View Poll Results: What finish would you like on your VIAS removal plate?
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Development Interest Thread: Anodized/Chrome SSIM/VIAS Removal plate
#82
Aaron-do you know if the intake spacers get back some (or maybe all) of the low end torque you'd lose doing the VIAS mod? I am definitely ordering the intake spacers when I get ready to put in new plugs, so might as well do everything at once, right?
More top end power would be nice but I'd hate to lose too much off the bottom end since most of my driving is under 3500 rpm...and the torque sure makes the car fun to drive even when mostly putting around.
More top end power would be nice but I'd hate to lose too much off the bottom end since most of my driving is under 3500 rpm...and the torque sure makes the car fun to drive even when mostly putting around.
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Aaron-do you know if the intake spacers get back some (or maybe all) of the low end torque you'd lose doing the VIAS mod? I am definitely ordering the intake spacers when I get ready to put in new plugs, so might as well do everything at once, right?
More top end power would be nice but I'd hate to lose too much off the bottom end since most of my driving is under 3500 rpm...and the torque sure makes the car fun to drive even when mostly putting around.
More top end power would be nice but I'd hate to lose too much off the bottom end since most of my driving is under 3500 rpm...and the torque sure makes the car fun to drive even when mostly putting around.
Adding spacers to these mods will definitely improve the power below 5K rpm. But will it give you back ALL the low end power that was lost? I can't answer that since I haven't done testing for this. But my guess is, yeah, it would come very close. I can say this by the customers that have done the Kinetix IM along with my spacers. They don't notice a big loss in low end like the people do with just going with the Kinetix IM by itself.
#86
Aaron-do you know if the intake spacers get back some (or maybe all) of the low end torque you'd lose doing the VIAS mod? I am definitely ordering the intake spacers when I get ready to put in new plugs, so might as well do everything at once, right?
More top end power would be nice but I'd hate to lose too much off the bottom end since most of my driving is under 3500 rpm...and the torque sure makes the car fun to drive even when mostly putting around.
More top end power would be nice but I'd hate to lose too much off the bottom end since most of my driving is under 3500 rpm...and the torque sure makes the car fun to drive even when mostly putting around.
#87
Probably just the VIAS mod for right now. Just wanting to get a little more ooomph from 5500 to redline if possible without killing the bottom end.
#88
#90
SSIM for the win! We did some before SSIM testing with a friend of mine (who owns an LS2 GTO) and the after results surprised him. I find that funny since he's used to 450+WTQ slamming him into the seat and to have something like a simple P&P and deck removal surprise him. It's a great modification! That's for sure!
#93
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Alright! I finally have an update as promised.
Today, I inspected a couple more prototypes. Here is the one I chose to actually produce.
You may have noticed that the finish doesn't look as shiiny. That's because I chose to have it bead blasted to get rid of all the machining marks. This makes the part look MUCH cleaner than before. The minute I saw the part once it was cleaned up, I was blown away!
There is only one problem that I will need to correct before I can produce these plates. In the pictures above, you are looking at a flawless piece without any kind of coating. It's just plain 6061 Billet Aluminum. Since this material has spent hours being tumbled, polished, then blasted, it gives it a very clean mat finish that is prone to scratches. I have chosen to make the finish more durable by having it anodized. This will toughen up the finish considerably and may alter the color slightly. It will also prevent corrosion and oxidation, which isn't a problem with 6061 in NC. But it may be a problem elsewhere.
So, instead of waiting to have another prototype made for my approval, I have vouched to have the first batch made with a clear anodized coating. Yes, this will raise costs slightly, but it will guarantee a cleaner looking part that will be more durable in your engine bay for years to come!
I apologize that I won't be able to go with plain aluminum. But clear anodized will look very similiar. The costs have not been set officially, but right now, the expected cost is around $60.
Thank you for everyone's support.
Today, I inspected a couple more prototypes. Here is the one I chose to actually produce.
You may have noticed that the finish doesn't look as shiiny. That's because I chose to have it bead blasted to get rid of all the machining marks. This makes the part look MUCH cleaner than before. The minute I saw the part once it was cleaned up, I was blown away!
There is only one problem that I will need to correct before I can produce these plates. In the pictures above, you are looking at a flawless piece without any kind of coating. It's just plain 6061 Billet Aluminum. Since this material has spent hours being tumbled, polished, then blasted, it gives it a very clean mat finish that is prone to scratches. I have chosen to make the finish more durable by having it anodized. This will toughen up the finish considerably and may alter the color slightly. It will also prevent corrosion and oxidation, which isn't a problem with 6061 in NC. But it may be a problem elsewhere.
So, instead of waiting to have another prototype made for my approval, I have vouched to have the first batch made with a clear anodized coating. Yes, this will raise costs slightly, but it will guarantee a cleaner looking part that will be more durable in your engine bay for years to come!
