Loe max

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Pretty rims for sure! They look like steam rollers when the BMW is moving. You can get factory clears on a 740i also

MAX2000JP

What are you smoking?? A LS400 will get smoked by a 740i at any speed.

Burton069

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Bimmer's are highway monsters. Also someone said no problems with the M3? I think the NEWER M3's have had a ton of engine failurs.

The Lex GS is a hot ride, has everything, more sorty than the LS. How much is a 740 going to cost compares to the GS?

Maxima06071

about the same the way I have it figured. Unless the 740i(or I may reconsider I took a look a some 6spd 540is and lesser 5 series yesterday) has some major problems with it that aren't covered under its 5yr/100,000mile warrenty.

Loe max

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LS400 will walk away from it on the highway

LS400 has 290HP, similar gearing to the GS400, and has a .28cd of drag all while being electronically limited to 149mph.

Did I mention the LS400 has better power/weight ratio?

Why wouldn't it hold its own against the 740i?

CoolMax

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Those wheels are a must; the clear corners too.
It's my favorite large car with that package

MAX2000JP

A 740i will walk a LS400 at any speeds, especially the highway. If you think that a LS400 will walk a 740i on the highway, I think you should do a little research.

BriGuyMax

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And you base this on what logic???

740i is heavier and has less power....I know you never ran a 99-03 LS400-430 with your dad's 740iL. In essence you have nothing to base your THEORY on but your "BMW is best" point of view.

MAX2000JP

I knew someone would say this....So lets compare times in the mags. The 740i was faster in the C&D comparo a few years back. I dont see either car at the track, so in this case mag racing is the standard.

BriGuyMax

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BLAH BLAH BLAH....mag times

One of the only guys on ClubLexus who actually has run his LS at the track ran 14.5@97 last week....show me a 740 running a 14.5.

MAX2000JP

Why arent mag times valid in this case....I have yet to see a 7 series or LS's at any tracks around here. On paper the 740i is faster, leave it at that.

BTW...Nice comparison of a Modded LS430 vs a Stock 740i

BriGuyMax

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First of all, they didn't make the LS430 in 99. Second, since when does a drop-in K&N filter give you hp to actually turn the 1/4 mile faster?

MAX2000JP

LS400 my mistake. From those pictures that K&N filter is the same as a HAI intake for the Maxima, which makes decent power. The car also had an exhaust mod.

The LS400 isnt faster than the 740i. The LS430 is a new vehicle(i know they made it in the last gen) and should be compared to the 745i.

BriGuyMax

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The 740i isn't faster than the LS400

MAX2000JP

Just to win the arguement.....The 7 series owns the LS in the handling department and braking.

BriGuyMax

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Just to win the argument back...the LS OWNS the 7 series in REFINEMENT, RIDE QUALITY and FEATURES...which are what people who are buying those class of cars BUY THEM FOR.

MAX2000JP

Cant win the arguement with opinions....The E38 7 was a more advanced car than the last gen LS. As for refinement, I disagree with that.

The new LS430 is has a lot of nice features, but compare it to the 745i and it gets blown away, technology wise. I-drive hasnt gotten rave reviews, but is something that will most likely be followed.

BriGuyMax

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deezo

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All I know is that I got into a race with a 740iL when I had my 97 V70 GLT and although the guy took off before I did, he could not pull from me.

Note: I'm not saying the Bimmer is slow.

SteVTEC

The LS400 is a good 300-400 lb lighter than a 740i.
It also have a lower drag coefficient if I'm not mistaken.

Wheel horsepower is similar, but the LS keeps making it up to 6000rpm whereas the BMW drops off after 5400rpm or so, giving the Lexus a good bit more top-end. It can hold shorter gears for longer than the BMW can.

So I think an LS400 is certainly going to outrun a 740i in highway drags, and most likely in the 1/4 mile too. I know a GS400 will smoke the crap out of a 740i on the highway (simulated it in CarTest), and the LS400 is only a little bit heavier.

ardika

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I have had Volvos for weeks now (rental car in San Diego, Milwaukee, and Detroit), and the bottom line is, you don't want to get yourself a Volvo if you have had a Maxima.

