So the new Z is now a killer
10-20-2002, 10:55 AM
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Re: Re: So the new Z is now a killer
Originally posted by Frank Fontaine
But look at the troubles people have had with SC's on the forum. It's a shame to take a 40k 350Z, put that s*** in and then need new seals, blowers, rebuilds, warranty denials, etc. Yep, the Z is a 40k car try to buy one for that mysterious 26k price, we're not talking maximas where 6-spd = 21995!
But look at the troubles people have had with SC's on the forum. It's a shame to take a 40k 350Z, put that s*** in and then need new seals, blowers, rebuilds, warranty denials, etc. Yep, the Z is a 40k car try to buy one for that mysterious 26k price, we're not talking maximas where 6-spd = 21995!
Dave
10-20-2002, 11:00 AM
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Dave B is right, the vortech is good, but...
Roots is crazy style, you get all you want right off the line and the damn things are reliable as hell. The dude at Stillen (I forgot his name) said they may sell them with just 6psi pulley which should be good for around high 300's at about 4K. I surely hope the Z with a blower could compete with the 03 Cobra, that would be nice especially considering you have a V8 built for boost, that is intercooled with 8:1 compression and just built for boost and a V6 with 10:1 that was built for all motor...that would be rad.
Roots is crazy style, you get all you want right off the line and the damn things are reliable as hell. The dude at Stillen (I forgot his name) said they may sell them with just 6psi pulley which should be good for around high 300's at about 4K. I surely hope the Z with a blower could compete with the 03 Cobra, that would be nice especially considering you have a V8 built for boost, that is intercooled with 8:1 compression and just built for boost and a V6 with 10:1 that was built for all motor...that would be rad.
10-20-2002, 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
Dave B is right, the vortech is good, but... Roots is crazy style, you get all you want right off the line and the damn things are reliable as hell. The dude at Stillen (I forgot his name) said they may sell them with just 6psi pulley which should be good for around high 300's at about 4K. I surely hope the Z with a blower could compete with the 03 Cobra, that would be nice especially considering you have a V8 built for boost, that is intercooled with 8:1 compression and just built for boost and a V6 with 10:1 that was built for all motor...that would be rad.
Dave B is right, the vortech is good, but...
Roots is crazy style, you get all you want right off the line and the damn things are reliable as hell. The dude at Stillen (I forgot his name) said they may sell them with just 6psi pulley which should be good for around high 300's at about 4K. I surely hope the Z with a blower could compete with the 03 Cobra, that would be nice especially considering you have a V8 built for boost, that is intercooled with 8:1 compression and just built for boost and a V6 with 10:1 that was built for all motor...that would be rad.
Dave
10-20-2002, 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by 03BlkSETE
From a business point of view it would be crazy for Stillen to make a SC for just the 350z. The will alway be many more Altima's and Max's and the road then 350z.
From a business point of view it would be crazy for Stillen to make a SC for just the 350z. The will alway be many more Altima's and Max's and the road then 350z.
Hopefully all the Z owners know what a VQ is or I would feel sorry for the car.
10-20-2002, 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Dave B
6 psi on a Roots blower won't get you high 300s. I don't know where Stillen is getting their numbers from unless they're doing some Riceboy math. Right off the bat, the 350Z puts down ~240rwhp and ~225rwtq correct? A 6 psi Roots will add ~40rwhp and 50rwtq. That right there is good for low 13s at around 105mph. I would be very scared to run anything more that 8 psi on the Z motor. It's just not made for boost and Roots blowers generate a ton of heat. ICs for Roots blowers are complicated and there just isn't the room for the IC (they usually sit between the block and blower on a Roots).
Dave
6 psi on a Roots blower won't get you high 300s. I don't know where Stillen is getting their numbers from unless they're doing some Riceboy math. Right off the bat, the 350Z puts down ~240rwhp and ~225rwtq correct? A 6 psi Roots will add ~40rwhp and 50rwtq. That right there is good for low 13s at around 105mph. I would be very scared to run anything more that 8 psi on the Z motor. It's just not made for boost and Roots blowers generate a ton of heat. ICs for Roots blowers are complicated and there just isn't the room for the IC (they usually sit between the block and blower on a Roots).
