wade2ksleeper

what are some good cheap subs. I'm not lookin for some thumpin system i'm just lookin for somethin with some decent sound quality

Rider69

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cheap subs? what is cheap to you? how much are you looking at spending and what kind of amp you gonna run to them? What is the power handling needs of the sub and the airspace you are looking to take up. What size?

Sorry, but it is very hard to offer some suggestions without first knowing what it is you have to work with.

wade2ksleeper

well i'd like to spend as little as possible, but i don't want to end up with crap, i'll have a small sealed custom made box for it by a friend, who has been making them for a few friends. I am thinkin 2 10s or one 12, or possibly one 10

Robert_J

How small? We need to know the approximate enclosure volume before recommending anything. How cheap is cheap? We really need a max $$ amount. What are you powering this with?

You can probably get any of low-end subs from the big names like Kicker, Alpine, JL, Rockford Fosgate but I suggest you look at other brands also. Acoustic-Visions sells Adire, Dayton and BP. The Adire Shiva or Dayton DVC 12 (works better than the Shiva in a small box) are good candidates. O Audio and Sound Splinter are both selling the subs based on the TC Sounds TC2+ motor. Excellent sound quality. If you want to save a few bucks, TC Sounds is selling some surplus TC2+ drivers at Audio Hole.

-Robert

kcidmil

I have had 2 12" RF punch z's for 2 1/2 years now. They run between $80-115 a piece. And usually can be found on sale. I bought mine at $65 ea. They sound best with a decent size box(anything bigger than a truck box).

Word of advice, I've kept mine running so long because I spent 1 1/2 weeks breaking in. And never pushing to the point that it's distortitng. (well maybe a few times). Basicly, take care of the sub, and it'll last longer.

Avg life for Punch Z around here, 8 months. If they actually break in the sub. One guy here blew his in 2 months.

AscendantMax

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Punch Zs are pretty cheap, but don't expect huge SPL output. They will last quite awhile if broken in properly and not abused. But that goes for all speakers.

wade2ksleeper

ok, well something around 1 cubic foot would be good but can go a little bigger, thats just for one, cost, well i'd like to get something on sale for like 50 bucks(for 1), but i can go up to 100, i am thinkin about bazooka p miller that i found for 50

AscendantMax

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My Punch HEs 10s cost 109 each when i got them about a year ago. they're replaced by the newer Punch "Stage 2". Nice output and not very power hungry.

kcidmil

I got an SPL of 147.6 out of my RF punch z. But I was also using a 500 D Memphis amp, with the subs in 2 single sealed boxes. Not bad, it got me 3rd for my class at the event. That was the time I pushed them just a little over. I now have them in a vented box. I need to go down and get the SPL done sometime. A buddy of mine owns a local car audio store, so I can get my levels metered for free.

If you want to see my setup, here's the link. http://members.cardomain.com/kcidmil

Good luck with your search

AscendantMax

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147.6 out of 2 punch Z's?! my old punch Zs will get loud, but not as loud as i would like. how big is that vented box?

wade2ksleeper

i don really want anything real loud, i'm not tryin to impress anybody with my system, its purely for myself, I just want something to give my system a little more bass.and i'm not tryin to get it all that loud loudness is out of the picture, I mean i want it to be loud enough to here and all, but i could care less about bein able to win a contest

slickrick

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no master p subs man... for $100.. hmm... 2 RE 10's which would be like $125 i think. get a 300 watt amp and your set.

wade2ksleeper

do you know anywhere i could get the RE 10s for that price, and also i meant 50-100 for 1 not 2, but getting 2 for that of course wouldn' be bad

slickrick

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each re 10 is $59 and the 12's are $69 each plus shipping. check out www.respl.com for info. if you dont have a dealer within like 30 miles i think you can order directky from them for that price.

wade2ksleeper

is the sound quality on these subs good or are they just loud

slickrick

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great sq im sure, however i have not heard these subs. but if you want big spl and sq get a XXX.

edit: how far away is brandon from gainesville?

kcidmil

That SPL is with my old 2 sealed boxes.

I'm assuming you want dimensions, so here they are. Now the dimension i'm giving are for as shown in my truck. I have it on it's end, so length has actually become height, and what would be height has become length.

The height is 17 1/2"
length is 13 1/2"
width is 34"
The vent opening is 12 x 3"

In my truck, it stands 17 1/2" tall, but if laid down in a car, it's only 13 1/2" tall.

The box was made by a company called Audio Enhancers. It was specially designed to work with the New Memphis M-Class 12" subs. (black and white M, not the colored M) In fact the Memphis Logo is on the box instead of Audio enhancers AE. My old sealed boxes have the AE logo.

I'm eventually going to move the RF back to the sealed boxes and install them in my Maxima. And put new Memphis M-Class in my truck.

I also did custom wiring. There's 10 gauge inside the box, using a o-ring type connector instead of a spade with the little 32 gauge strip of metal that comes on the terminal. 12 guage from the amp to the box. 8 gauge power and ground wire for the amp. The amp is only a 4 & 2 ohm stable. The RF are rated at 8 ohms. With the upgraded wiring, I'm pushing them at 4 ohms. That's how I got 147.6 SPL.

kcidmil

With the RF in the 2 sealed boxes, and the Memphis 500 D. It's totally clear, and can be adjusted to sound really nice, without that major boom factor. The Memphis 500 D is a Digital amp, so instead of booming, it hits clear and crisp. Give it some more signal, and it'll boost the power giving you boom on demand. I originaly set this system up for just myself (the same thing you want) Enough to give me a back massage when I wanted, and wasn't that loud. (note that in pics, the boxes are right behind the seat).

