I think you are confused to what teflon wax actually is. You're thinking its like the coating on cookware (its not). What it actually is: there are teflon particles in the wax itself. When its applied the teflon particles in the wax act as a secondary repellant (hence the extremely slick feeling not normally felt with normal waxes) that keep particles from bonding to the surface. When you wash, the bonded particles flow away and the wax is left behind...which is why you have to reapply it after every wash. The wheel cleaner works the same way. Now do you see?

 

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"Teflon ®:
A synthetic polymer formula produced by Dupont Chemicals, they state;" The addition of a Teflon® fluoropolymer paint does nothing to enhance the properties of any car wax, we have no data that indicates the use of Teflon® to be beneficial in car waxes.

Teflon® requires a temperature of 680°F for it to sinter or bond to a surface." Unless you can heat the surface to the required temperature, Teflon will not bond, the claim that it will provide a ‘non-stick’, slippery surface is nothing more than marketing hype (i.e. brand recognition)"
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where did you pull that info from?

 

From Autopia. I will ask the member that posted it where he got the quote from.

 

(Source: Grisanti, Stephen, "The Truth Abouth Teflon®", Professional Carwashing & Detailing, January, 1989.)

 

you dont think they have improved teflon waxes in the last 16 years?

 

I'm sure it has. But I still believe it's nothing more than brand recognition. People hear the word Teflon and think their car's paint is going to be so easy to clean bugs and crap off because it will have a "non-stick" surface just like their cookware.
And what the hell good is it if it washes off from a wash? So anytime it rains the "Teflon" will wash away?

 

I read up some more on this, its actually a polymer sealant...not a wax. Similar to poorboys but less durable. The teflon polymer sealant bonds with the paint to form a slick layer of protection. The only problem is, its bonding strength isnt so great...and it comes off fairly easily. Now, they use a totally different formula for the wheel cleaner. It has a dual polymer and dual detergent. This makes it more durable and non harmful to wheels. After reading up, id say skip the wax, but use the wheel cleaner.

 

This is an update. The teflon Dupont works. I went to three car washes with soap and brush and the wax still beads though not the small ones as it once was. This has been over a month now. My car sits outside in the Florida sun and cats track sand on it nearly every night. Usually I just use a water hose before I leave and most of the sand comes off easier with this wax.

I am going to reapply another coat of wax probably next week or before next week. Until then I just bucket washed my car with RainX car wash. It has wax with the soap. It's good soap but I wouldn't trust it alone or on an unwaxed surface.

By the way I used the RainX soap with wax before I put the Dupont teflon wax on.

They had some marine 3M wax as I said before at wal-mart it was on sale for 2 bux regularly 12 or something high. I should of bought it but I felt I needed a buffer or something else and just didn't want to go with the hassle if it dried hard.

Another thing about this Dupont wax. I noticed I didn't get it all off and had some minor streaks left over like a few days after I waxed. I just used my finger to remove it. It was still sort of in a liquid state or very easily removed.

I am very satisfied with this product. I am going to get some pictures next time I wax or show the finished product. My paint job is barely hanging on. Nearly 250k miles and all that Florida sun will eat up some 10 or 11 year old paint teflon or not.

 

send me pictures of your car, i might be able to fix it....

 

I already painted my bumper with Tower paint last year. That is holding up real well. The hood has many chips from small pebbles. The sides are dented from old people. It's not too bad. I have seen worse. But as far as this wax goes it works. I tried to find some websites to see what they say. Some say it's great and some say it's bs.

Just two car washes and most waxes go away and this has held up the three. I purposely didn't wax my trunk and of course that doesn't bead at all. I am on a tight budget and this dupont teflon wax is great. It was hard at first to put on or take off but I got the hang of it very quickly.

 

Menzerna FMJ. You have to try this is you have a lighter colored car. Ive got over 600 bucks worth of was out in my garage; Pinnacle, Klasse, Zymol, Wolfgang,Meguiars and Autoglym. This literally blows them all away.

