Well, i was looking at the idea of the nx ntercooler system. it just basically looks like it sprays co2 onto the intercooler making the air colder, well for those of us who dont have inter-coolers or turbo or s/c's, can we make our own system and just have it spray on the intake manifold?, wont it do the same thing but not as efficiently, ive seen c02 tanks for paintballl use go for around 30 bux plus some stainless steal line and a valve would cost 60 bux the most, what would this do for us? also could we hookup an intercooler without a turbo to do the same thing?

it may sound very stupid, just food for thought

 

NA stands for Not Applicable

 

Sounds like an idea...Paintball 20oz. (largest available) can only last so long. Especially if you keep spraying the whole time your car is on unless you have some switch I guess and $4.31 a refill can add up I think.

Chris

 

no, ive seen those big ones they used for the refill of the 20zer, like a small scuba tank

last time i checked NA means naturally aspirated, (no forced induction- for the illiterate)

 

DEI and Cryo2 already make contained CO2 sprayer bulbs that fit intake piping....on moderately mofided Maxima(like most one here) its probably a waste and not worth the money in refills

 

You are beyond stupid

 

do you have any idea what C02 is?

its 2 parts oxygen and 1 part carbon.. let me ask you this? do you think extra carbon is good for your engine?

you go ahead and spray carbon into your intake manifold.. i am sure it will make your car "hella" fast

 

Bad Idea Intercooling is for FI'd cars, i.e. Supercharged, Turbocharged. Not for NA....

 

Do you understand the difference between 'into' and 'onto'?

Yes, its a stupid idea.

 

Get bottles and refills here: http://www.airgas.com

 

ok for those who arent the brightest, no carbo would be going into any intake, i would just spray the intake manifold with the liquid gas(co2), to super cool the manifold, this would make the air colder and much more dense on the inside as it enters the cylinders

are we so limited to think that i am trying to intercool a N/A car? the only reason i said intercooler was because it is a more efficient way to super cool the air due to the larger surface area. what do you think those intercooler nitrous setups do, they even leave you the option of spraying co2 itself

but if you dont beleive me check this out
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2434278313

 

you are a genious s3

 

no you didn't... you didn't misspell genius when trying to call someone dumb... please delete the whole thread, abandon your username, re-register with a different name and NEVER admit to this incident...

 

thtas even dumber than i had thought.. you are going to waste filling up a bottle (37/per bottle probably) just to spray it on your manifold? for what? 2 maybe 3 hp? thats the dumbest **** i ever heard..

 

well he did graduate from Harvard University .. take as you please..

and he did host the first maxima.org server on his own machine.. so think of him what you want..

he might just be a genious in our own regaurds.. basically..

no S3 = no maxima.org growth and its current state

 

1) Ebay timing kits - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2434890822

2) ERAM electric supercharger - http://www.electricsupercharger.com/

3) Turbo Spooler - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2434542017

4) Sell your car after all these upgrades, you'll make a bundle on the massive HP gains.

 

FYI, CO2 is the gas that we exhale. Has no physical similarities with the actual element carbon, so no it wouldn't clog anything up. But to the original poster, nice try at trying to be creative, seriously, but it makes no sense.

 

even if this would work wouldn't the high temp of the metal suddenly chilling to below freezing make the metal warp of crack

 

thats my guess and most likely why DEI/Cryo2 chose to inject the Co2 into a bulb placed in the intake pipe rather than dousing the heated intake manfold with it

 

OMG... Am I really seeing this?

 

FYI carbon dioxide kills anything burning. so if it gets into the COMBUSTION chamber, you tell me what will happen.

 

once again...

 

waveridr85 plzz delete this post, or mods Lock it


that is all

 

SprintMax, I know you were trying to be smart there in your previous post, but that was weak

FYI, CO2 is a pretty stable molecule if I'm not mistaken, therefore it's unlikely for the carbon atom in CO2 to separate (and gunk up the engine bay), thus CO2 isn't a problem. CO2 is also one of the primary products of combustion, thus one of the primary components of exhaust gas (that doesn't really make much of a point though). It's a fairly inert gas, and is perfect for such purposes, although waveridr85's idea sounds pretty pointless.

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nevermind, sorry for the Yet Another Reply, this horse's already beaten to death

 

OK smart guy, if you read the original post he was talking about spraying CO2 ON the manifold, not in it. I was just responding to someone that mentioned that CO2 will leave carbon deposits just because it is partly comprised of the element Carbon, which is completely false.

 

too muchh chemistry jibba jabba in this thread mods LOCK IT DOWN!!!

 

You need to hit the books Marie Curie

 

Why don't you design/build a cooled fuel rail instead. We have them for out 4.7L V8 Dodge Dakotas...

 

Hey, waveridr85, I applaud the thinking, even though it won't work. It's too bad that the more car-literate on the site can't just say "nice try, but no" without flaming you. I always find the brain-storming threads more interesting than the "another intake/exhuast" threads.

 

The NX system sprays nitrous onto the intercooler...considering its cost it'd be better to just spray that into the N/A engine and enjoy the 50-150hp gains considering the Ntercooler setup is a 9/10th's nitrous kit and costs nearly as much...it's just missing a couple of relays. Most of the people using those kits are already turbocharged and spraying so it's pretty much the last route to get every single bit of power out of an engine.

By the time you price out the relays, solenoids to handle that kind of pressure, and wiring you're basically looking at the cost of a basic nitrous kit. Last time I checked one of those 20oz bottles wouldn't chill your intake for more than 1 run. Also the cloud of gas blocking your vision pretty much restricts it to chilling before the actual run.

NX does pretty much give those Ntercooler kits away for free (Shadow has one sitting in his garage I'm thinking of stealing and making a wet kit out of it) these days and everyone has one but I don't actually see many people use them b/c of the cost of refills.

So in short...not worth your time...just buy a nitrous kit and call it a day unless you're competing in a N/A class.

 

there is also another sytem called cryo2, it does the same, but to the fuel lines also

 

Ah, but who said the only way to utilize the CryO2 was using C02 and refills?

 

Thought I'd resurrect this thread from the grave in case anybody searches on it.

12 years ago I designed and used for 2 seasons of autocross a modified DEI Cry02 intake system on my N/A A32 Maxima. The SCCA Solo board just outlawed those types of intakes last month.
http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...-June-Solo.pdf Search #16546 under Member Advisories.
Glad I sold it years ago. Like Tesla, now that it doesn't matter I can share my solution with anybody interested. 3"x14"L aluminum intake tube fitted with 2 Cry02 bulbs in sequence, set before the MAF into a ported TB with quick connect clamps. Unit could be removed and placed in a large ice chest, re-frozen between runs in grid, then re-installed quickly. Never used the CO2 tank, piping, or arming switch. $500+ invested resulting in +11whp, and intake temp drops from ~100deg on a warm day down to low 30's.