Dave
10-20-2002, 05:38 PM
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Blower might be too small
- That black Z with the blower looks pretty wicked. My only beef is that it looks like its an Eaton M62 model... If it is, it might not be thermally efficient enough for all 3.5 liters under the hood.
- Some of the Miata guys have been messing around with M62's. They were tired of the smaller M45 heating the intake charge too much under higher boost levels. The larger M62 was much more thermally efficient, but it required a PITA stand-alone engine management system, so only two or three guys had ones running/being built.
- I'm afraid that the Stillen kit will be to the Z what the Jackson Racing M45 kit is to the Miata guys. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Good thing Eaton makes even bigger blowers. Hee hee hee.
- My gut says that Nissan is developing a turbo VQ motor, although it may be for the Skyline (Skyline will definitely be built on the FM platform - the front suspension has been built to incorporate all-wheel drive, according to SCC). I saw pictures of the engine on some Japanese site while I was surfing around one day. I couldn't read anything (it was all in Japanese), but the caption under the photo specifically read VQ35DETT. It was a wicked looking engine - black powdercoat on everything with blue anodized fittings. Me likee very much. I have the picture saved and will try to figure out how to post it in a minute.
- Some of the Miata guys have been messing around with M62's. They were tired of the smaller M45 heating the intake charge too much under higher boost levels. The larger M62 was much more thermally efficient, but it required a PITA stand-alone engine management system, so only two or three guys had ones running/being built.
- I'm afraid that the Stillen kit will be to the Z what the Jackson Racing M45 kit is to the Miata guys. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Good thing Eaton makes even bigger blowers. Hee hee hee.
- My gut says that Nissan is developing a turbo VQ motor, although it may be for the Skyline (Skyline will definitely be built on the FM platform - the front suspension has been built to incorporate all-wheel drive, according to SCC). I saw pictures of the engine on some Japanese site while I was surfing around one day. I couldn't read anything (it was all in Japanese), but the caption under the photo specifically read VQ35DETT. It was a wicked looking engine - black powdercoat on everything with blue anodized fittings. Me likee very much. I have the picture saved and will try to figure out how to post it in a minute.
10-20-2002, 05:41 PM
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I dont know, there are sooo many rumors, I heard there is already a turbo kit in Japan and some guy in the US already has it, he is supposed to be on the Z site. I also heard Nissan is developing an all new line up and changing the engine from a VQ to a VR...all just rumors.
10-20-2002, 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
I dont know, there are sooo many rumors, I heard there is already a turbo kit in Japan and some guy in the US already has it, he is supposed to be on the Z site. I also heard Nissan is developing an all new line up and changing the engine from a VQ to a VR...all just rumors.
I dont know, there are sooo many rumors, I heard there is already a turbo kit in Japan and some guy in the US already has it, he is supposed to be on the Z site. I also heard Nissan is developing an all new line up and changing the engine from a VQ to a VR...all just rumors.
A Z without a turbo is a like a ricer without an aluminum wing.
10-20-2002, 05:51 PM
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- The only reason Nissan would change engines to a potential VR series would be if the VQ doesn't meet emissions. Even then, it will take at least a few years before they do that. They would never have released the VQ35DE if it didn't meet upcoming emissions laws. Too much money spent in tooling costs and research.
- Alright, I can't figure out how to get this stupid picture posted. I think that you have to provide a link, and I don't have the site. I'll email it to someone else if they want to post it.
- Alright, I can't figure out how to get this stupid picture posted. I think that you have to provide a link, and I don't have the site. I'll email it to someone else if they want to post it.
10-20-2002, 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by SleeperSE
- The only reason Nissan would change engines to a potential VR series would be if the VQ doesn't meet emissions. Even then, it will take at least a few years before they do that. They would never have released the VQ35DE if it didn't meet upcoming emissions laws. Too much money spent in tooling costs and research.
