The Official CVT vs Manual Transmission Thread
06-13-2010, 10:29 PM
#401
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Far too many manual fans here are still refusing to face the elephant in the room.
YES, Nissan can build a manual Maxima. It isn't really that difficult.
Yes, Nissan actually DID build a manual Maxima for a quarter of a century.
No, the public was not enthusiastic enough about the manual Maximas to keep buying them.
So dealers refused to order them, accepting only the manuals Nissan practically forced them to take with 'can't refuse' deals. Then promptly sold them at cost or lower to clear the parking space for a car customers wanted to see and buy that the dealer could clear a profit on.
Those faulting Nissan for dropping the manual Maxima are flailing the wrong cow. The reason the manual Maxima was dropped was NOT because Nissan did not want to MAKE them, but because CUSTOMERS WERE NOT BUYING THEM.
Those whimpering about not being able to find manuals on the dealer's lot, even when Nissan was making them, are moaning about the SYMPTOM, not the problem. the lack of manuals on the dealer's lot was SYMPTOMATIC of the PROBLEM that manuals were not selling.
Manual fans need to simply turn around, look right at this elephant in the room, and give Nissan credit for foolishly continuing to build manual Maximas through 2006, by which time sales of manuals had long since dwindled below 3% of total Maxima sales.
Yes, I enjoy driving a manual on a winding mountain road. But auto manufacturers are having desperate times, and to build a car that dealers can't sell should lead any sound Board of Directors to fire the officials making such a foolish decision.
Those here encouraging Nissan to build a manual Maxima are showing a total lack of understanding of basic business practices.
YES, Nissan can build a manual Maxima. It isn't really that difficult.
Yes, Nissan actually DID build a manual Maxima for a quarter of a century.
No, the public was not enthusiastic enough about the manual Maximas to keep buying them.
So dealers refused to order them, accepting only the manuals Nissan practically forced them to take with 'can't refuse' deals. Then promptly sold them at cost or lower to clear the parking space for a car customers wanted to see and buy that the dealer could clear a profit on.
Those faulting Nissan for dropping the manual Maxima are flailing the wrong cow. The reason the manual Maxima was dropped was NOT because Nissan did not want to MAKE them, but because CUSTOMERS WERE NOT BUYING THEM.
Those whimpering about not being able to find manuals on the dealer's lot, even when Nissan was making them, are moaning about the SYMPTOM, not the problem. the lack of manuals on the dealer's lot was SYMPTOMATIC of the PROBLEM that manuals were not selling.
Manual fans need to simply turn around, look right at this elephant in the room, and give Nissan credit for foolishly continuing to build manual Maximas through 2006, by which time sales of manuals had long since dwindled below 3% of total Maxima sales.
Yes, I enjoy driving a manual on a winding mountain road. But auto manufacturers are having desperate times, and to build a car that dealers can't sell should lead any sound Board of Directors to fire the officials making such a foolish decision.
Those here encouraging Nissan to build a manual Maxima are showing a total lack of understanding of basic business practices.
06-14-2010, 05:32 AM
#402
Everything you just wrote is a spot-on analysis, but a hard sell considering how many Org members drive a MT. There was a thread poll sometime back that pegged it just under 50%.
It's a tough room, Hill.
It's a tough room, Hill.
06-14-2010, 06:22 AM
#404
My numbers were off: 2112 automatics to 1633 manuals. Or 56.4% to 43.6%
Now Smurf, if you really want to explore 7th Gen values a little more proactively, create and sticky a Yes/No polling thread in the 7th gen forum only:
"If the 7th Gen had a MT, would you buy it?"
I'm guessing you'd see over 50% yes-responses. Then again, it's a different time, and a different average-age.
Last edited by Rochester; 06-14-2010 at 06:37 AM.
06-14-2010, 09:52 AM
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Just another example of a person not really familiar with this newly redesigned CVT. This CVT can be operated in four different ways, and several offer us the option of enabling us to make the CVT instantly shift to a simulated gear that pours on the quick burst of power you needed in that situation.
But it is easy to understand why someone not experienced in driving the CVT would miss this. There are options/functions with this CVT I haven't yet fully mastered. It is really a very impressive tranny.
