Sadler and Shadow's Secret Project
08-17-2003, 06:58 PM
#42
Originally posted by spanishrice
You'll used the stock y-pipe setup right? How are you'll controlling fuel?
You'll used the stock y-pipe setup right? How are you'll controlling fuel?
I am using a cartech FMU to control fuel pressure as well as a walbro fuel pump. Watching all that nonsense with a fuel pressure gauge.
08-17-2003, 07:35 PM
#44
its not so much an issue with the design of any bumper (and we are not going to get into this) any nice size IC is going to cause modifications to the bumper support..
Originally posted by thebigsadler
This is Jason again:
When i get back to jax my body guy is fabbing up a bumper support out of 2" steel tubing, he is going to make 2 rows of it and fit it all around the bumper on the inside, like stock. The design on this bumper was extremely poor and doesn't warrant any kind of OEM replacement or fitting, lucking my IC pipes wrap under the fog light holes and not through them, guess my IC was a little big. heh.
All I can say is that if the car keeps running like it did today with having the fender liners coming off every two seconds
I will be extremely happy with this setup. I drive like a woman and I will be the first to admit it, boost owns me.
This is Jason again:
When i get back to jax my body guy is fabbing up a bumper support out of 2" steel tubing, he is going to make 2 rows of it and fit it all around the bumper on the inside, like stock. The design on this bumper was extremely poor and doesn't warrant any kind of OEM replacement or fitting, lucking my IC pipes wrap under the fog light holes and not through them, guess my IC was a little big. heh.
All I can say is that if the car keeps running like it did today with having the fender liners coming off every two seconds
I will be extremely happy with this setup. I drive like a woman and I will be the first to admit it, boost owns me.
08-17-2003, 08:06 PM
#45
Originally posted by SprintMax
its not so much an issue with the design of any bumper (and we are not going to get into this) any nice size IC is going to cause modifications to the bumper support..
its not so much an issue with the design of any bumper (and we are not going to get into this) any nice size IC is going to cause modifications to the bumper support..
08-18-2003, 05:34 AM
#48
your IC appears to be bigger than mine.. and my IC, Joa's IC, and Kev's IC never cleared under the stock bumper support.. it required cutting
Originally posted by thebigsadler
the IC actually didnt affect the stock bumper support, i could have shaved off about 1/4" at about 4 places on the back side and it would have fit, it's the crap design of a bumper that got rid of the bumper support in the first place, it was long gone before the IC ever saw the car.. hence why i need a custom one made to fit inside the bumper, not accomodate my fashionably to large intercooler.
the IC actually didnt affect the stock bumper support, i could have shaved off about 1/4" at about 4 places on the back side and it would have fit, it's the crap design of a bumper that got rid of the bumper support in the first place, it was long gone before the IC ever saw the car.. hence why i need a custom one made to fit inside the bumper, not accomodate my fashionably to large intercooler.
08-18-2003, 03:58 PM
#49
Originally posted by spanishrice
So it is basically the same setup as the PFI kit?
So it is basically the same setup as the PFI kit?
Originally posted by SprintMax
your IC appears to be bigger than mine.. and my IC, Joa's IC, and Kev's IC never cleared under the stock bumper support.. it required cutting
your IC appears to be bigger than mine.. and my IC, Joa's IC, and Kev's IC never cleared under the stock bumper support.. it required cutting
08-18-2003, 06:54 PM
#51
The kit will be cheaper than the other kits, if we ever decide to produce them. Still working out the little details.
But if you want a kit that replaces the whole exhaust manifold, good luck doing that for cheap. I'm researching building a custom manifold for my car that would eliminate the Y Pipe entirely and run 6 individual pipes into a merge collector to feed the turbo. This obviously would yield the most power, but it costs a lot. If a manifold like that were ever to be sold, it would most likely cost $1500 by itself simply due to the complexity. And a kit using a setup like this would be most likely in the $6K+ range because all of the other pipes would need to be pretty crazy too to fit it all under the motor. Lots of custom work.
But if you want a kit that replaces the whole exhaust manifold, good luck doing that for cheap. I'm researching building a custom manifold for my car that would eliminate the Y Pipe entirely and run 6 individual pipes into a merge collector to feed the turbo. This obviously would yield the most power, but it costs a lot. If a manifold like that were ever to be sold, it would most likely cost $1500 by itself simply due to the complexity. And a kit using a setup like this would be most likely in the $6K+ range because all of the other pipes would need to be pretty crazy too to fit it all under the motor. Lots of custom work.
Originally posted by spanishrice
I hope yours is cheaper. I am trying to find a kit that does not use the y pipe, but has a custom exhuast maniifold.
I hope yours is cheaper. I am trying to find a kit that does not use the y pipe, but has a custom exhuast maniifold.
08-18-2003, 07:16 PM
#53
Oh yeah, a smaller IC would be included. Jason's massive IC was because of his personal preference. It's overkill for the amount of boost/power his car is running. I think that IC is rated for around 700 hp, I forget.
If we ever do a kit, an IC w/ a 20"x8" core would be about perfect. Maybe even 6" height for better clearance of the stock bumper support.
My car has a stock bumper support, so we'll see what works under there.
If we ever do a kit, an IC w/ a 20"x8" core would be about perfect. Maybe even 6" height for better clearance of the stock bumper support.
My car has a stock bumper support, so we'll see what works under there.