The S60 is very nice, but it has no leg room in the back. True, you could push the driver's seat again, but it will be very tight. The V70 (I had one in San Diego) overheated when I was climbing Yosemite National Park and Sequioia National Park. It was equipped with +/- for manual shifting, but it was overheating and I could smell something burning from the cabin.

If I were you, I would go for a a 740iL.

BriGuyMax

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Thank you for injecting some COMMON SENSE into this thread, as some people simply do not understand physics.

Bluebird

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I just checked your profile and it says you were born on 11/29/86 and you’re a student. If my math is right, this means you’re 15. If my math is slightly off then you might be 16. If the info in your profile is correct and you’re looking at buying a BMW that my parents can’t afford, something isn’t right here. Please let me know if I made a mistake somewhere or if your parents just have money pouring out of their orifices. I really hope I made a mistake.

dwapenyi

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Just some clarifications;

There's the 740i and the 740iL, the difference being that the iL has a longer wheelbase. Look at the back door. So, the 740iL may not be the fairest comparison seeing that it has the same motor pulling a heavier body. The quotes of 0-60 are all probably the 740i.

Do Bimmer guys actually mod their 7 series? I know a guy who has the 528i. A CAI for that car costs $500, exhaust costs something like $900. And this is on the 5 series. If they even make mods for the 7, it'll probably be more, and I don't see alot of 7 series owner modding anyways. I gather that the Lexus thatt are being compared to are modded. No??

Just my 7 cents

DW

Maxima06071

Haha, Yeah, I share my account with my dad, he's 45. I am 15(16 in one month or so), but you can note that I am very mature for my age. I mostly hang around with people in their 20's and 30's. In fact, I can't stand most kids my age.
Back to the car I'm leaning towards getting a 1999-2001 BMW 5-series or 7-series. I found a merlot 1999 BMW 528i with 40,678miles on the clock. The real plus is it's only $20,060 and it still has it's 5yr/100,000 mile warrenty.

Anuj

Thanks.

MAX2000JP

Computer programs arent always accurate. M&T and C&D has test the 740iL vs LS400/430 and the Bimmer was faster. Neither cars are race cars, but the 7 series sportier. The LS is the Japenese version of a Deville.

Lime

if you are switching from a maxima who gives a rat's butt? PW PW.

Maxima06071

[quote][b]Lime-[b] if you are switching from a maxima who gives a rat's butt? PW PW.[quote] Well I'm sorry reall I am Boo hoo I just need something BIGGER.
I'd really like to just keep the Maxima, but I'm really not a fan of my autotragic tranz. Maybe a Volkswagon Eurovan?

Bags

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well whatever car you end up with.. maybe when it gets warmer again, yall can bring it by here and I'll cook

also look at the passat w8

SteVTEC

I wasn't talking about computer programs, I was talking about Newtonian Physics. And in case you didn't know, computer programs based off of real-world physics (like cartest) also put satellites and space shuttles in orbit, and land them too

LS400: 0.29 Cd, 3890lb, 290 HP rated
740i: 0.32 Cd, 4250lb, ~290 HP actual (rated 282)

70mph Roll-on to 1/2 mile and 1 mile

LS400 (1/2 mile): 18.06s @ 119.6 mph
740i (1/2 mile): 18.30s @ 116.7 mph

LS400 (1 mile): 32.02s @ 136.4 mph
740i (1 mile): 32.63s @ 132.8 mph

At 1/2 mile out the LS400 will be a quarter second ahead (that's A LOT of car-lengths at 120mph! ) and pulling away by 3 mph. At 1 mile out the LS400 will be over a half second ahead (even MORE car-lengths) and still walking away.

That's one freakin FAST DeVille!

MAX2000JP

I cannot find the article I was reffering to, but it was in C&D maybe 3 years ago. The 740iL was the fastest in every acceleration test and won the comparison overall. Now when u tested the 740i did you use the 2.81 gearing or the optional 3.15. You could get a 3.15 gear and high stall TC on with the sport package on the 740i. I also just read a M&T article last year and the LS430 post like a low 6 second 0-60 which was faster than the 6.7 posted by the 740iL in another article. The 7 series was not tested in this comparison because they were waiting for the 745i to come out. They both are quick cars, but the LS rides and handles too much like a Cadillac. The E38 7 is a better overall performance vehicle, everyone can agree with that.