But it is easy to understand why someone not experienced in driving the CVT would miss this. There are options/functions with this CVT I haven't yet fully mastered. It is really a very impressive tranny.
As I said before, your elephant in the room is largely anecdotal. Cadillac advertises availablity of a manual in their CTS, but try to find one on a dealer's lot. Yet I'll bet if you really wanted a manual CTS, they would get you one. There is no reason Nissan could not do the same if they wanted. Nissan deleted many good features from the Maxima in the 2010 model, and I think it's a shame.
Look, I'm not begrudging you that you want an automatic. The Maxima is a good car--I steered our two lady friends to new Maximas, and they bought theirs partially on my recommendation. It has one of the best engines in the business, and the automatic works well the great majority of time.
However, I personally like a manual. I couldn't care less if an automatic shifts faster--it has no relevance to the way I use my car. The only advantage I see in the CVT is that you don't have to shift, period. Nissan is saying they no longer want my business, and I can live with that, but I don't have to like it.
However, I refuse to side with the apologists for Nissan who choose to please stockholders rather than customers, an attitude that brought Detroit to their knees.
06-14-2010, 10:03 AM
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Yet...everytime i go to a dealership or a meet....EVERYONE is always like "Wow, you got a 6spd...I've been looking all over for that....you wanna sell it?"....so, its only me, but a manual tranny is much more fun than an automatic and makes driving these great cars just a little bit more enjoyable.....and they are definately coveted by serious car enthusiasts
06-14-2010, 10:28 AM
#407
As I said before, your elephant in the room is largely anecdotal. Cadillac advertises availablity of a manual in their CTS, but try to find one on a dealer's lot. Yet I'll bet if you really wanted a manual CTS, they would get you one. There is no reason Nissan could not do the same if they wanted. Nissan deleted many good features from the Maxima in the 2010 model, and I think it's a shame.
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However, I refuse to side with the apologists for Nissan who choose to please stockholders rather than customers, an attitude that brought Detroit to their knees.
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However, I refuse to side with the apologists for Nissan who choose to please stockholders rather than customers, an attitude that brought Detroit to their knees.
Part of GM's problem is what you say they do, they build cars that very few people want to buy. The successful companies stopped that long ago. Which companies went to Congress begging for cash to stay afloat? Yet, here you are complaining that one of companies that didn't take bailout cash, due to the company only making cars that the vast majority of people want and buy, is smart enough to do what is profitable.
06-14-2010, 11:42 AM
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I doubt that it's the cost of fitting the odd MT-equipped car into the production sequence that's particularly costly. I'd look more toward the certification expenses.
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06-14-2010, 12:23 PM
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So you are saying this technologically advanced transmission can't handle the simple command of going to max power without human intervention?
** But human intervention makes driving more fun. At least that has been your mantra.
As I said before, your elephant in the room is largely anecdotal.
** More than 'anecdotal' to Nissan, and that is why we have no manual Maxima.
Look, I'm not begrudging you that you want an automatic. The Maxima is a good car--I steered our two lady friends to new Maximas, and they bought theirs partially on my recommendation. It has one of the best engines in the business, and the automatic works well the great majority of time.
** I prefer this new CVT to the automatic. I feel it gives me more options and more control.
However, I personally like a manual.
** Lots of folks prefer a manual, but that 'lots' is less than 5% of the total US population.
However, I refuse to side with the apologists for Nissan who choose to please stockholders rather than customers, an attitude that brought Detroit to their knees.
** Misguided analysis. Four things brought Detroit to its knees:
** 1 - Antiquated and undesirable styling.
** 2 - Lack of reliability.
** 3 - Union rules left over from the 1950s, with salaries out of line with the work being
** performed.
** 4 - Detroit's insistence on building excessive copies of hardly popular cars, dumping
** vast quantities them on dealers, and leaving dealers the task of getting rid of them
** at very small profit margins. That greedy system finally did them in.
** But human intervention makes driving more fun. At least that has been your mantra.
As I said before, your elephant in the room is largely anecdotal.