If you don't want that major boom and loudness factor. Get a set of 10"s, in a sealed box. Vented gives that pressure which causes most of the booming. Keep the gain low on the amp, and the bass all the way down on your deck. And adjust volume and gain control (if amp is equiped with remote gain control) to the lvl of bass you want.

wade2ksleeper

its outside tampa

wade2ksleeper

ok what amp would you reccomend to go with the re sub,
for both 2 10s or for one 12
also what kinda sound would i get out of a pair of 8s

And if i' not lookin for hard hits i should go wtih a couple 10s instead of one 12
Sorry about all the questions i'm a newbie when it comes to this sub thing

kcidmil

I'd love to help you on what size amp to get, but there's nothing coming up on the RE website.

If you're after sound more than hits, 10"s would be better. And defintitly in a sealed box. For what you're wanting, 1 10" can do it.

And go with 10"s, 8"s are a waste if you ask me. Using 10"s, you can uprgrade to something with more boom later on if you want, and keep the same box.

wade2ksleeper

yea i'm goin sealed, would 2 10s in 2 different boxes sound as good as 2 10s in the same box, in case I decide to go to 2 10s later

wade2ksleeper

o and also go to reaudio.com, i guess they moved or something

kcidmil

I haven't noticed any difference with 2 seperate or 1 dual box. I only had 2 seperate sealed boxes because of how my floor board was in my truck.

I'm not seeing any info on what the subs ratings are. They haven't gottent that far on their website. I need to know the specs on the subs before I can recommend a amp.

wade2ksleeper

if you click on the re series, to the left there will be 2 little white squares one says re the other says i think ts, click on the ts for specs, its only 150 rms

kcidmil

A 300 watt would do it, if you bridged the amp. Being in a car, it wouldn't really be worth setting up for each channel, Left and Right. Most songs today run the bass on both channels anyway.

If you want to setup for quality bass, and go with each one sub playing for a single channel. Find a amp that has a output of atleast a 200/2 rating.

Here's an example using a Profile AP400 amp. (DONT GET THIS ONE. IT WON'T RUN THE SUBS)
65 watts RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
100 watts RMS x 2 at 2 ohms
200 watts RMS x 1 bridged output at 4 ohms

You'd want something that has
200 watts RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
That's if you did 1 sub per channel.

slickrick

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thanks for the update. i guess ive been outta the game lately. anyway 2 8's with about 250-300 watts would be very very tight imo and i think youd like that. id take 2 8's over a 1 10.

wade2ksleeper

ok thanks for the help guys

I am gonna talk to a friend of mine who builds boxes and see how much that is gonna run me(supposedly he does a really good job), So most likely how much am i gonna be runnin for a decent amp.
I will probably buy these subs next week, now just gotta decide what size and how many, once again thanks for all your help

slickrick

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it all depends on where your buying the amp from. you can get it for probably $150 shipped on ebay.

Robert_J

RE's RE series are two ohm drivers. If you are only getting one, make sure your amp is stable into that load.

As for sound quality, Destijl Engineering (the build house side of RE) is one of the best. Beside their own RE subs, they build drivers for Adire, Blueprint, SVS and many others.

-Robert

wade2ksleeper

are you sure they are two ohm, the website said 4

Robert_J

100% positive. I have a pair of RE 8's still sitting in their shipping boxes. They measured right at 2 ohms with a Radio Shack multi-meter.

Another thing. The RE line's mechanical power handling is very dependent on the enclosure. It takes very little power to reach the 12mm xmax at 20hz. If you listen to a lot of rock music (not as much low bass) then you don't have to worry about bottoming them out.

-Robert

wade2ksleeper

you arent looking to sell these are you
and also, thats strange that they are different than the website says. Thanks for the input
and also what amp are you planning on powering these with if you keep them

slickrick

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my question to you is.. how low does music go? i hear so many different things. wouldnt you basically only need significant output down to 20 hz if your are watching movies in a home theatre setup or unless you are playing test tones?

wade2ksleeper

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...711832674&rd=1
how is this amp, it says 2 x200 at 2 ohms, so it should be powerful enough, I've heard good things about MA audio, how reliable is a refurbished amp

Robert_J

I read somewhere that the low note on a normal bass guitar is around 32Hz. Some of these "alternative" bands do have some "different" ideas on tuning. Rap and electronic music will go lower.

The average person only needs to go to 20hz for HT. I'm not average. (My wife says I'm "short bus special") Movies like Lord of the Rings has scenes with significant bass down to 10hz. I even decided agains using a high powered plate amp because they have sub-sonic filters built it. I'm building an IB with 4 TC Sounds 15's and probably a Behringer professional amp. I've got the subs but I'm waiting on the temperature of the attic to drop down to a reasonable 120 degrees.

You can get them from Visionary Audio for $100/pair shipped.

PPI 2030M to start with. 60 watts to each sub will amost push them to their limits. These are going in my '95 Max.

I haven't really kept up with amps since I bought my PPI's in '91 so my advice may be outdated. I will always stick to name brands like PPI, Orion, Phoenix Gold, etc. I know some lines of Rockford Fosgate are good but I really don't trust anything sold at Best Buy. After spending the late '80's wasting money on cheap amps (and subs) from Pyramid, I found that you get what you pay for.

-Robert