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Old 03-19-2009, 07:17 AM   #1
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grey99max building another 3.5

I'm going to start this with a copy of my post in streetz's thread.

I snapped some photos of the short block - just because. This was $958, including some glass-bead cleanup work and chamfering the oil holes. This block package includes the '05 block, CP 11:1 96mm pistons with top and skirt coatings, HD wrist pins, Carrillo H-beam rods with Carr fasteners. And the labor of assembly...




http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...DSCN0741-1.jpg

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HR Head gaskets:


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Rev Up oil pump:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...9/DSCN0751.jpg


Like IHOP - "stack o' heads" : (for a later project)

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...9/DSCN0752.jpg



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Old 03-19-2009, 07:22 AM   #2
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Cosworth details

Cosworth Intake link: just wondering about this one...

http://www.cosworthusa.com/store/pc/...2&idproduct=89

CNC Heads link: ordered..

http://www.cosworthusa.com/store/pc/...7&idproduct=68

ZK2 Cams link: ordered..

http://www.cosworthusa.com/store/pc/...&idproduct=383

Cosworth Head/Cam Components testing PDF link: crazy NA HP + RPM gains with all options..

http://www.cosworthusa.com/store/pc/...nt%20tests.pdf



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Old 03-19-2009, 11:20 AM   #6
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Looks good.

This engine project is gonna be one of the craziest things I've done in a while...

Come to think about it - you can say the same thing!!!
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:05 PM   #7
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This engine project is gonna be one of the craziest things I've done in a while...

Come to think about it - you can say the same thing!!!
Haha yeah. I agree.
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Thats all I have to say.
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:32 PM   #9
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Thats all I have to say.
Oohhh, pretty ! And when it's all done, pretty darn fast... heh..
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holy crap man! this thing will be insane!!

with nitrous can you say 500+ hp
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Old 03-19-2009, 01:25 PM   #11
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holy crap man! this thing will be insane!!

with nitrous can you say 500+ hp
Well, that is my goal - make so much HP that the car is undriveable - and then learn to drive it .....
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I thought I'd be kissing the org goodbye after I totaled the max....but with stuff like this going on, I gotta stick around! Good luck man!
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Cosworth heads

My Cosworth CNCed ported valved heads got into town yesterday and I picked them up last night. The Cosworth ZK2 cams should be here on the 25th. I have a small group of the required 2007 HP valve lifters on orders to measure valve lash on each valve before ordering 24 of them. !!!

I took a bunch of photos - here they are in no particular order.. There's some good stuff in here for head porters - er, those who port heads, that is....

The Cosworth billboard box:



Truly a fine piece of work:



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Old 03-22-2009, 09:25 AM   #14
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The custom 3.0 timing gears made by StephenMax, courtesy of mowgli29 :

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/IMG_2212.jpg

and this shot:

http://users.auracom.com/DandyMax/MchSpr800x600.jpg



The covers and upper oil pan are being glass-bead blasted - should pick up Monday or Tuesday.

You know, once the ZK2 Cosworth cams and the ARP stainless exhaust studs are here and we figure out which 2007 HR valve lifters to order, I think that's everything..... new chain guides and cylinders are here, lots of gaskets and Nissan grey sticky stuff in tubes, and lots of detail parts, but it's getting close to assembly time.

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Aren't those heads pretty? It's gonna be a shame to start up the motor and get them dirty... almost !!!
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Old 03-23-2009, 02:41 PM   #20
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Great project, great pictures, great updates.....that is a going to be a killer setup.

Quick question.......there is a picture where it shows Carillo H-Beam Rods to be torqued, yet a see a bit of "offset" between the Big End Cap and the actual Connecting rod. In other words, its not fully flush. My Eagle Rods had a shoulder machined into the mating ends so that the Rod big end cap would sit flush.

Here is an example of mine....you can't even see the interface. The interface was similarly "invisible" when they were assembled onto the crank.



On the other hand, yours in this picture has a noticeable offset. Not sure if that is normal for Carrillo's.....






Anyway, just my $.02



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Quick question.......there is a picture where it shows Carillo H-Beam Rods to be torqued, yet a see a bit of "offset" between the Big End Cap and the actual Connecting rod. In other words, its not fully flush. My Eagle Rods had a shoulder machined into the mating ends so that the Rod big end cap would sit flush.

Here is an example of mine....you can't even see the interface. The interface was similarly "invisible" when they were assembled onto the crank.

On the other hand, yours in this picture has a noticeable offset. Not sure if that is normal for Carrillo's.....

Anyway, just my $.02
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Think powerful flash close to the metal object - not a natural-light shot......

I see streetz's Eagles (that H-beam looks kinda small) look like your rods on the bottom end. Must be an Eagle thing. My Carrillos-with-Carr-fasteners look like this:



Must be a Carrillo thing.
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I want to use those heads for my 3.5....I am so jealous!

Nice job as always grey.
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makes my re-think about how i did my 3.5 swap mayb i should've done some extra work ? maybe in the future when i have extra cash for spare 5spd trannys lol i cant wait to see some #'s
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yea harold the carillos are in fact thicker, but you also gotta remember how much you payed, vs. how much we payed for our eagles. You get wat you pay for, and four our power goals (450-500+), eagles are good enough, plus, with my student budget eagle (only 400) FTW!!!

it seems theres a few builds on the come up soon to terrorize the tracks and streets, koosho, aaron, grey, myself.

