I recieved the VI for 336 shipped... i dont know what happened- I just called ordered and hung up, no conversation no nothing....

 

They sell them at the lower price because they must get them at a great price and they mark them up to the consumers to get the specific profit margin they want......but not realizing that comsumer's demand is higher and they might be able to get a few extra bucks out of it....they want to try and see if they can weezle ever dollar out, maybe you need to take an Econ course pal

 

you have proven nothing

 

you boys love you a good boycott huh?

 

No kidding. For a group that loves to whine about no having options for aftermarket parts, they sure do like cutting off ties to companies that provide the aftermarket parts.

 

"ok,$50 for a RPM switch and $50 for the baro switch and the relay is $5, hoses are about $15 MAX, wires are $10 max.. so the total of these are $130 pushing the $337 to $467"

As far as I knew when I first talked with these guys, these parts were included but after last night talking with steve, there's confusion on these parts and they are not so easy to get, we'll have to wait.


"by duties do you mean import tax? "

That's exactly what steve said, "duties", make your own assumption about it but it sounds like an import tax.


"BUT, Your the one who brought the info to the table.. So I ask you the questions. and maybe your just trying to get the onfo out... but with out ALL of the facts things get confused. Thus people like me get 1/2 the facts and get thinking we are getting pi$$ed on yet again"

I apologize for any confusion, I really should not have taken Brian's word in the first place, just come straight to Steve. At this point all we can really do is wait and find out what Courtesy is going to do for sure and not speculate about it. I really do feel bad about flaming Courtesy, we have had their support for years, have a great discount that no one else offers, and have a good staff to work with.

It seems kind of odd that they released a few vi's and then closed it off to test.... Either way as I said, let's wait and see what happens, there's no use in calling Courtesy and *****ing, or p/w this thread, it'll get us nowhere You're going to get the same answer that I got. Steve asked me to let you guys know that he needs one week to get the information together on EXACTLY what will be included, pricing etc. and 2 weeks after that to have the vi installed, tested, and officially released as a package sold by Courtesy. Thanks guys.

 

so true...

 

I'm having personal issues with family [for knocking out my brother-in-law; the fool tried to run over my sister in his car] members as we speak because they never want to hear both sides of the story. Get both sides before make a sound decision as to what is the fact.

 

:Putting on flame suit:
hey you cheap fockers!! yeah you!!! you cheap 4th gen owners!!
so courtesy jacked up the price on you...sorry to hear that. so which one of you guys are going to fly down to europe or japan or where ever these VIs are located and bring them back here? go ahead...go and fly there and bring about 50 back to the US..but make sure you price it dirt cheap because everyone wants a good deal.
:takes flame suit off:

let's just stand back for a second and look at the big picture. let's say that you have a limited supply of something and u got over 30 calls a day on them about people wanting them. as a seller you noticed that your price is low...REALLY low. what are u going to do? leave the price low and sell all your inventory? (keep in mind it's a rare part or not a common part)..or raise the price to "market" price and make a few bucks so u can make your mortgage payment, pay your electrical bills, feed the kids..etc etc. or u rather eat ramen and spam for another month?

wake the fluck up guys...u see this happen on the forsale section ALL DAY LONG! how much will someone offer if i have a Stillen Type 2 wing brand new unpainted? how many times do i see people fight over a item for sale and eventually jack the price up for the seller? if u were the seller would u say..no no i want u to have it for the lower price because i'm a nice guy...BULLSH1T! you would want to take every penny out of that sale so u can buy more mods and other stuff u spend your money on.

it's a mod...modding is expensive..and of course everyone wants a good deal. but u ever wonder why there are so many mods for hondas and why so cheap? because the market is flooded with mods..how many intakes can u choose from if you have a 95 honda civic? how many can u choose from for a 4th gen maxima? (i don't count the jerry rigged homemade stuff either).

i say at this point...ask courtesy to lower the price to stay competitive...sell the entire deal for 450 or 500 and see what they say. maybe a group deal for them? or else what's the alternative? maybe find another dealer to get them and see what happens with that?

 

I know this is directed at me but that is ok I know you've always had beef with me, but O well can't please everyone. Anyhow, when you are ON THE PHONE with someone about to finalize an order, when they tell you a certain price and with them having sufficient amount of units in stock, AND THEN getting interrupted saying they cannot sell the unit wouldn't that press your buttons? I got the price from not one but TWO people within 30 min. So I suppose it is OK to change the prices on an hourly basis. Its like if you're in a store and somebody forgot to put a 0 on a price tag. They should honor that price, even if it causes them to loose money. Sure jack up the price AFTER but at least honor the price for that one lucky customer who happened to be at the right place at the right time. If they did not instruct the sales people who answer the phone from changing the price or stopping the sales of this product then it was their fault.

