's...

Black_Max

Yup i wish i couldve ran a 1/4 mile........ but right now id be happy if with couple mods i can hit high 8s or if possible in the mids that be awsome lol......

bk2k3max

Didn't realize that you raced a Cobalt SS in one of those 1/4 mile runs and beat it, especially one with an I/E set-up, those things are fast.

Did you walk him? I know it was still a close race. You should go to the 1/8 & 1/4 Mile Forum on here and post your Drag Slips so that people can see them, that would end any doubt that anyone may have about your runs.

Nightshifter

No that don't work anymore, because nowadays people claim photoshop chops on the timeslips... so i said F it... believe what you wanna believe... i really don't care anymore. Anyway, i had him off the line because those things don't have traction worth squat... he kept coming up, but because of the CVT i stayed ahead of him. If he didn't have to shift, he might of caught me at the finish. The SC gives him power all the time.. unlike a turbo which must be spooled (TT's are better) but it could of been the driver factor there... I had an SRT-4 and that car was horrible off the line... heh FWD Turbo isn't as bad as a SC off the line, but still, the SRT-4 was just horrible.. the wheel hop was insane! I put some
motor mount kit and tranny mount kit on it .. yeah that helped, but then the car vibrated like hell and wasn't fun to drive, esp. with the AC on. Stock both cars run in the 14's.. anyone claiming 13's is bs'n or has mods on there they ain't listing. I've raced enough of them and owned one modding it up to Stage II with a different intercooler... I've seen a stock SRT-4 run 13.8s with slicks, but noway with stock tires... The Cobalt was red with a carbon fibre hood... nice look'n for a little 4 banger. They still sound like (*&$ .. i'd rather have the nissan v6 dual exhaust sound anyday!


"yes, i'll take one of the SSC Ultimate Aero's please...you got a lease program ? "

Apollos2

iTrader: (16)

Nice to see the new Maxima's at the track! So what is rated and whp on the 08/09s?

bk2k3max

As of the present time I don't know of anyone who has dynoed the car or tried to for that matter, even Josh (from STILLEN) couldn't get an accurate WHP on the Maxima because of the CVT when he tried to measure the gains from the UDP, Intake and Exhaust set up he has on his car.

I'm guessing here but from previous Maximas (5.5gen) I was putting roughly between 190-211 at the wheels, so with this thing having freer flowing exhaust an increase of 35hp and 9TQ I'd dare to say that 230-242 at the wheels isn't out of the question. Not sure what the drivetrain loss is on a CVT but you can always make up for that with a few mods.

You have to drive this thing after 40mph, it rips down the road like its' been chased by a Rapist.

Nightshifter

Being that they changed the standards on HP rating ... the 09 would be 300HP instead of 290 ... (255 & 265 maximas) I dear say this is the fastest Maxima yet! Just gotta do something about that 0 - 40 area

Black_Max

yup if some how we can improve that with some tunning it would be a totally diffrent car but people dont understand how much better these cars would run with that improvement lol i think they are just haters that havent had chance to drive one lol i really seem to be defending the 09 in other forums not because i own it but because some dont have their facts straight i know this aint no 12 sec car but come on we get no love because of the cvt that isnt so bad lol sorry bout the rant lol had to get off my chest hahahahahaha

Nightshifter

Yep, if the car would reach +6000 rpm @ 20 mph , that would take .5 off the 0 - 60 time there and you would always be in the mid upper 13's no problem... but then again, instant max torque and hp might not be a good thing for a CVT... but like it has been mentioned, nobody really knows the limitations of this particular CVT. But heck, if you punch it @ 20 it goes to 6000 rpm really fast, just not when you launch it. Maybe it's just to reduce wheel spin, TS .. and excessive strain on components still, i would like to see the car hit max torque and hp much sooner... not at launch, but much earlier than 35 or 40 mph...
around 15 or 20 would be nice, while you're already going so you don't light up the tires all the way to 60 The car is fast and has potential no doubt, esp. after ~ 30 mph... and like i mentioned, and now you know, these engines really respond to cooler temps or a good cooling down... i mean really respond well... so it's def. worth it to avoid heatsoak!

Nightshifter

I already dipped in the 13.8s .... cool the engine well, 76 degrees, no wind, normal humidity, only 2 gallons of 93 octane, and brake torque launch @ 1800 rpm .. 2.17 60', 5.32 0 - 60, 9.05 1/8th, 13.87 1/4 ... but i average 14.10s now .. high 13's is a + when it happens !

Apollos2

iTrader: (16)

That a pretty good time 13.8 even 14.1. I wonder if there is a big difference between your 7th gen CVT and the one that came in the 07/08?

I know Kevin007 hit 13.9 with his lightly modded 07CVT. http://forums.maxima.org/1-4-1-8-mil...2-exhaust.html

With more HP and TQ it seems they should be capable of even better than that. Perhaps the answer is in the chip. How much do your cars weigh?
Mine is a beefy 3660-3670 depending on how close to a 1/4 tank of gas I have.

bk2k3max

Yeah, I remember reading Kevin's post, I thought that was pretty amazing-especially/considering most ppl were saying that the 6TH Gen was a fat pig and couldn't hang with the 5.5Gen.

Nightshifter: Please do not worry about the Photoshop issues regarding your Timeslips-SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.

Right now all we have is your word (which is good enough for us) but I've already told ppl who do not believe that the Max 09 has broken into the 13s because they all ready Motortrend and the other Car Mags that tests 0-60 & 1/4 mile times using very conservative launching techniques.

All I hear on other forums is how slow the 09 Max is, so I tell them to visit our forum here to see that we do have 09s runnin in the 13s but they just tell me I'm lying but a link with pics of your Timeslips would shut them up.

