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Old May 11, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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Great job Dandy. Awesome numbers.
Old May 11, 2008 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
Which cams (ie how much lift?). Check out this graph. It tells the story. The HR springs + shim set are slightly cheaper than JWT from DaveB IIRC.
Same as yours(I think)
My cams for my n/a motor=260/260 duration 10.9 lift.
Jwt doesnt recommend going above 7200rpms
My "former" machinest suggested no more than 7500 with the: jwt springs, arp rod bolts, & stock oil pump.
So im still thinking about reving to 7500 with a jwt ecu.

I read the graph... Its seems as though I will be better off with the Vq35HR dbl shim next build. Thankyou.
Old May 12, 2008 | 05:10 AM
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With the stock oil pump I wouldn't go over 7200
Old May 12, 2008 | 05:23 AM
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OMG!!!!!! I'm getting even more anxious!!!!!!
Old May 12, 2008 | 05:32 AM
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^^^ Kevin, are you buying his motor?

Dan, that is very impressive. Are you planning to beat this at the track, or take it out, sell it, and then drop in the 3.5?

I'm curious, what's your next project after the Maxima? Have you been thinking of that?

Also, which tracks are you hitting this year, if you haven't started? I saved my light rims for Cayuga, but if I sell them, I'll be keeping the I30 as a daily driver, and picking up something smaller and lighter for the track.

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Old May 12, 2008 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by accordingtou
Same as yours(I think)
My cams for my n/a motor=260/260 duration 10.9 lift.
Jwt doesnt recommend going above 7200rpms
My "former" machinest suggested no more than 7500 with the: jwt springs, arp rod bolts, & stock oil pump.
So im still thinking about reving to 7500 with a jwt ecu.

I read the graph... Its seems as though I will be better off with the Vq35HR dbl shim next build. Thankyou.
Another thing I might do is switch to the HR retainers as well...

I think the stock oil pump might be ok at 7500, as long as you have the stock crank pulley on there (ie damped), but I can't be certain. SR20DEN was revving up there for a long time and IIRC he didn't even have a stock pulley, but I could be wrong, I'm not 100% sure.
Old May 12, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by renman
Dan, that is very impressive. Are you planning to beat this at the track, or take it out, sell it, and then drop in the 3.5?

I'm curious, what's your next project after the Maxima? Have you been thinking of that?
The DEK is VERY close to coming out of the car. There's a chance I *may* hit the track once more to chase a 12.5x but only if a friend of mine ends up going in the next couple weeks. I definitely want to have the DEK out of the car by about the end of the month (or sooner even), otherwise the 3.5 project will get delayed, there's a lot of work left on that yet besides actually just putting the engine in, and I've gone just about as far as I care to with the 3L. Time to move on to bigger/better...

Next project after the Maxima will be a RWD setup. I haven't decided for sure on the platform yet but there are a few I'm considering. In any case that's still a few years off.
Old May 13, 2008 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
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So, you were optimally 'tuned' for the atmospheric conditions?

Originally Posted by DaveVQ
HEHE, My car is being built exactly like dandy's except I'll be adding a few other things here and there. Could I be the first VQ to break the 300whp mark Its not gonna happen I know.........
But you're auto... aren't you?
Old May 13, 2008 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX


So, you were optimally 'tuned' for the atmospheric conditions?
Yes I was. Probably spent the better part of 2 hrs tuning on the dyno. I also have an air temperature map that corrects for varying conditions such that my AFR doesn't stray all over the place.
Old May 13, 2008 | 07:10 AM
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Wow... I'm late on this, but those are awesome numbers.

Maybe I should do a DE-K swap into my 2002? It'll save me some oil in the long run
Old May 13, 2008 | 08:34 AM
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Yes I was. Probably spent the better part of 2 hrs tuning on the dyno. I also have an air temperature map that corrects for varying conditions such that my AFR doesn't stray all over the place.
Is this incorporated into your EU 'tuning'?

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Maybe I should do a DE-K swap into my 2002? It'll save me some oil in the long run
Old May 13, 2008 | 08:52 AM
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Is this incorporated into your EU 'tuning'?
Um... why the quotes around tuning? Yes it's all done in the EU...
Old May 13, 2008 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
Um... why the quotes around tuning? Yes it's all done in the EU...
Because I don’t like to use the word so loosely. But, in your case, and definitely in your case, it IS tuning. Habit.
Old May 14, 2008 | 05:20 AM
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Congrat Dandy, your pulling some very very nice numbers, I think with a P & P jobs on the LIM - UIM - Heads you would probably hit the 300 hp.
Old May 14, 2008 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by doublea
Congrat Dandy, your pulling some very very nice numbers, I think with a P & P jobs on the LIM - UIM - Heads you would probably hit the 300 hp.
Hmm, dunno... but I'm not putting any more work into it now, not worth it to me as the 3.5 awaits. The heads were not ported but I did do some bowl and surface finish work throughout, casting cleanup, etc and the openings (heads to LIM to UIM) are all well matched also.
Old May 14, 2008 | 11:31 AM
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Check out the spec on the stock 3.0L heads versus the same P & P:

Stock P & P
Intake port width: 55.35 mm 57.50 mm
Intake port hight: 32 mm 34.50 mm
Exhaust port width: 44.65 mm 49.50 mm

My vernier caliper was calibered just before taking measurement.