 

*ding ding*

DanNY / Bill99GXE vs EricDWong

Round 241...

to your corners...

 

Why are you bringing me into this, I didn't flame.





I just think God has given him about 47,000 hints to dump the car.....this is just another one.

 

From courtesy's site " Availability and prices subject to change without notice." and i'm sure they have that policy slapped up everywhere. Do you have a copy of the quote? On the quote it should say price good through this date. If so then they have to honor it...otherwise you lose. It's like an experienced salesman about to sell you a new max at 10K and then the manager stopping him and putting the price where it should be.

 

no einsten it wasn't directed at you..why do you think it's always about you?
they put the disclaimer "prices subject to change w/o notice"...i saw a while back amazon had like 32 inch TVs for 150 bucks..i believe RCA or something. people bought them left and right..and within like 10 min they were out of stock. you think amazon sold the TVs at a 400 dollar loss? HE11S no..they took all the orders sent out emails and said sorry it was a typo..you're not getting the TV for $150.
someone screwed up...what can u say. someone should've kept the price quiet...but they didn't. you happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
it would press my button..but what were u trying to pull? u know these units are over $500 a piece...u were trying to take advantage of courtesy not knowing the market price on these units and when u made your attempt it back fired..so don't get all upset and play the victim. this is not a replacement part like an air filter or something...price depends on market.

 

i'm waiting for the lighting strike

 

 

I would see such continued frustration as a clear sign it is just not meant to be.

 

i see that too..but some don't.

 

If you do a search for the phrase "CHEAP PRICE" on this forum I bet it would take the server about 45 mins to complete...

Like Dan said, if you want "cheap mods" get a honda... better yet get one with the VTEC...

 

Legally you can't do that. That's the law. If you advertize a product at a certain price, you are legally bound to sell the product at that price.

As in Courtesy's case, they didn't advertize the VIM price therefore they can do what they want. They are legally bound by nothing. I think it's PURE BS that they stopped the orders on a couple members while they were in the process of making a transaction.

Many of us foresaw the problems with this Courtesy deal. $336 for the VIM was way too low and too good to be true. I'd expect the Courtesy will raise the price to $450-500.


Dave

 

they limit they're liability by saying "prices subject to change w/o notice" it's not false advertising

 

correct..legally you can't do that...but on EVERYTHING that's printed it states.. not responsible for typo and prices are subject to change w/o notice. they changed the price...what are u going to do? sue them? that's their fall back disclaimer. you can get OJ's lawyers and they will always have that disclaimer to fall back on.

 

I am all for the 4th gen guys getting the VI. Courtesy is a great place to do business, they have been real instrumental in us having some aftermarket support. I don't feel right if one associate was telling the price is this and attempts to complete the sell and then is stopped by a manager who says that they can't do it, that is plain wrong. I think Courtesy should own up to their price quote and sell it at the quoted price.

my .02

 

Not to argue, but a contract where the price is "too good to be true" is a non-legally binding contract, if the buyer knew that it was likely to be a MISTAKE. If the seller did not know the true value, the contract is enforceable, but if they knew the true value and SIGNIFICANTLY mis-marked it the contract is not. Also, if the mismark is still reasonable, but the price is wrong (a truly good deal, but not too good to be true), then the contract is enforcable.
In this case, had the quote been in writing, it WOULD be enforcable. The seller was selling a "good deal," that was not really unbelievable. $36- unbelievable (and uninforcable); $336- believable/good deal, and thereby enforcable.

In this case, public policy AND normal contract law hold that eric SHOULD have been sold the unit for $336, if he was quoted that price...especially with others having bought for the same price. The problem is in the proof. If he were to take it to court, he woul have to prove that he was quoted that price on the phone. He really COULD win, given the fact that others have the same part for the same price, and are likely to have reciepts. Is it worth it? Probably not, b/c it would cost hundreds in legal fees.

 

ok we're going way off topic here.
when the disclaimer is put that prices are subject to change at anytime...that means anytime. i can be on the phone w/ a customer..and i can say..oh wait..price just went up 50 bucks. are u going to sue me for it?
it's not fair and poor customer relations..but it's not illegal.

 

It's like that new commercial where the whole inventory gets destroyed leaving a limited quantity of wine. Immediately the distributor raises the price.

 

Not after accord is reached and an action consistent with that accord is initiated, like "Okay, lets take down your payment information."

And you are correct: no, it is not illegal. It is actionable and possibly unlawful, but not illegal.

Actually, that is a distributor, who, like a manufacturer, always retains that right up until payment is rendered.

Anyway, we are off topic. My point was that it was bad customer service and contrary to public policy. If proven in court that an aggreement was made (accord) and actions were taken (purchasing switches, etc) in reliance on that promise, it is actionable.