** More than 'anecdotal' to Nissan, and that is why we have no manual Maxima.
Look, I'm not begrudging you that you want an automatic. The Maxima is a good car--I steered our two lady friends to new Maximas, and they bought theirs partially on my recommendation. It has one of the best engines in the business, and the automatic works well the great majority of time.
** I prefer this new CVT to the automatic. I feel it gives me more options and more control.
However, I personally like a manual.
** Lots of folks prefer a manual, but that 'lots' is less than 5% of the total US population.
However, I refuse to side with the apologists for Nissan who choose to please stockholders rather than customers, an attitude that brought Detroit to their knees.
** Misguided analysis. Four things brought Detroit to its knees:
** 1 - Antiquated and undesirable styling.
** 2 - Lack of reliability.
** 3 - Union rules left over from the 1950s, with salaries out of line with the work being
** performed.
** 4 - Detroit's insistence on building excessive copies of hardly popular cars, dumping
** vast quantities them on dealers, and leaving dealers the task of getting rid of them
** at very small profit margins. That greedy system finally did them in.
06-14-2010, 12:57 PM
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Far too many manual fans here are still refusing to face the elephant in the room.
YES, Nissan can build a manual Maxima. It isn't really that difficult.
Yes, Nissan actually DID build a manual Maxima for a quarter of a century.
No, the public was not enthusiastic enough about the manual Maximas to keep buying them.
So dealers refused to order them, accepting only the manuals Nissan practically forced them to take with 'can't refuse' deals. Then promptly sold them at cost or lower to clear the parking space for a car customers wanted to see and buy that the dealer could clear a profit on.
Those faulting Nissan for dropping the manual Maxima are flailing the wrong cow. The reason the manual Maxima was dropped was NOT because Nissan did not want to MAKE them, but because CUSTOMERS WERE NOT BUYING THEM.
Those whimpering about not being able to find manuals on the dealer's lot, even when Nissan was making them, are moaning about the SYMPTOM, not the problem. the lack of manuals on the dealer's lot was SYMPTOMATIC of the PROBLEM that manuals were not selling.
Manual fans need to simply turn around, look right at this elephant in the room, and give Nissan credit for foolishly continuing to build manual Maximas through 2006, by which time sales of manuals had long since dwindled below 3% of total Maxima sales.
Yes, I enjoy driving a manual on a winding mountain road. But auto manufacturers are having desperate times, and to build a car that dealers can't sell should lead any sound Board of Directors to fire the officials making such a foolish decision.
Those here encouraging Nissan to build a manual Maxima are showing a total lack of understanding of basic business practices.
YES, Nissan can build a manual Maxima. It isn't really that difficult.
Yes, Nissan actually DID build a manual Maxima for a quarter of a century.
No, the public was not enthusiastic enough about the manual Maximas to keep buying them.
So dealers refused to order them, accepting only the manuals Nissan practically forced them to take with 'can't refuse' deals. Then promptly sold them at cost or lower to clear the parking space for a car customers wanted to see and buy that the dealer could clear a profit on.
Those faulting Nissan for dropping the manual Maxima are flailing the wrong cow. The reason the manual Maxima was dropped was NOT because Nissan did not want to MAKE them, but because CUSTOMERS WERE NOT BUYING THEM.
Those whimpering about not being able to find manuals on the dealer's lot, even when Nissan was making them, are moaning about the SYMPTOM, not the problem. the lack of manuals on the dealer's lot was SYMPTOMATIC of the PROBLEM that manuals were not selling.
Manual fans need to simply turn around, look right at this elephant in the room, and give Nissan credit for foolishly continuing to build manual Maximas through 2006, by which time sales of manuals had long since dwindled below 3% of total Maxima sales.
Yes, I enjoy driving a manual on a winding mountain road. But auto manufacturers are having desperate times, and to build a car that dealers can't sell should lead any sound Board of Directors to fire the officials making such a foolish decision.
Those here encouraging Nissan to build a manual Maxima are showing a total lack of understanding of basic business practices.
06-14-2010, 02:26 PM
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Dont forget the CTS and C300 are all RWD. Nissan didnt wanna make the Maxima look like a Joke (Can u imagine a FWD 290hp sedan w/ a 6spd? IN this day and age!). None of its direct competitors offer Manual trans. (Avalon, ES350, FWD TL and Azera)
06-15-2010, 05:46 AM
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Of course I can imagine such a combination – affordability assumed, it would have headed to the top of our last "short list".