I apologize that I won't be able to go with plain aluminum. But clear anodized will look very similiar. The costs have not been set officially, but right now, the expected cost is around $60.
Thank you for everyone's support.
#103
keep the cost down!!!! dont coat it just sell it like the pic you have of the prototype!!!!!! MORE PEOPLE WILL BY IT!!!! and it looks more factory!!!!
to higher price!!!
If it cost too much more then the ****ty diamond plate one people are going to buy that product even though yours is better!
to higher price!!!
If it cost too much more then the ****ty diamond plate one people are going to buy that product even though yours is better!
#105
keep the cost down!!!! dont coat it just sell it like the pic you have of the prototype!!!!!! MORE PEOPLE WILL BY IT!!!! and it looks more factory!!!!
to higher price!!!
If it cost too much more then the ****ty diamond plate one people are going to buy that product even though yours is better!
to higher price!!!
If it cost too much more then the ****ty diamond plate one people are going to buy that product even though yours is better!
"Yeah, it won't be shiny by any means. But doing a clear (aka silver) anodized finish will give it more of a shine than it already has.
Right now, it has a matte SHEEN finish. Sheen is the word. The shine is somewhat similar to the finish of the stock intake manifold. But of course, since it doesn't have casting bumps, it'll look much better."
AND
"That latest part you saw has no anodized finish on it.
Once it has a clear anodized finish, it will not make it shiny like chrome. It might be a tad shinier than in the picture, but don't expect it to be as shiny as the first part you saw a month or two ago.
If you think you want shiny, trust me, you don't! As soon as you see this part in person, you will have to sit down b/c it looks so good! It will look awesome in the VQ35 engine bay! And it won't stand out like if it was chrome finished."
-Aaron92SE-
As you can see, I was wanting a "shinier" (spelling?) piece as well, but there is the explanation right out of the producers mouth...or fingers...
Either way...a cute little logo of NWP > diamond plate that looks like you bought a sheet of it and did it yourself. If you want some NICE bling, then get this...if you want the cheap route w/o lengthened bolts, without instructions on doing the swap, and without the plug, then yeah, go for the Gorilla Diamond Plate cover...
#106
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keep the cost down!!!! dont coat it just sell it like the pic you have of the prototype!!!!!! MORE PEOPLE WILL BY IT!!!! and it looks more factory!!!!
to higher price!!!
If it cost too much more then the ****ty diamond plate one people are going to buy that product even though yours is better!
to higher price!!!
If it cost too much more then the ****ty diamond plate one people are going to buy that product even though yours is better!
With an anodized finish, it will drastically harden the outside finish which will prevent scratches from being made by something as simple as a rough shop rag. Plus, if the plate starts to look dirty over time, since it's anodized, you will be able to clean it and completely return it to it's original luster. If it was not coated, then the dirt will soak into the bare aluminum finish and change the appearance of it without any hopes of getting the original look back.
Anodizing such a small run is going to cost a lot. I have decided to eat it on the anodizing costs as much as possible. So you guys are not going to have to pay much more than before. The tentative price was only raised from $57 to $60 b/c of the anodizing process.
Also, let me mention that my goal isn't to compete with the diamond plate sold on the other forum. My goal was to make the best block plate anybody has ever seen regardless of costs. I don't mind not selling a bunch of them. I only care about the product being perfect! I know some people are willing to pay for that to have a nice looking VIAS Block Plate on their engine.
But I know there will always be those people on a budget. I'm glad you posted your thoughts on this. I will see how low I can keep the price on making another plate without the NWP Logo, no chamferred edges, and no tumbling, blasting, anodizing, or polishing. I do want to appeal to those on a budget. Thanks.
#109
I disagree with 05altimaser , i rather pay $50 MORE and have a quality product then save the $50 and have a POS.
Aaron, i hope im already on the list the paypal is READY... thanks for everything youve done for the 3.5 !
Aaron, i hope im already on the list the paypal is READY... thanks for everything youve done for the 3.5 !
#112
#115
Hey aaron , over at nissanclub.com someone was trying to compare your piece to the diamond plate. Might want to set them straight on your quality.
http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/eng...s-gbjna-6.html
http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/eng...s-gbjna-6.html
#116
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Hey aaron , over at nissanclub.com someone was trying to compare your piece to the diamond plate. Might want to set them straight on your quality.
http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/eng...s-gbjna-6.html
http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/eng...s-gbjna-6.html
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This product has gone through many changes since the first design. This has postponed things considerably! I really appreciate everyone's support and patience.
Give me about 8-10 more days. Trust me, I am more excited about this than any of you guys! This VIAS Block Plate is BY FAR my most beautiful work yet!
Give me about 8-10 more days. Trust me, I am more excited about this than any of you guys! This VIAS Block Plate is BY FAR my most beautiful work yet!
Last edited by Aaron92SE; 01-23-2008 at 09:35 PM.