- Alright, I can't figure out how to get this stupid picture posted. I think that you have to provide a link, and I don't have the site. I'll email it to someone else if they want to post it.
- The only reason Nissan would change engines to a potential VR series would be if the VQ doesn't meet emissions. Even then, it will take at least a few years before they do that. They would never have released the VQ35DE if it didn't meet upcoming emissions laws. Too much money spent in tooling costs and research.
- Alright, I can't figure out how to get this stupid picture posted. I think that you have to provide a link, and I don't have the site. I'll email it to someone else if they want to post it.
10-20-2002, 05:54 PM
#53
Originally posted by GLE02NJ
That doesn't matter! There will always be more people who want superchargers for their 350Z than owners of the Maxima or Altima. Even if there are more maxima/altima owners, 90% of them don't know what a VQ is.
Hopefully all the Z owners know what a VQ is or I would feel sorry for the car.
That doesn't matter! There will always be more people who want superchargers for their 350Z than owners of the Maxima or Altima. Even if there are more maxima/altima owners, 90% of them don't know what a VQ is.
Hopefully all the Z owners know what a VQ is or I would feel sorry for the car.
10-20-2002, 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by SleeperSE
I can't - I need a better address. The forum mail won't let you send any pictures and your profile didn't list an email.
I can't - I need a better address. The forum mail won't let you send any pictures and your profile didn't list an email.
10-20-2002, 06:14 PM
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Re: Blower might be too small
Originally posted by SleeperSE
- My gut says that Nissan is developing a turbo VQ motor, although it may be for the Skyline (Skyline will definitely be built on the FM platform - the front suspension has been built to incorporate all-wheel drive, according to SCC). I saw pictures of the engine on some Japanese site while I was surfing around one day. I couldn't read anything (it was all in Japanese), but the caption under the photo specifically read VQ35DETT. It was a wicked looking engine - black powdercoat on everything with blue anodized fittings. Me likee very much. I have the picture saved and will try to figure out how to post it in a minute.
- My gut says that Nissan is developing a turbo VQ motor, although it may be for the Skyline (Skyline will definitely be built on the FM platform - the front suspension has been built to incorporate all-wheel drive, according to SCC). I saw pictures of the engine on some Japanese site while I was surfing around one day. I couldn't read anything (it was all in Japanese), but the caption under the photo specifically read VQ35DETT. It was a wicked looking engine - black powdercoat on everything with blue anodized fittings. Me likee very much. I have the picture saved and will try to figure out how to post it in a minute.
10-20-2002, 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by Chebosto
G-H-E-T-T-O
mang. it was a neat idea for an Eaton Roots. but that hood was a cut fiberglass ghetto rigged with tape. :P
imho. i'm gonna try to get the Greddy Turbo Kit if it ever goes to production.
G-H-E-T-T-O
mang. it was a neat idea for an Eaton Roots. but that hood was a cut fiberglass ghetto rigged with tape. :P
imho. i'm gonna try to get the Greddy Turbo Kit if it ever goes to production.
Do you think your car is an ambulance by the way?
10-20-2002, 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by 03BlkSETE
From a business point of view it would be crazy for Stillen to make a SC for just the 350z. The will alway be many more Altima's and Max's and the road then 350z. The fact that it works on a 350z safely means it should work on our cars. I know fitting it under the hood may be a different issue but again, Stillen would be crazy not to figure out how to do that. I least that's what I'm praying for.
From a business point of view it would be crazy for Stillen to make a SC for just the 350z. The will alway be many more Altima's and Max's and the road then 350z. The fact that it works on a 350z safely means it should work on our cars. I know fitting it under the hood may be a different issue but again, Stillen would be crazy not to figure out how to do that. I least that's what I'm praying for.
Big difference. Its why a Turbo upgrade would be a bigger seller on a Supra than on a Accord V6..... Which has a bigger userbase and which will have a bigger enthusiast base?
10-21-2002, 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by Bad97MaxSE
isnt there a "race ready" version of the Z avalable through nissan ?
isnt there a "race ready" version of the Z avalable through nissan ?
