Buying an ARC AUDIO amp
01-28-2004, 11:06 AM
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jmax is right....the specs from the company dont mean much....look at any audio mag that bench tests amps...they usually note when the specs are far from what is published....damping factor is nice to know...but then again it is usually measured at 1KHz which is meaningless for bass..i dunno this thread is skewing on all sorts of tangents
01-28-2004, 11:08 AM
#42
sorry i should've posted "hey I'm a newb ...buying my first amp...I dont know the difference between 0.1 and 0.005 THD"....
and maybe then I would've found your so called lessons more comforting..
I understand the whole "human hearing" .....but
the fact the product I purchased has great specs and I have heard it in person is rewarding-
and maybe then I would've found your so called lessons more comforting..
I understand the whole "human hearing" .....but
the fact the product I purchased has great specs and I have heard it in person is rewarding-
01-28-2004, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MannyNJ2k2max
How about instead of endlessly discussing this bs-
just answer my original post or help with recommendations for components?
just answer my original post or help with recommendations for components?
diamond audio, jl audio, cdt, focal, eclipse...etc
01-28-2004, 11:21 AM
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Well, you posted as if you were looking to buy but wanted to know if the amp merited being bought. I posted the car amps i have owned to show I have a little bit of experience in this field. To be honest I have been listening to music critically sinse at least 1981, actually earier but I don't remember the date.
If you want to know how to judge what you put in your car I suggest reading this, http://www.davidnavone.com/detail.as...0BACK%20ISSUES
It is an invaluable resourse to people who don't have a EE or Physics degree.
I admit to going out of the way to purchase things that aren't in every car and every store. But I also like for the items I purchase to be of a high quality, even if it is mostly aesthetic qualities. Sound and quality come first when I choose something to go in my car. Then comes price and appearance. There are some things that I would not buy regardless of how they sound based solely on the looks. But there is nothing that I would buy just for it's appearance. A good example is Adire Audio. They look plain jane but the sound is very accurate and the price is considerably below others that don't sound as good.
If you want to know how to judge what you put in your car I suggest reading this, http://www.davidnavone.com/detail.as...0BACK%20ISSUES
It is an invaluable resourse to people who don't have a EE or Physics degree.
I admit to going out of the way to purchase things that aren't in every car and every store. But I also like for the items I purchase to be of a high quality, even if it is mostly aesthetic qualities. Sound and quality come first when I choose something to go in my car. Then comes price and appearance. There are some things that I would not buy regardless of how they sound based solely on the looks. But there is nothing that I would buy just for it's appearance. A good example is Adire Audio. They look plain jane but the sound is very accurate and the price is considerably below others that don't sound as good.
..yes bad experience with both kappas and references in previous cars
01-28-2004, 11:39 AM
#53
so i basically have to wait a while to change the
front components (right now RF 5.25 X's- not that good) off my Sounstream SA120- rear doors are stock- just ordered Arc Kar 6.5's for rear fill
Reasons I'm considering Rainbows is because Arc
distributes them - so maybe a good match....my cousin has them in his 3series and i was impressed...
front components (right now RF 5.25 X's- not that good) off my Sounstream SA120- rear doors are stock- just ordered Arc Kar 6.5's for rear fill
Reasons I'm considering Rainbows is because Arc
distributes them - so maybe a good match....my cousin has them in his 3series and i was impressed...
01-28-2004, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MannyNJ2k2max
so i basically have to wait a while to change the
front components (right now RF 5.25 X's- not that good) off my Sounstream SA120- rear doors are stock- just ordered Arc Kar 6.5's for rear fill
Reasons I'm considering Rainbows is because Arc
distributes them - so maybe a good match....my cousin has them in his 3series and i was impressed...
front components (right now RF 5.25 X's- not that good) off my Sounstream SA120- rear doors are stock- just ordered Arc Kar 6.5's for rear fill
Reasons I'm considering Rainbows is because Arc
distributes them - so maybe a good match....my cousin has them in his 3series and i was impressed...
i havent heard them, but ive heard great things about them...consider diamond audio M6 series or the eclipse, they really arent that expensive
01-28-2004, 12:11 PM
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good thing with any of DA's- they're crossovers allow you to run the rears along with the components (more versatile) so channel 3/4 of the Arc can run the sub- run everything off the same amp...options
01-28-2004, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MannyNJ2k2max
good thing with any of DA's- they're crossovers allow you to run the rears along with the components (more versatile) so channel 3/4 of the Arc can run the sub- run everything off the same amp...options
yea but its more for rear fill...a lot less output on rear
01-28-2004, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MannyNJ2k2max
jmax...what were you runnin off the Arc?
Odd, my first response disapeared. Not the first time, probably won't be the last.
I was using Diamond, 6.5, 5.25 and silk tweet. But I am upgrading, have been for about 18 months now. Using Adire Koda mids now and Accuton C23 tweets. The mids sound better, more accurate in the vocals and more efficient in the midbass. The accuton tweets are a big step up in SQ, but are a lot more difficult to mount than the tiny silk tweets. Also you would need to be able to build a custom crossover or tune an active crossover.
01-28-2004, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jmax
Odd, my first response disapeared. Not the first time, probably won't be the last.
I was using Diamond, 6.5, 5.25 and silk tweet. But I am upgrading, have been for about 18 months now. Using Adire Koda mids now and Accuton C23 tweets. The mids sound better, more accurate in the vocals and more efficient in the midbass. The accuton tweets are a big step up in SQ, but are a lot more difficult to mount than the tiny silk tweets. Also you would need to be able to build a custom crossover or tune an active crossover.
I was using Diamond, 6.5, 5.25 and silk tweet. But I am upgrading, have been for about 18 months now. Using Adire Koda mids now and Accuton C23 tweets. The mids sound better, more accurate in the vocals and more efficient in the midbass. The accuton tweets are a big step up in SQ, but are a lot more difficult to mount than the tiny silk tweets. Also you would need to be able to build a custom crossover or tune an active crossover.
u have built x-overs before?
01-28-2004, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by friendhasmax
u have built x-overs before?
01-28-2004, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jmax
Actually only on paper. Unless you consider first order high pass. I have only done that for tweeter protection. The real deal is more of a pain in the **** because mathmatically correct doesn't always equate to acoustically correct. And there is a big issue of phase. First order is 90 degrees out of phase, second order 180, third 270, etc. So there is a lot more to it than picking the correct frequency.
yea i know its difficult...im an EE student...i didnt take the class on AC filters yet...its highly mathematical..lots of complex variables...i take that next semester
02-11-2004, 07:43 AM
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....I cant wait to swap my rockhards components for some Arc's 265 in about a week....the 4150 is serious....loud and clear....with my current setup.....problem is i cant hear my subs as much any more.... I might cop the CXL 2100 or the 1500( maybe$$$) to run my subs....This company has really impressed the shyt out of me...great amp
02-11-2004, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DougJones
Manny,
I have the very same amps... black chrome w/ plexi bottom plates. I have had them for a year and haven't installed them yet. I'm running a 4150 and a 2500.
I have the very same amps... black chrome w/ plexi bottom plates. I have had them for a year and haven't installed them yet. I'm running a 4150 and a 2500.
Nice choice, Im currently running the 4150 and 2500 XXKs. They gave me a great dealer accomidation price that I couldnt refuse.
--don
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