Jwad00

Hey guys i was wondering if i will need any camber eccentrics for when i install my drop coils and struts? Will i need anything else before putting on the springs and struts?

VQuick

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You may want to replace your OEM rubber suspension parts if you have high mileage. After you take apart the stock assemblies you can have a look and decide what needs replacing. The strut mounts (little grey plastic discs) may be bad too. Here's a list of 4th gen suspension parts:

http://web.archive.org/web/200512201...ion/index.html

Jwad00

Thanks for the help!

d00df00d

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What springs are you getting?

I'd get camber bolts just to be safe...

VQuick

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Haha, point-counterpoint with d00df00d again...

In my experience, no camber adjustment is needed with a moderate drop. I was dropped 1.6", no camber bolts or plates, never got an alignment, drove 14,000 miles on that setup, and never saw any uneven tire wear. Car drove straight and true. I probably didn't have the optimal camber but if you're short on money I just want to put it out there that you probably do not need camber bolts/plates.

Side note, Matt93SE says to avoid camber bolts because they can slip at the worst possible time--under extreme maneuvers--and that is potentially very dangerous. He recommends the more expensive camber plates.

d00df00d

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No problem with counterpoints.

I agree that camber bolts aren't necessarily needed. It does depend on the drop, though, hence the question about springs.

Speaking of which, while I have also heard plenty of horror stories about camber bolts, I do know that BEJAY1 uses them (as well as plates, interestingly enough). If they can stand up to his driving, they can stand up to anything. It probably matters which ones you get -- better ones will take more torque without breaking, which may allow them to stay in place better.

Does anyone make camber plates any more? I thought Stillen was the only brand but that they stopped making them.

Jwad00

Whats the difference between camber bolts and plates? When i lowered my truck i got camber washers and bolts came with it. It replaced the upper control arm bolts and factory washers with ones that would allow for the upper arm to be pulled inward or pushed outward depending on where the camber needed to be set so when you guys say plates and bolts like they are different i get lost lol.

d00df00d

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Camber plates (pic courtesy of Road Race Engineering):
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/p...e-adjuster.jpg

These replace your upper strut mounts and let you adjust camber by changing the angle at which the strut sits. The top of the piston attaches to the center thing there, and loosening the four little bolts lets you slide the whole assembly side-to-side.

Advantages: Ease of adjustment, durability (provided you torque that top nut down EXACTLY to spec), and potentially better steering response (not really noticeable on the street to most people).

Disadvantages: Difficult to install. Also, tilting the strut changes kingpin inclination angle, which affects how camber changes as you turn the wheel. Blah blah, long technical explanation... Long story short, it may be counterproductive in some cases.



Camber bolts are much simpler: they have an irregular shape, and work by allowing you to change the angle at which the spindle sits relative to the strut. Not much explanation to it.

Advantages: Ease of installation, lack of negative effect on kingpin inclination angle.

Disadvantages: Harder to adjust. They are also thinner than standard strut bolts, so some of them break pretty easily. Lastly, if you don't tighten them a LOT, they can move and throw off your alignment during driving.