BTW, Nissan certainly did run a joke, though I'm not sure if it was on us or on the Maxima. It's when they tried to call the 7th Gen a "4DSC".
Norm
06-15-2010, 06:30 AM
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06-15-2010, 06:41 AM
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I'm sure it wasn't intended as one . . .
and the joke might be on the advertising genius. Didn't one of the agencies that was working with Nissan for a little while fairly recently end up doing business with/for GM?
Norm
and the joke might be on the advertising genius. Didn't one of the agencies that was working with Nissan for a little while fairly recently end up doing business with/for GM?
Norm
06-16-2010, 04:04 PM
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I really hate to be the continual bearer of bad news here, but the idea of having a manual Maxima that had to be special ordered just will not fly under any conditions. We obviously have posters here who have never owned and run a manufacturing plant. That is a total pipe dream.
That would require the same engineering, supply chain, stocking paperwork, certification, etc, as if 100,000 were going to be built. But the reality is that less than 1K would be ordered, and Nissan knows this. Not many more that that were sold in 2006, when large dealers had manuals sitting on the lot, and customers could order them exactly like they wanted.
I agree with others that Nissan should have kept a manual option on the high volume Altima. But it is not going to happen on a low volume car like the Maxima.
I think some here are not aware the Maxima is in a different category than it once was. Over 132,000 '04 Maxima were built. Probably LESS THAN HALF that number are being built each year with the 7th gen.
That would require the same engineering, supply chain, stocking paperwork, certification, etc, as if 100,000 were going to be built. But the reality is that less than 1K would be ordered, and Nissan knows this. Not many more that that were sold in 2006, when large dealers had manuals sitting on the lot, and customers could order them exactly like they wanted.
I agree with others that Nissan should have kept a manual option on the high volume Altima. But it is not going to happen on a low volume car like the Maxima.
I think some here are not aware the Maxima is in a different category than it once was. Over 132,000 '04 Maxima were built. Probably LESS THAN HALF that number are being built each year with the 7th gen.
06-17-2010, 04:04 AM
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I've always been a little scared to post in here because I don't want my head ripped off but I thought I'd finally give it a try... Please be gental. Haha
let's discuss longevity for a minute. Is it likely that pairing our engine with the CVT vs a Manual or even a traditional automatic is better for the engine because of reduced wear? Over a span of say 15 years of normal driving (no speed demons) the engine with the CVT should outlive or be in better condition than the manual or traditional automatic due to the RPL (revolutions per lifetime)that the engine has seen. I would imagine if it were possible to count total revolutions over a given time the CVT would come under any other transmission. Also if it were able to count the amount of time spent at higher RPMs over a given time shouldn't the CVT have less time at those higher RPMs thus causing a reduction of engine wear? If that were to be the case wouldn't that directly affect expected lifespans of the CVTs engine to possibly out live engines paired with other transmissions?
let's discuss longevity for a minute. Is it likely that pairing our engine with the CVT vs a Manual or even a traditional automatic is better for the engine because of reduced wear? Over a span of say 15 years of normal driving (no speed demons) the engine with the CVT should outlive or be in better condition than the manual or traditional automatic due to the RPL (revolutions per lifetime)that the engine has seen. I would imagine if it were possible to count total revolutions over a given time the CVT would come under any other transmission. Also if it were able to count the amount of time spent at higher RPMs over a given time shouldn't the CVT have less time at those higher RPMs thus causing a reduction of engine wear? If that were to be the case wouldn't that directly affect expected lifespans of the CVTs engine to possibly out live engines paired with other transmissions?
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06-17-2010, 05:12 AM
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Hard to say, and probably depends on how any particular car is driven. Being continuously variable, under acceleration the revs will tend to run high immediately rather than having to wait for the car's road speed to let them be there. And the revs will stay up there because in true CVT operation there are no discrete upshifts to cause them to drop back (instead of the engine varying speed to match increasing road speed, rpm is held more or less constant and the overall gearing varies).
