Then go grow your own gasoline!
Oh, wait...

 

I didn't read through the entire thread, but wanted to add some comments I didn't observe in skimming.

The Nitrogen is part of a deposit control additive. All gasolines are required by law to contain deposit control additives, which all contain Nitrogen; Shell just chose to market their fuel based upon this element. The dose rates for these additives are in parts per million (ppm), and will not affect fueling, air to fuel ratio or however one wants to examine the situation.

The hydrocarbon portion of gasoline is a fungible product (interchangeable from source to source) and is generally locally sourced. The distinction between gasoline brands is the additive package and dose rate.

Since the base hydrocarbon stock is usually interchangeable, large differences in fuel economy are hard to believe as the energy density (content) doesn't vary greatly at a point in time. The main source of differences in FE are generally from comparisons between E10 and non-ethanol fuels, and fuels across seasonal changes.

Ethanol is not really a scam, it's more a subsidy to farmers, IMHO. Although it does have some credence in the energy independence argument.

 

Ethanol will ruin certain parts on your car after time (catalytic converter,certain rubberized parts) in your motor and so on. It just takes longer when there is 10% in the fuel supply. And for it being energy independent ok yes you can keep growing corn however the amount of water and land that it would use is not efficient at all. Hydrogen is the way to go we have plenty of sea water that can be used once you clean it up. And for gasoline they can make automobiles get over 100 miles to the gallon they just chose not to it would bankrupt the oil companies!!! And I had a flex fuel car and used E85 in it the gas mileage went from 20 to 13 miles to the gallon that is pretty bad makes you fill your car up twice as much and it is diffidently not cost efficient when E85 is only .25 less a gallon then gas.

 

Uh, fuel system materials are compatible with ethanol, at least to 10%. Do you know of fuel system failures due to material incompatibilities? Or how a catalytic converter could be destroyed by ethanol?

Food for fuel is a real issue, and there are alternative crops which can be utilized to improve this aspect of alcohol (sugar) based fuels.

Ha, hydrogen is the continual fuel of the future; in 20 years it will still be the fuel of the future. Do you know what it takes to 'clean it up' into hydrogen?

Comic gold. The autos (manufacturers) don't care greatly about the oils (industry).

Your FFV's Monroney sticker should've told you the 'gasoline' and E85 fuel economies. FE will greatly diminish with E85, ~35% reduction (value pulled off the top of my head).

OMGWTF!?, big business is killing technological innovation to stay alive. Where are the black silent helicopters?

Please note the sarcasmic nature of this post, but with real points.

 

Psh getting ethanol from corn is a scam. Not only do food prices go up, but all the tractors and fertilizers that are used to grow the corn are fueled by DINO OIL.

So basically we're spending oil to get ethanol. Not really saving oil are we? =)

 

This is correct. I saw a CBC "Nature of Things" documentary years ago, and in an aerial view of harvest machinery in operation, the commentator said: "it takes more energy to plant and harvest this grain than we can get out of it as ethanol". So yes, the business is largely a government subsidy to corn growers. Stupid in the long run, but politicians are blind to the long run.

 

Locally, we make ethanol from straw, a waste product.

And Ferrari used it last weekend, quite successfully.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/stor...rari-fuel.html

 

The nitrogen refers to the nitrogen atoms in the amines, which are used as detergents, such as PEA(poly ether amine) used in the Shell and Chevron gasolines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amine

Many people think of nitrogen gas(N2), the inert gas that makes up 80% of our atmosphere. That's not the case here. Nitrogen when combined with other elements, particularly hydrogen and oxygen is quite reactive. NH3(ammonia), NO2(TNT), and NO3(Ammonium Nitrate, another great explosive).

 

dont know a damn thing about nitrogen in gas. do know that its grrreeaattt in your tires.

 

My wife just got a raise @ work. That raise included a Shell company gas card. I'm now a happy user of nitrogen enriched fuel!

 

Let's not go forgetting N2O...

 

i get it bc my mastercard rebates me 5% on shell purchases each statement and 1% everything else

did we mention top tier gas in this thread yet?