This is a pic of the new Kinetix SSV prototype being developed for the 3.5 Altima released today. However I don't think there are any differences from their engine to the Max because I have one sitting on my engine stand right now.

You can read all about it here. http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/sho...4&page=1&pp=15

Might be a nice add on for a 3.5 swap.

 

I am dissapointed in what I am seeing.

 

I can make that. Hopefully the final product is constructed better.

 

You and I both

 

Not sure what you expect to see in a prototype. Sure ain't expected to look pretty. I really don't care what it looks like as long as the gains are there. As far as the design its very similar to the 350Z with the exception it feeds the centre vs the end.




Here is a design developed by a friend of mine for the DSM's which develped over 40 HP on their 2.2 turbo.

My Son put one on his and gained .4 and 4 mph in the 1/4.

 

Why? Is it something about the quality or is it the design that you don't like?

 

Call me crazy, but the reason those intake manifolds make such big numbers is because the motors you're refering to are boosted. The 350Z crowd has already shown that the SSN manifold is only really effective on the blown VQs. Forced-induced motors aren't remotely as dependant on runner length as a NA motor is. Forced induced motors develop thier own variable atmosphere and NA motors are stuck with ambient. Hell, Ford's 4.6SC, GM's 3.8SC, and AMG SC'd motors don't really intake manifolds. The blower itself serves most of the purpose.

 

I wasn't trying to suggest a 40 HP gain on a N/A engine, just showing their design.

The gains for the SSV on the Z are in the 12-17 HP range.

 

A quick search on the 350z forums show this guy made decent NA gains. Unfortunately the graphs are not showing up for me right now.

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...t=kinetix+dyno

 

Shouldnt both ends get smaller since the inlet is in the middle?

 

how does this type of design have those gains we've seen? it's not even like the MEVI or 00VI where a switchover in runner length occurs, right?

also, if these fit the 3.5 FWD's, would this fit the 3.0's as well?

 

I am not concerned with the looks. However that design makes it a waste of money and I don't think we'll see any great gains from it. I could be wrong, but the runner length looks too similar to stock and the runner geometry is wrong for our lower manifold.

 

No, 30 has oval runners not round.

 

... ... Dynos would be nice.

Crawford ditched the FWD IM concept a while back ... Now Kinetix came with it ... Only time and dynos will tell.

I had been follwing this thread for a while (since it started) and it actually looks promising, not so much the gains, but the mere fact that it actually made it to at least prototype.. Unlike SSRs honest attempt, as well as Crawfors lame attempt.

Looking through the thread, it seems as if the ultimate goal of it is to mimic the 350z manifold, but to merely be FWD compliant.

Not much research was done to ensure HP gain. Also, seems as if somewhere in the thread, they make a few comments that would dissapoint most if not all(those who know about the FWD IM) if they read it.

I'm not bashing but would like to see #'s and also, I am definately giving it props for production.

Seeing as how simple it looks to make, one might think the price tag is a smidge heavy.

 

It took the Foxbody aftermarket 15 years to realize that they didn't HAVE to put the TB in the stock location. I am suprised that no one has noticed this but if you REALLY want to use a Kinetix manifold, all you have to do is use a 350Z lower, the 350Z Kinetix manifold and take the elbow out of the equation. That setup WOULD make more power than our stock IM. However for RWD VQ35 specs, it too was made TOO conservitavely.

 

Would it clear the hood?

 

Yeah I don't get why they had to put the curve leading to the TB from the center. Why not start on the side like on the 350z plenum. Would have been much simpler.

 

wow that has to be the worst design ever, like 3 cylinders will get way more air than the other 3.

 

Wouldn't this be better, haha sorry quick photoshop.

 

That looks sooo familair ... A .org member did a rough design, and it looks nearly identical to the bottom pic ...

 

Boy, that sure does look familiar......

 

..... Didn't want to mention any names .. just yet .

 

rofl, I've never seen that picture, who did that? I was just thinking to myself, what would be better than there lazy design of a box.

 

Who posted it ... .

 

 

 

oh it still shouldnt be such an extreme angle by the first and last runner or they will run leaner than the others. Ogdd cad work none the less.

 

Like someone said above, the Alty IM is in the prototype stage. The finish product may look better.

Point in case, their SSV IM for the 350z. Left is prototype, right is finish:

 

Would you prefer a slightly curved interface by the first and last runner? This was a quickie design to get an idea across a couple of months ago...

 

Doesn't look like they changed anything but added a little angle at the end of the rounded box part instead of making a rounded square box.

 

i like the coffin manifold by SSR.

 

Pics? .

 

http://www.ssr-engineering.com/produ...intakemani.php

 

 

But do you know why? That would be the exact same behavior for every manifold posted in this thread using our stock lower.

 

whats wrong with the lower manifold?

 

Matt,

Can you explain the difference between ours and a 350z stock lower IM? (I am assuming you are talking about the part of the IM that the injectors plug into).

 

there the same right? 350z has like 2 lower intake manifolds. One like ours, then the bottom portion of the upper manifold.

 

making a lower intake manifold, would not be worth it. you have to make a place to sit the fuel rails properly and make sure all o-rings fit tight and snug. Then make sure all injectors fit properly into the lower so you don't get puddling and stuff.

 

how much of a pain in the **** would it be to cut some of the coffin intake bend out and use that on a vq? perhaps for the 3.5 swap...