Originally posted by UNCDooD
will a smaller intercooler be offered with the kit for those of us that decide to keep the stock bumper assuming you do start to produce these kits?
will a smaller intercooler be offered with the kit for those of us that decide to keep the stock bumper assuming you do start to produce these kits?
08-18-2003, 07:19 PM
#54
Originally posted by Shadow
Oh yeah, a smaller IC would be included. Jason's massive IC was because of his personal preference. It's overkill for the amount of boost/power his car is running. I think that IC is rated for around 700 hp, I forget.
If we ever do a kit, an IC w/ a 20"x8" core would be about perfect. Maybe even 6" height for better clearance of the stock bumper support.
My car has a stock bumper support, so we'll see what works under there.
Oh yeah, a smaller IC would be included. Jason's massive IC was because of his personal preference. It's overkill for the amount of boost/power his car is running. I think that IC is rated for around 700 hp, I forget.
If we ever do a kit, an IC w/ a 20"x8" core would be about perfect. Maybe even 6" height for better clearance of the stock bumper support.
My car has a stock bumper support, so we'll see what works under there.
i thought so. thanks. I'll definitely be in line for one of these kits assuming you do start to produce them.
08-19-2003, 11:27 AM
#55
I'm getting X's for the pics... anyone have some they can email to me? jmerchan@hcsus.jnj.com
08-19-2003, 05:54 PM
#56
DYNO RESULTS
Well, we finally got the car dyno tuned today. Turned the fuel pressure down to 65 psi at full boost, and used the AFC to get 12:1 A/F across the board.
At 7 psi, the car puts down 254 whp and 250 ft./lbs of torque. Not too bad considering the car still has the stock cat and a rather restrictive dual exhaust setup. I'm thinking with the 3" cat going in along with the full custom 3" mandrel exhaust, the numbers would be closer to 275whp.
For comparison, the car put down 165 whp 10 days ago on the same dyno under similar conditions. So we gained 89 whp at 7 psi.
At 7 psi, the car puts down 254 whp and 250 ft./lbs of torque. Not too bad considering the car still has the stock cat and a rather restrictive dual exhaust setup. I'm thinking with the 3" cat going in along with the full custom 3" mandrel exhaust, the numbers would be closer to 275whp.
For comparison, the car put down 165 whp 10 days ago on the same dyno under similar conditions. So we gained 89 whp at 7 psi.
08-19-2003, 06:15 PM
#58
Maybe, but at this point, better safe than sorry. I'm thinking that the exhaust setup is the biggest restriction right now.
His n/a dyno with CAI/Y-Pipe and so on was 10-15 hp lower than most 5 spd. 4th gen dynos with those mods.
His n/a dyno with CAI/Y-Pipe and so on was 10-15 hp lower than most 5 spd. 4th gen dynos with those mods.
Originally posted by SonicDust187
Maybe the car would have better results with 12.5:1 A/F ration.
Maybe the car would have better results with 12.5:1 A/F ration.
08-19-2003, 07:23 PM
#59
Looks like jeff had the numbers a bit off..
Correct numbers were:
256hp and 254tq at 5psi!!! Baseline dyno of 165hp and 171tq
This is all with my chocking 2.25" crush bent dual exhaust, with a 3" single it should add a healthy 10-15hp and tq, and possibly bump the boost psi up to 7 instead of 5.
Not bad, 91hp and 83tq..
Correct numbers were:
256hp and 254tq at 5psi!!! Baseline dyno of 165hp and 171tq
This is all with my chocking 2.25" crush bent dual exhaust, with a 3" single it should add a healthy 10-15hp and tq, and possibly bump the boost psi up to 7 instead of 5.
Not bad, 91hp and 83tq..
08-19-2003, 08:01 PM
#60
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Originally posted by thebigsadler
Looks like jeff had the numbers a bit off..
Correct numbers were:
256hp and 254tq at 5psi!!! Baseline dyno of 165hp and 171tq
This is all with my chocking 2.25" crush bent dual exhaust, with a 3" single it should add a healthy 10-15hp and tq, and possibly bump the boost psi up to 7 instead of 5.
Not bad, 91hp and 83tq..
Looks like jeff had the numbers a bit off..
Correct numbers were:
256hp and 254tq at 5psi!!! Baseline dyno of 165hp and 171tq
This is all with my chocking 2.25" crush bent dual exhaust, with a 3" single it should add a healthy 10-15hp and tq, and possibly bump the boost psi up to 7 instead of 5.
Not bad, 91hp and 83tq..
Ant
08-19-2003, 08:28 PM
#61
hopefully we'll have time to dyno one more time on friday after all the pipes are coated and the 3" exhaust is in.
Originally posted by thebigsadler
Looks like jeff had the numbers a bit off..
Correct numbers were:
256hp and 254tq at 5psi!!! Baseline dyno of 165hp and 171tq
This is all with my chocking 2.25" crush bent dual exhaust, with a 3" single it should add a healthy 10-15hp and tq, and possibly bump the boost psi up to 7 instead of 5.
Not bad, 91hp and 83tq..
Looks like jeff had the numbers a bit off..
Correct numbers were:
256hp and 254tq at 5psi!!! Baseline dyno of 165hp and 171tq
This is all with my chocking 2.25" crush bent dual exhaust, with a 3" single it should add a healthy 10-15hp and tq, and possibly bump the boost psi up to 7 instead of 5.
Not bad, 91hp and 83tq..
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