10-21-2002, 10:03 AM
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Torque
Originally posted by Larrio
the mossy nissan company 3.5 altima freakin put down more hp/torque than the 350z.. ok so no comparison cause one is stock and the other is completely modded but still NA.
For a 280+hp car, it dyno'ed at 225hp
For a 270+lb torque car, it dyno'ed around 228 lb of torque
The altima on the other did a 228hp and a 238 lb. of torque
THis out of an engine spec'ed at 240hp
the mossy nissan company 3.5 altima freakin put down more hp/torque than the 350z.. ok so no comparison cause one is stock and the other is completely modded but still NA.
For a 280+hp car, it dyno'ed at 225hp
For a 270+lb torque car, it dyno'ed around 228 lb of torque
The altima on the other did a 228hp and a 238 lb. of torque
THis out of an engine spec'ed at 240hp
This is true... Its no big deal that the Z has an SC now because remember,(I had to learn this the hard way) maybe the overall HP will be 350 but only around 320 WHP and only about 280 torque... I'm just going by dyno#'s from other SC'd Maximas. If it can produce the same torque and WHP... it will really be formidable... but we'll see I guess.
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10-21-2002, 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by Larrio
the mossy nissan company 3.5 altima freakin put down more hp/torque than the 350z.. ok so no comparison cause one is stock and the other is completely modded but still NA.
For a 280+hp car, it dyno'ed at 225hp
For a 270+lb torque car, it dyno'ed around 228 lb of torque
The altima on the other did a 228hp and a 238 lb. of torque
THis out of an engine spec'ed at 240hp
the mossy nissan company 3.5 altima freakin put down more hp/torque than the 350z.. ok so no comparison cause one is stock and the other is completely modded but still NA.
For a 280+hp car, it dyno'ed at 225hp
For a 270+lb torque car, it dyno'ed around 228 lb of torque
The altima on the other did a 228hp and a 238 lb. of torque
THis out of an engine spec'ed at 240hp
The 240HP Altima makes 190WHP. Add bolt ons, free up the exhaust flow, you can get the 38HP for a total of 228WHP.
If you add the same bolt-ons to the Z (hypothetically), you could get 225+38= 263WHP. Add the SC (~40-60WHP), 300-320WHP. Not bad at all.
10-21-2002, 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by GLE02NJ
Sooner or later Nissan will not only be making a N/A Z...but a TT Z!
A Z without a turbo is a like a ricer without an aluminum wing.
Sooner or later Nissan will not only be making a N/A Z...but a TT Z!
A Z without a turbo is a like a ricer without an aluminum wing.
10-21-2002, 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by 2K2MAXSE-RIOUS
I don't think Nissan will be making a turbo Z. They learned from their $45K mistake the last time they tried it. Their goal with the 350Z is to offer the ultimate performance per buck while selling enough of them to make a decent profit. They will reserve their VQ35TT for their upscale, low volume GTR to compete in the $50-$75K range.
I don't think Nissan will be making a turbo Z. They learned from their $45K mistake the last time they tried it. Their goal with the 350Z is to offer the ultimate performance per buck while selling enough of them to make a decent profit. They will reserve their VQ35TT for their upscale, low volume GTR to compete in the $50-$75K range.
10-21-2002, 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Tanman
Those numbers are about right. The 287HP Z with 21% drivetrain power loss will make 225WHP.
The 240HP Altima makes 190WHP. Add bolt ons, free up the exhaust flow, you can get the 38HP for a total of 228WHP.
If you add the same bolt-ons to the Z (hypothetically), you could get 225+38= 263WHP. Add the SC (~40-60WHP), 300-320WHP. Not bad at all.
Those numbers are about right. The 287HP Z with 21% drivetrain power loss will make 225WHP.
The 240HP Altima makes 190WHP. Add bolt ons, free up the exhaust flow, you can get the 38HP for a total of 228WHP.
If you add the same bolt-ons to the Z (hypothetically), you could get 225+38= 263WHP. Add the SC (~40-60WHP), 300-320WHP. Not bad at all.
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