I called the shop thats doing my bore and hone to ask a technical question about piston to wall clearance, the guy I was speaking with was well knowledgable, he asked me wat car the motor was going into, i told him a maxima. he says "hmmmmmm iv never heard someone put a vq35 in a maxima before" it put a smile on my face lol. WE SHALL BE KNOWN!!!

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makes my re-think about how i did my 3.5 swap mayb i should've done some extra work ? maybe in the future when i have extra cash for spare 5spd trannys lol i cant wait to see some #'s
well, you gotta start somewhere... I went through three 3.0s - after the original 40K engine, I put two more junkyard dog motors in and managed to melt both of them - the 3.5 I have in the car now is a 2002 stock engine w/60K miles that I put ebay cams and '05 350Z 3-layer head gaskets in, along with ARP rod bolts. This one works well enough to make me think I can build a monster motor. Time will tell, but I'm pretty sure Godzilla is coming.... axles will be a problem.

"if you ain't breakin' sumthin', you ain't racin', boy'"
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yea harold the carillos are in fact thicker, but you also gotta remember how much you payed, vs. how much we payed for our eagles. You get wat you pay for, and four our power goals (450-500+), eagles are good enough, plus, with my student budget eagle (only 400) FTW!!!

it seems theres a few builds on the come up soon to terrorize the tracks and streets, koosho, aaron, grey, myself.

I called the shop thats doing my bore and hone to ask a technical question about piston to wall clearance, the guy I was speaking with was well knowledgable, he asked me wat car the motor was going into, i told him a maxima. he says "hmmmmmm iv never heard someone put a vq35 in a maxima before" it put a smile on my face lol. WE SHALL BE KNOWN!!!

Hey, I'm not slamming what you're doing - I took exception to a slap at the Carrillos rod gap appearance, is all. I've paid about $550 for the present 2002 3.5 and about $750 in engine internals invested in that motor - and that's 405 WHP known.

Yeah, I'm spending some $$ here, but I'm a cheap SOB and never pay retail for anything - except labor costs for a good shop. That's worth whatever it costs.

See what Jime started with his 10.8 ET??? Heh...

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it seems theres a few builds on the come up soon to terrorize the tracks and streets, koosho, aaron, grey, myself.
I hope you guys can make it to the MAXUS Drag Showdown on Saturday!

Any chance you can have your car ready by then grey?
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Sick! Makes me rethink what I'm putting into my build and how far I want to go with it.
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I hope you guys can make it to the MAXUS Drag Showdown on Saturday!

Any chance you can have your car ready by then grey?

1. I live in Kansas, so it's a long drive to anywhere for me, and I will only trailer a race car to a drag strip. I break things, you see....

2. The engine won't be done for another month or two, at a minimum.

Simple answer - nope.... darn it....

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This is going to be biblically fast... (for a maxima).

Looking spectatular and going to follow this close for future ideas

Good going grey!
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I wonder if anyone will ever do that 4.3 stroker with cosworth heads
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Cosworth Head/Cam Components testing PDF link: crazy NA HP + RPM gains with all options..

http://www.cosworthusa.com/store/pc/...nt%20tests.pdf


This is something that surprisingly just caught my attention and I overlooked it last night when I saw it and posted. On these dynos, I noticed that on the Power Axis to the left it says (Flywheel). Although these are big gains, why would they even use this method of presenting numbers? Is it to make them look bigger/higher? I don't understand why Cosworth would do that. Now convert that power to the wheels, what does that net?
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Hey ill be at maxus Grey. Come on trailer it like me and break it then go home lol. Im even loading up the spray on mine
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This is something that surprisingly just caught my attention and I overlooked it last night when I saw it and posted. On these dynos, I noticed that on the Power Axis to the left it says (Flywheel). Although these are big gains, why would they even use this method of presenting numbers? Is it to make them look bigger/higher? I don't understand why Cosworth would do that. Now convert that power to the wheels, what does that net?
My guess is that because Cosworth produces parts and engines for many different makes and models in other countries, the engine dyno numbers are the best common reference for power. They certainly can't build an engine or major component, install it in all cars that use that part, and do a chassis dyno for each of the cars... although that would make for interesting reading and I would like the job of driving all of those cars!

Converting crank HP to wheel HP also depends on several things, but using 20% HP loss from crank to wheel is a good guess. 400 crank HP is 320 WHP, for instance, using the 20% number, or 405 dyno WHP is 506 crank HP. There is no one number for drivetrain losses - too many variations in drivetrain, you know.
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Hey ill be at maxus Grey. Come on trailer it like me and break it then go home lol. Im even loading up the spray on mine
Hmmm... what date is this, again? You're right, I'm sure not doing this just to park it in the driveway.

Heartland Park is hosting a PINKS Arm Drop event on Oct 8th and 9th - man, I would really like to get in that one!

Just dreaming, I know, but a Maxima on a Pinks event would be one heck of a rush.....

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Hey ill be at maxus Grey. Come on trailer it like me and break it then go home lol. Im even loading up the spray on mine
That's what a LOT of people are doing.

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Hmmm... what date is this, again? You're right, I'm sure not doing this just to park it in the driveway.
www.maxus09.com

June 26-28, 2009 in Washington, DC

The Drag Showdown will be at Maryland International Raceway on Sat, June 27th. We have rented out the entire track and we have it all to ourselves!

The drag classes and rules are still being compiled. I am the one in charge of all that. So let me know if you have any questions and I'll do my best to answer them.

But, go ahead and count on you qualifying for the "Maxima Unlimited" class where anything goes as long as it looks like a Maxima on the outside and you meet the normal IHRA safety rules that the track will enforce.
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