 

meguairs tech wax and gold class.

 

medernza topped off with pinnacle souveran for me ; )

I also like ps21s, i'll use it now and then.

 

Most waxes last well more than 3 carwashes. They just have to be applied perfectly. Also, if you are worried about durability, you might want to go with an acrylic sealant topped off with a nice carnuba wax. That way, you just reapply the topwax for looks, and the acrylic sealant will last 6+ months for protection.

 

For reds/yellows- Souveran is best

Dark colors - P21s

Light colors - Menzerma FMJ on top of klasse

 

Souveran is great for black, too. I have used it on my 2k2 and......WOW!

 

Menzerna is fairly new for me. Do you top the FMJ over the Klasse SG or the AIO?

 

I like McGuiars Spray on while drying the best, It makes my car slippery, and shiny as h3ll! Also it smells good to

 

I like the NXT myself.

 

I've tried various Meguier's & 3M products....for my black Max, Pinnacle Souveran consistently produces the best results.

I wax monthly and can do this car in <45 minutes with Souveran....it's very easy and quick to get on and off...

 

Does anyone have any links and how expensive are most of the waxes?

 

Check the autopia store and/or www.properautocare.com

 

OK, I just did the following and I am happy with the results but I think it could be better.... I washed, dried, claymagic, Meguiars Quik Detail followed by Meguiars Gold Class Clear Coat Liquid wax. The paint has never felt/looked better. Should I follow this up with NXT Tech, S100, Klasse, or Menzerna FMJ. or just put another coat of the Megiars Gold Class Clear Coat?

 

Acrylics like Klasse will not bond to waxed paint. You should have applied Klasse first. However, you can dawn wash it to strip the wax off. Use Klasse All-in-one and the Sealant Glaze to shine it up real good, then top it off with a coat of wax if you want.

 

Curious to know what the difference is between the S100 and the P21S (other than price)

 

Personally, with what you've already done, I'd use NXT.
NXT quickly became my favorite when it was released 2 years ago. Easy on, wipe off, and very slick. The appearance is very reflective, and it makes darker colors look fuller and deeper. On my Arctic Pearl White, it makes it look very clean and reflective. Putting a carnauba (like Meg's #16, my favorite carnauba) over top adds depth even to white. I have also found NXT very durable, even more so than Four Star Ultimate Paint Protection (UPP), but slightly less than #16 during a side-side-side test.

Dave

 

Vt- Nothing.

I can say as of this point in time, 3m polish, topped with s100..is still my favorite. I think i may go do that right now actually

 

S100 it is. I'll go rustle up some after I go through the rest of my NXT.

 

Souveran also works very well on Gray Lustre and Charcoal Pearl. Let's just say I know that from personal experience.

 

Another nice sealant that people snooze on is Autoglym's Extra High Gloss Paint Protection. For example, aliti19's Max had AIO topped with EGP and S100. As one person said, that car looked like it was dipped in wet.

 

Should I use and acrylic or claybaring before applying a wax such as NXT tech??? This is a newbie question btw 'eh.

 

Collinite Marquis D'elegance (spelling is prob all wrong)

 

"McGuiars"

hahahahhaha

 

Autoglym SRP, EGP followed by P21S:



Excellent bang for the buck combo. A bit too much gloss for my taste but stunning results nevertheless.

 

Stunning indeed. Your car is smokin!

 

i've used Souveran and was impressed with the results, but, i was wondering if anything better exists for Pebble / Sand CG2?

 

I just tried Poorboys EX this past weekend (in the past I used PUPP exclusively). I was very pleased with it, easy on but a little harder to remove than PUPP. It left a brilliant shine on my wifes Forester XT.

On my Max, PUPP always left a haze after SSR25/SSR2. We'll see how this stuff goes next time I do the Max.

Bonka,

Thats absolutely beautiful! Nice job!

 

Collinite

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Cannot stress that enough. One of the best choices around for the price.