 

I understand Courtesy changing the price, but changing it while Eric was on the phone, thats not really cool. The cost of the VI is quite high, like any other Nissan part, if Courtesy just bought the intakes from Japan, 336 is just an amazing price, I didnt really see how the could offer it nor keep it at that price (thats why I ordered ehhmmm quickly )

nowI say give Courtesy time let them figure out what they want to do, i they want to bump the price to 650 or some crap, ok then Ian and Cranman are in business!!! if they raise it to 400, ok then I wouldnt trip about doing business with them

no need to flame and go totally ape****... what they did to Eric was wrong, but damn there arent many aftermarket vendors that HAVENT done anything wrong... and name me a frickin Nissan dealer with good service

 

And your point? Courtesy is a retailer. Say for example the retailer is selling a product at $336. The distributor jacks the price up. The retailer then marks the price up to make up the difference. What's your point?

 

well if we're talking about eric's situation...they didn't say the price went up. they just stopped/refused to sell it to him...and they mentioned that the price was too low. so i don't think it got to the point of payment information just yet.

 

you guys can b!tch and moan all you want.. but their are a couple constants in this situation:

#1 Courtesy never formally advertised a price
#2 They can change their prices at anytime without giving you a reason
#3 You guys are too fcking cheap and are always looking the easy way out

 

 

No pain, no gain!

 

Sprint- I need a good boycott ..hahah

Clee, chris91se.. I think price gouging(sp) is crap. And I think the maxima aftermarket as a whole is crap as well. BUT at least it is improving. And sometimes the consumer can drive prices/products. I like my car and modding it so I deal with it the best way I can.

sexima- not trying to pick on you just trying to see what is what.. thank you for the info

deezo- your correct.. but if courtesy reads this board ( from what a few folks said they do ) they should step up and give us some info OR at least offically say something.

and to those of you who think all of us are cheap.. if you can get a product for less money why not? I attempted to do this mod with a 2k1 manifold.. but the tuner I talked to qouted me $2000 for this mod. So I let it go.. and as soon as it was brought to light by Ian/cranman I was all over it

Am I mad because I paid more.. NO

I will be mad about a company I thought was here to help us AND make money.. from what it seems.. just as daNY stated people take the highest bidder and sometimes jack the price to see how high it will go.

Is this the case? Time will tell

and I guess $$$ drives everything and if you can make more why not try to.. BUT if your the person buying the product... why buy it from the source that jacking the prices up? if you do not buy it fro that source the price will go down to stay competitive as daNY said

and bill.. sprint needs you.. your his first, his last, his everything

 

 

i still don't see the gouging part of it but whatever. i don't fault courtesy like some people have on here and don't see the point of a boycott. the reality of it is, is that they were priced way too cheap and they realized that and are now going to set the pricing where it should be. i think people need to get over it and get back to happy modding.

 

The point is that I was responding to the statement that this situation is like the wine commercial. It is not. I was just clearing that up. That part of my response was not in reply to your previous comments. Sorry for the confusion. Do you still not understand?

I was going based on this, from the first post in the thread:
Given that statement (and ones he made later in the thread), it sounded to me that he had been told a price, agreed on it, and began to render a payment in that amount. Now, if they refused to sell because they were out of them, needed that one for testing, or discontinued carrying that product, that is their choice.

#2 is incorrect. #s 1 & 3 are correct, but as to #2, a retailer can only change the price UP TO THE TIME AT WHICH ACCORD IS REACHED and action is taken in reliance on that accord.

I don't see the gouging either, but they should have had to honor the price once the product was offered to the buyer at that price and the transaction was in motion. As stated before, after this they can fix it, but transactions in motion at the time of the discovery should be completed so long as the exceptions that I noted a few posts ago are not present (too good to be true, impossibility, mistake of material nature, etc.)

Oh yeah, I totally agree with your last statement...

 

Copyright © 1999-2002 Courtesy Nissan, Inc. All rights reserved, no content or images use without written permission. Availability and prices subject to change without notice.

http://www.courtesyparts.com/

i suggest you call your lawyer

 

Personally, I like Courtesy because they do more for Maxima.org members than other dealers will do. I tried to get discounts from the local dealerships here in MA for org members and they can't even come close to the prices of Courtesy.

 

I dont get it, people on here complain about prices not being cheap enough, then when a price is given and it is considered 'cheap', they still dont act because now it becomes 'too good to be true.' So you wait even more to 'confirm' that cheap price.....Now when the supplier decides to raise the price of the highly demanded product...you complain even more....


Does the cycle ever end?

Eric did get screwed but at this point there is nothing he or us can do. Starting a boycott now wont help because I doubt you will boycott if the price goes to $450 as it is STILL cheaper then other sources.

sooooo....

Lets just wait until Courtesey makes an official statment. All this speculating just hogs up bandwidth and bogs down the server.