That program you use is neat, but it isnt entirely accurate. It might use real world data, but so does a lot of the desktop 1/4 mile calculator's and Desktop Dyno's.

SteVTEC

Not sure which gear set it had in by default, but even if it was the taller ones, I seriously doubt the 3.15's would make a difference. At high speeds, an 0.32 drag coefficient is a relative brick wall compared to the Lex with the 0.29.

CarTest2000 isn't a cheesy javascript 1/4 mile calculator. Its accuracy is only limited by the accuracy of the data parameters you have entered.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevte...Test2000_1.jpg
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevte...Test2000_2.jpg
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevte...Test2000_3.jpg
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevte...Test2000_9.jpg

It agreed with me when I pulled a car and a half on that CL-S from 0-80. It also told me I'd get pulled on after that, and sure enough the CL-S was starting to pull, just when the race ended.

It's never lied to me yet, and I've done A LOT of number crunching with it from both my own little street encounters and many others' here

You can say that the 740i is a better performer overall, but you'd better be talking about handling. On the highway the 740i gets by an LS400

MAX2000JP

I dont agree with your data. Bimmers arent geared for 0-60, but rather autobahn blasting. Every test except one in Mags, the 7 was quicker in acceleration 0-130 (C&D). I dont have time to do a search right now. Honestly no car will own either. They are pretty evenly matched, just like the 540 vs GS430. In total performance meaning acceleration, braking, and handling the 7 is the clear winner.

As for your program, its nice but it isnt 100% accurate. For example, in your races did u factor in total weight? I am not talking about curb weight, but with gas and driver. I know you are a big guy, so that hampers acceleration a bit.

SteVTEC

Where do you ever go 0-130?

The stuff I ran was from 70 mph onward, which is what you would typically have in a highway race. It could be that the 7-series has a big enough advantage down low that it still beats an LS400 from 0-130, time-wise. But this was a much different, and more realistic race.

And magazine times *are* 100% accurate? LOL, musta missed the memo on that one

Picture #2. 160lb driver weight and 30lb fuel weight. And same standard weather conditions for both cars. The program ensures you have a completely level playing field when comparing the cars, which you don't get in mag times.

Mag times always have a *HUGE* variation. As long as your model is accurate in CarTest (and they usually are), you'll come out with very accurate real-world performance figures that are more accurate (much less variabliity) than mags.

It's a simple matter of physics. The LS400 has less weight, equal power (with more top-end bias for an advantage), and much better aerodynamics. The 7-series might get it at lower speeds, and I agree that it'll probably handle and brake better than an LS (but I haven't looked up stats), but it's simply not gonna take it on the highway.

Slowpoke

M3 Engine failure is NOT a myth, at least in E46's. Here is a list of about 100 incidences.

http://members.roadfly.com/jason/frame1.htm

Yes, I realize the examples you cite are E36, but the original post did not specify

MAX2000JP

OK I did a little net search via Craig Macks favorite site. I will take back by previous analysis that the LS400 is slower. They are almost DEAD EVEN 0-100 and have the same trap speed. Thus, on the highway no car is going to walk the other. In essence it is a drivers race. The best 0-100 for the 740 was 16.5 to the LS's 16.7 IIRC. IMO mag times are more valid than a computer based program.

AznWontonboy

Maxima06071

Aww Man that was so fun man! I got my butt handed to me in GranTurismo3 though, I usually rule at that game!
I'll definately make it down next time you host a party. I probably won't be getting this mystery ride until march. So I'll still be *rollin'* in my maxibus 'till then.
Make sure you invite Mert again, that guy was awesome!
I've looked at the new W8, but I just don't have the Ben Franklins to set up a deal on that baby. There's a big auto show coming to Birmingham in a couple weeks so I might be able to strike a deal there.
I was actually at a Toyota dealership yesterday looking at those new Matrix XRS's and did you know they have a 9000rpm redline!
They're nice but again way to small for me.
Later-
Jeff Catt

dwapenyi

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It's even more tragic when you see that it is the current M3, not any of the older ones. Tisk, tisk BMW.

DW