I imagine that Nissan has some idea about wear rates vs engine rpm and probably a few other things (% load, temperature). Maybe light can fill in some information concerning whether the CVT seeks low ratios (and high engine rpms) as aggressively when the engine isn't fully warmed up as it does when the engine is.
Norm
I imagine that Nissan has some idea about wear rates vs engine rpm and probably a few other things (% load, temperature). Maybe light can fill in some information concerning whether the CVT seeks low ratios (and high engine rpms) as aggressively when the engine isn't fully warmed up as it does when the engine is.
Norm
06-17-2010, 06:03 AM
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The business model that gave us the extra-cost option of selecting an automatic transmission worked well enough for several decades, and people willingly shelled out anywhere from a hundred dollars or so way-back-when to a thousand in recent years. People chose to spend upward of $1000 for the convenience, and the mfrs gladly obliged. So I don't see why being able to spend a similar amount to satisfy a different preference should be any different. Sure, there is some overall plant efficiency gain to be had by eliminating choice ("any color you want as long as it's black", anyone?), but it comes at the risk of losing certain customers. Or worse, alienating them.
It would be reasonable for Nissan to require a larger percentage as a down payment, but the customer would know that going in.
That would require the same engineering, supply chain, stocking paperwork, certification, etc, as if 100,000 were going to be built.
I don't think it's all that difficult to build different versions of the same car or even slightly different cars on the same production line – I've watched several versions of the Corvette and Cadillac's CTS roll down the same line at Bowling Green, interspersed in no particular order.
Norm
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06-17-2010, 07:41 AM
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I've always been a little scared to post in here because I don't want my head ripped off but I thought I'd finally give it a try... Please be gental. Haha
let's discuss longevity for a minute. Is it likely that pairing our engine with the CVT vs a Manual or even a traditional automatic is better for the engine because of reduced wear? Over a span of say 15 years of normal driving (no speed demons) the engine with the CVT should outlive or be in better condition than the manual or traditional automatic due to the RPL (revolutions per lifetime)that the engine has seen. I would imagine if it were possible to count total revolutions over a given time the CVT would come under any other transmission. Also if it were able to count the amount of time spent at higher RPMs over a given time shouldn't the CVT have less time at those higher RPMs thus causing a reduction of engine wear? If that were to be the case wouldn't that directly affect expected lifespans of the CVTs engine to possibly out live engines paired with other transmissions?
let's discuss longevity for a minute. Is it likely that pairing our engine with the CVT vs a Manual or even a traditional automatic is better for the engine because of reduced wear? Over a span of say 15 years of normal driving (no speed demons) the engine with the CVT should outlive or be in better condition than the manual or traditional automatic due to the RPL (revolutions per lifetime)that the engine has seen. I would imagine if it were possible to count total revolutions over a given time the CVT would come under any other transmission. Also if it were able to count the amount of time spent at higher RPMs over a given time shouldn't the CVT have less time at those higher RPMs thus causing a reduction of engine wear? If that were to be the case wouldn't that directly affect expected lifespans of the CVTs engine to possibly out live engines paired with other transmissions?
06-17-2010, 12:35 PM
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I really hate to be the continual bearer of bad news here, but the idea of having a manual Maxima that had to be special ordered just will not fly under any conditions. We obviously have posters here who have never owned and run a manufacturing plant. That is a total pipe dream.
That would require the same engineering, supply chain, stocking paperwork, certification, etc, as if 100,000 were going to be built. But the reality is that less than 1K would be ordered, and Nissan knows this. Not many more that that were sold in 2006, when large dealers had manuals sitting on the lot, and customers could order them exactly like they wanted.
I agree with others that Nissan should have kept a manual option on the high volume Altima. But it is not going to happen on a low volume car like the Maxima.
I think some here are not aware the Maxima is in a different category than it once was. Over 132,000 '04 Maxima were built. Probably LESS THAN HALF that number are being built each year with the 7th gen.
That would require the same engineering, supply chain, stocking paperwork, certification, etc, as if 100,000 were going to be built. But the reality is that less than 1K would be ordered, and Nissan knows this. Not many more that that were sold in 2006, when large dealers had manuals sitting on the lot, and customers could order them exactly like they wanted.