Thanks

Nightshifter

To tell you the truth, i think this CVT shifts better (in manual mode) than a regular Automatic (like in a Lexus, Benz or BMW...). It's really instant!
So what are people complaining about ? Maybe the weight of the thing ?
But you have the least HP loss through a CVT... I guess it's a MOD thing.
A CVT can't handle major HP.... but who really is going to strip the motor out of an 09 Max and go 500+ HP ? Or put a 200 HP of NOS on it...
not many. I was hoping someone else would post similar 1/8th mile times... 1/10th difference isn't going to argued about... that's just a good run. His best was 9.15 mine was 9.05... check .10 on your stop watch .. as fast as you can punch it on & off .. that's a very brief moment.
Heh, i don't know why people are bashing the 09 Maxima for speed .. the car is 35 HP (and that's 35 Factory HP, not bolt-on) more and 17 kilos less weight than its predecessor... do i sense a hint of Jealousy ? If anything, to my eyes, it sure looks better than any previous Gen Maxima.. but that's my taste.

bk2k3max

I do see a lot of jealousy coming from certain owners of different Gen Maximas but I also see a lot of "I HATE THE CVT" from the "I ROW MY OWN GEARS" crowd.

The thing most of them hate is that they can't have that control they feel they need or have gotten addicted to, it may be a "control issue" with some of them so they are unwilling to give the CVT a chance simply because they're not the one who's telling the car/trans what to do.

I think this is the best looking Maxima by far and not because I own one. I admire all Maximas since their inception and I own a 2k, 2k3 and now a 2k9 and love the look of all of them.

There's no need to bash on the CVT, if you like it great, if you don't then that's great too but those who do not own one or have not spent enough time behind the wheel to learn about all of its' versatilities should not say anything at all if they have something bad to say.

Nightshifter, please post your Timeslips.

Thanks

Nightshifter

Well here's the exact times not rounded off. 2 gallons of gas, it was 76 degrees out, no breeze really and normal humidity. 93 Octane! No spare 48lbs, and no Mats (including trunk Mat) 22lbs.

They only give you half, (the dude in the office tears it and gives the other half to the other lane...) .. so i'm going again to get another, hopefully alone. This was all crumpled up in my wallet so i hope it helps.. but i'll get another one this thursday test & tune!

Nightshifter

Well, fast for a SC 4 cylinder .. car stock does 0 - 60 5.9 secs .. 1/4 ~ 14.5...

m_turner_02

iTrader: (3)

I like the 100+mph trap. props on the good run. I have a 5AT, but have test driven a 07 cvt max with the g/f and thought that the tranny was really responsive, especially from a slow roll and then going wot....nonetheless nice run

Nightshifter

Yeah, the car can hit 13's if you get a good launch and the motor was cooled down well. It should for a 290 HP Motor anyway...
You gotta make sure you cool these motors down because then they will respond well ... if it's warm .. it's 14.3's which isn't bad but 13.8s is much better Don't forget, only 2 gallons of gas in the car and no spare (48 lbs there for the spare and jack hardware).

m_turner_02

iTrader: (3)

the whole "cooling" of the car is kinda common sense for anybody running at the track, especially with a VQ....they suck when they get hot.

ot: is there any type of tranny cooler for the cvt? just curious, because from my readings they get a lot hotter than a 'regular' automatic tranny

**after re-reading the post, note that I am not being sarcastic or condescending...it kind of sounds that way

gordoe

I CRACKED OPEN MY AIRBOX ABOUT 3/4 OR 1 INCH AND I FIND IT TO RUN NICELY AND WHEN U GET TO ABOUT 4000 RPMS THE ENGINE SOUNDS NICE! WHEN YOUR MERGING ON TO THE FREEWAY, WOW YOURE SCARING MUSTANGS AND BMWS! ALSO THE EXHAUST TONE CHANGED A BIT. SOUNDS A BIT MORE AGRESSIVE. I GOT THE IDEA FROM THE GHETTO AIRBOX, BUT BEFORE DRILLING I OPENED IT UP A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS. ANYONE EVER TRY THIS?

Nightshifter

1 ft. rollout 0 - 60 was published @ 5.20 secs ..

I can confirm 5.32 secs at the track on my 13.87 sec run .. that was a staged shallow 1 foot rollout right before the green! RPM's 1800.. just enough to pull the car foward and break the brake pressure to give you the rollout... the car is faster then starting from dead stop. Most cars yield better 0 - 60 times from dead stop because they can get a better launch... our cars seem to do much better with a 1 foot roll! So the 09 Maxima is or can be fast when applying this technique at the track (once you get it down and your not nervous).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Maxima

towards the bottom ...

now i can confirm 5.32 ... never reached 5.2 yet.. maybe in very cool weather.. like 40's or 50's on a dry day, same track conditions and keep weight to min. of the car...

Nightshifter

Yes! The CVT is nothing to mock really ... it gives you the most gears Infinite gear ratio or near infinite.... and the 09 is 35 HP more and the CVT in this car is the best i ever experienced among CVT's... again the trick to get those times is to get the 1 foot roll launch down while the car is around 1800 rpms. Engine being nice and cool and weight of the car kept to min. also helps. By the way, i took the Mats out (including the trunk).. almost forget.
The whole set weighs 22 lbs! so spare = 48 lbs, Mats 22 lbs and 18 gallons less of gas 113 lbs! so that's ~ 184 lbs less weight right there! Cars, Drivers and Conditions vary so don't be hard pressed if you're not getting at least 9.1 @ the 1/8th mile point...