On the intake port I couldn't shaved as much material as I wanted, I was limited by the LIM's ports width, it's pretty much the maximum I could shaved.

The inside of the ports are also much wider than they where originally, those heads will defenitely flow much better, but that's all theory until we dyno'd.
Old May 14, 2008 | 01:47 PM
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Well there is a lot more to porting than just hogging out/opening the whole passage up, sometimes that's actually counterproductive (as I think I've mentioned before).

But anyways, I'll look forward to seeing your results, I hope it turns out well for you. Any idea when you'll be ready to dyno your engine?
Old May 14, 2008 | 03:20 PM
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Dude you are the man.
Old May 14, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
Well there is a lot more to porting than just hogging out/opening the whole passage up, sometimes that's actually counterproductive (as I think I've mentioned before).
Huge +1.


In some cases even ADDING material in certain spots can be beneficial. It's all about velocity, even at high RPM.

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Old May 14, 2008 | 09:17 PM
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That is some great power, keep up the good work cant wait to see what your 3.5 comes out making
Old May 15, 2008 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
Well there is a lot more to porting than just hogging out/opening the whole passage up, sometimes that's actually counterproductive (as I think I've mentioned before).

But anyways, I'll look forward to seeing your results, I hope it turns out well for you. Any idea when you'll be ready to dyno your engine?
I took the week off to rest & finish the P&P, so hopefully by early next week I'll drop the heads at the machine shop so they can do the valve jobs. The machine shop will probably do the heads within a month, then I should be able to re-assemble the engine by July-August, after what I'll have to send the engine for reciprocating > I found a local reputable shop to balance the entire engine once the assembling is done.

Congrats again on those great numbers.
Old May 15, 2008 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by nismology
Huge +1.


In some cases even ADDING material in certain spots can be beneficial. It's all about velocity, even at high RPM.
Specially near the valve bore, the air flow doesn't like 90 degree angle but I'll ask the machine shop to flow bench the heads and see the result.
Old May 19, 2008 | 08:55 AM
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Simply awesome. Expect a lot of traffic from this, .org guys know their VQ's.
Old May 19, 2008 | 11:51 AM
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I don't get it...

Cams = 40whp?????

Wow.
Old May 19, 2008 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by skuccio's max
I don't get it...

Cams = 40whp?????

Wow.
How did you do your math? Dandy has way more than cams, as we should all know if we're posting in here.
Old May 19, 2008 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
How did you do your math? Dandy has way more than cams, as we should all know if we're posting in here.
Never mind that... I wasn't thinking...

Question though, how do you get 3.5 cams in a 3.0? You have to use those adapters???
Old May 20, 2008 | 12:20 PM
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yes you have to have adapters so that you can use the 3L timing parts
Old May 20, 2008 | 01:45 PM
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.. or something that does the same thing. I didn't get adapters, I had my sprockets machined and spacers made...

look here for a pic of what I mean

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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 11:28 AM
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Dandy those are some serious numbers. I will be happy to see that number on my 7lbs of boost, that is awesome. Now i can rub it in my friends K20 RSX that the VQ30 has some potential too with the right person behind the build. NICE!!
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 10:38 PM
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This DE-K isn't a "built" motor.
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 10:53 PM
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i really hope my eu can do half of what u did with urs. those are impressive numbers, they deff inspire me to get my car up and running

all u powerful 4, 4.5, and 5.5 gens are out there kickin a$$ we need more 5.0s im working on doing my part. hopefully 250whp at one point
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 12:04 AM
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Holy Crap Dandy thats crazy!!!

Its funny. Your HP numbers are putting some of these VQ35 guys to shame. If only the VQ30 made the torque the 3.5 made of.

Its going to be nice to see what your capable of making with a VQ35 properly tuned and driven.

Way to go man, huge props!!!
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 96blkonblkse
Holy Crap Dandy thats crazy!!!

Its funny. Your HP numbers are putting some of these VQ35 guys to shame. If only the VQ30 made the torque the 3.5 made of.

Its going to be nice to see what your capable of making with a VQ35 properly tuned and driven.

Way to go man, huge props!!!
I second this motion down to the teeth. amazing #s!
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 12:58 PM
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i'm definatly excited what you can do with the 3.5!!

great numbers!
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 02:35 PM
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Sweet numbers Dandy!!


I am glad the budget shim/spring idea worked out.
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SR20DEN
Sweet numbers Dandy!!


I am glad the budget shim/spring idea worked out.
Seems like I haven't seen you in ages on here
Old Jul 17, 2008 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SR20DEN
Sweet numbers Dandy!!


I am glad the budget shim/spring idea worked out.
Yeah that was a key part of it for sure. If not for the oil pump I could have gone to 8000 easily, maybe 8200. Thanks again for doing the spring pressure testing, that started my wheels turning when I saw I actually had some numbers to compare.
Old Jul 21, 2008 | 02:11 PM
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wow amazing results!
congratz man!!!
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