I agree with others that Nissan should have kept a manual option on the high volume Altima. But it is not going to happen on a low volume car like the Maxima.
I think some here are not aware the Maxima is in a different category than it once was. Over 132,000 '04 Maxima were built. Probably LESS THAN HALF that number are being built each year with the 7th gen.
06-17-2010, 02:53 PM
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Respecfully, I don't agree with the supply chain arguments you make as I am pretty sure that Nissan has engineered a manual for this engine and with today's computerized manufacturing processes it would not be that hard to drop a manual in on a per order basis, besides they could charge extra for it. Also, based on your arguments of having to plan for 100,000 units when less would be made, you have inadvertently made the case for Nissan to simply stop building the Maxima altogether & switch to only Altima.
As long as Nissan can sell around 70,000 copies of the Maxima, Nissan would be foolish to drop it, because Maxima drivers are, by nature, looking for something a little special. The Altima is an excellent car, but with over a million on the road, they are certainly nothing special. I cetainly have no interest in an Altima.
Plus one on the no interest in an altima
06-17-2010, 06:25 PM
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06-17-2010, 06:32 PM
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[/QUOTE]uuhhh i second that!!!!!
06-18-2010, 03:31 AM
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Don't act like you don't like it 5 ltr. wife beater. This thread is much like the CVT itself in how its long lasting and that it can shift at any moment and doesn't have to slow down to do it. It should have it's own theme song played everytime you enter. It would probably go a lil somthin like this...
Ain't no thread like the CVT thread cuz the CVT don't stop!
Ain't no thread like the CVT thread cuz the CVT don't stop!
06-18-2010, 08:15 AM
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06-18-2010, 08:21 AM
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Maybe 8 track vs Cassette?
My point was just there will always be an arguement of old versus new regardless of the time frame and technology
06-19-2010, 02:09 PM
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06-19-2010, 02:19 PM
#437
I'm guessing there are power mod options, and threads on the same. But IDK for sure, so please excuse my 7th gen forum ignorance.
06-19-2010, 05:16 PM
#438
Not a lot out their today for the Maxima I wouldn't worry about a 5 HP gain from an air filter.
06-19-2010, 10:39 PM
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I see Flip put on his flame retardant undies and jumped in here. 
And no, this thread won't ever die, nor do I expect it to. Heck, even stickied so we don't have 15 versions of the same thread too. That would just make my life as a mod suck....
Oh, and I too had 8track, HD DVD (still do) and Betamax. Shoot, even had the record size Videodisc for awhile. If you want to know what tech NOT to buy when it comes to stuff like that, just ask what I have and buy the other version.....
Oh, and for the record, I do like the CVT in the 7th gen, didn't like it in the 6th gen. Tho I know how to drive a MT car, and trucks all the way up to a 5ton tanker truck, I don't much care for it, esp. in the traffic and crap where I live. Turns into more of a chore than fun.
And no, this thread won't ever die, nor do I expect it to. Heck, even stickied so we don't have 15 versions of the same thread too. That would just make my life as a mod suck.... Oh, and I too had 8track, HD DVD (still do) and Betamax. Shoot, even had the record size Videodisc for awhile. If you want to know what tech NOT to buy when it comes to stuff like that, just ask what I have and buy the other version.....
Oh, and for the record, I do like the CVT in the 7th gen, didn't like it in the 6th gen. Tho I know how to drive a MT car, and trucks all the way up to a 5ton tanker truck, I don't much care for it, esp. in the traffic and crap where I live. Turns into more of a chore than fun.
06-19-2010, 11:50 PM
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Well I perfer the CVT to the manual because I can't even drive a stick. The stupid things keep shutting off on me when I try to take off at a red light... I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Calm down people, I'm only kidding. Just a joke. When I first bought a vehicle I coulnt even afford the luxuries of an automatic (or flame retardant undies for that matter. Have you ever priced those things out? One word. Expensive!) My first couple of vehicles all had to be manuals.
Calm down people, I'm only kidding. Just a joke. When I first bought a vehicle I coulnt even afford the luxuries of an automatic (or flame retardant undies for that matter. Have you ever priced those things out? One word. Expensive!) My first couple of vehicles all had to be manuals.
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