Just installed my 5pt harness...
08-22-2000, 09:17 PM
#4
buttonwillow raceway is this saturday.
it's basically time trials for this sunday's Toyo Challenge, but we're just going to the fun of it and not actually going to race seriously, cuz that's for the REALLY good guys..
besides.. we run our maximas as if they're street cars (which they are.)
as you can see here,
<img src="http://www.seas.ucla.edu/%7Echeston/maxpicts/race_13_config.gif">
it's a pretty nice course.. lotza turns, lotsa straights.
for more info goto: <a href="http://www.open-track.com"> Open-Track.</a>
i'll be running this setup:
AVS ints on 17" revos, Tokicos w/ eibachs, 5pt harness, with ypipe, cai, and RS muffler..
in the future, i'll be adding an adjuatble touring wing, front adjustable wing, a bpipe and some other secret mods.
it's basically time trials for this sunday's Toyo Challenge, but we're just going to the fun of it and not actually going to race seriously, cuz that's for the REALLY good guys..
besides.. we run our maximas as if they're street cars (which they are.)
as you can see here,
<img src="http://www.seas.ucla.edu/%7Echeston/maxpicts/race_13_config.gif">
it's a pretty nice course.. lotza turns, lotsa straights.
for more info goto: <a href="http://www.open-track.com"> Open-Track.</a>
i'll be running this setup:
AVS ints on 17" revos, Tokicos w/ eibachs, 5pt harness, with ypipe, cai, and RS muffler..
in the future, i'll be adding an adjuatble touring wing, front adjustable wing, a bpipe and some other secret mods.
08-22-2000, 10:18 PM
#5
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Re: about race
Originally posted by 95SEMaxima
are you worried at all that you might damage your car?
are you worried at all that you might damage your car?
The course is just about 3 miles per lap with all sorts of single and double apex corners, high speed curves, esses, decreasing-radius sweepers, elevation-changing off-camber turns, etc.
Actually the straights aren't nearly as much fun as the rest of the course. Heck, I had my Max fishtail on me pretty good a couple of times coming out of the first turn called Sunset.
In all, this is one hell of a way to have fun and learn how to drive better. And for those who lose control, they slide out into the soft desert sand where they will undoubtedly remember to be careful next time when they're vacuuming the sand they kicked inside and on their dash. heh.
--Nabil
08-23-2000, 09:38 AM
#9
Did you install the Porterfields?
The road racing eats up pads. Most instructors will tell
you to bring a extra set of pads because of the abuse the pads will take. If you install the Porterfields before you
race this will not be a issue.
Stay safe and have a great time!
you to bring a extra set of pads because of the abuse the pads will take. If you install the Porterfields before you
race this will not be a issue.
Stay safe and have a great time!
08-23-2000, 10:49 AM
#10
yeah. put in the porterfields last week.. oh baby. those suckers with sS lines kick ***.
i'll bring my stock pads just in case..
and a bottle of brake fluid.. just kinda worried about the fluid boiling under hard conditions...
i'll bring my stock pads just in case..
and a bottle of brake fluid.. just kinda worried about the fluid boiling under hard conditions...
08-23-2000, 11:51 AM
#12
booker--
i got picts on my site..
i'm leaving it in the car.. but i'll use stock 3 point cuz the 5 point is just too cumbersome to drive in daily life..
it take like an extra minute to strap it in over the 3 seconds to put on the regular seat belt...
it's really nice. and cheap. $80.00 from racerwholesale.com/
i got picts on my site..
i'm leaving it in the car.. but i'll use stock 3 point cuz the 5 point is just too cumbersome to drive in daily life..
it take like an extra minute to strap it in over the 3 seconds to put on the regular seat belt...
it's really nice. and cheap. $80.00 from racerwholesale.com/
08-23-2000, 01:27 PM
#14
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a few words...
from another maxer who's run at texas world speedway's road course...
change your brake fluid to ate superblue, motul 600 or the like before event....if it's a 2 day event, you may need to change after the first day.
check your lugs before every outing on the track...i'm serious on this, almost had a wheel come off after my first session (and i torqued it just before i went out!)
check air pressures after each session....remember w/ track temps you can gain 5 psi EASY and 10 is not unbelievable.
fresh oil change is nice...car temps probably won't get hi but make sure to pop the hood and turn on the a/c after each run to give the engine a chance to cool off...
DON'T use your e-brake after each run unless you want to warp your rotors.
remember, the fastest way around the track is the smoothest...it's not nearly the same as autocrossing.
if you can get a seasoned driver to ride with you...better yet, let them drive your car. experience is valuable.
if you have a cai, take out the fog/corners to allow more cold air in.
finally, when you go home use your 3-pt unit (i have a harness too)...the story is that the factory harnesses are meant to give on an accident and more often than not on the street, that giving is a good thing....being held rigedly to the seat on the street more often than not causes additional harm....i read an article on this somewhere....that's why i don't use mine on the street. just my 0.02
most of all....have fun, be safe, take a few pics...oh, do you have a helmet??? they do make you wear one right??
also, never brake in a turn, or let off the gas....sounds elementary but you'd be suprised how many people do it...it's instinctual....
just know this...if you go too fast into a corner, if you let off the gas (or brake) you'll spin, BUT if you keep on the throttle and you're too fast, you'll drive off the far side which MAY be recoverable....
best bet, don't enter too fast...learn the limits of the car...in fact they'll suprise you (especially w/ coilovers and race compound rubber...it surprised the NSX's i was passing!!)
have fun. good luck
Robert
change your brake fluid to ate superblue, motul 600 or the like before event....if it's a 2 day event, you may need to change after the first day.
check your lugs before every outing on the track...i'm serious on this, almost had a wheel come off after my first session (and i torqued it just before i went out!)
check air pressures after each session....remember w/ track temps you can gain 5 psi EASY and 10 is not unbelievable.
fresh oil change is nice...car temps probably won't get hi but make sure to pop the hood and turn on the a/c after each run to give the engine a chance to cool off...
DON'T use your e-brake after each run unless you want to warp your rotors.
remember, the fastest way around the track is the smoothest...it's not nearly the same as autocrossing.
if you can get a seasoned driver to ride with you...better yet, let them drive your car. experience is valuable.
if you have a cai, take out the fog/corners to allow more cold air in.
finally, when you go home use your 3-pt unit (i have a harness too)...the story is that the factory harnesses are meant to give on an accident and more often than not on the street, that giving is a good thing....being held rigedly to the seat on the street more often than not causes additional harm....i read an article on this somewhere....that's why i don't use mine on the street. just my 0.02
most of all....have fun, be safe, take a few pics...oh, do you have a helmet??? they do make you wear one right??
also, never brake in a turn, or let off the gas....sounds elementary but you'd be suprised how many people do it...it's instinctual....
just know this...if you go too fast into a corner, if you let off the gas (or brake) you'll spin, BUT if you keep on the throttle and you're too fast, you'll drive off the far side which MAY be recoverable....
best bet, don't enter too fast...learn the limits of the car...in fact they'll suprise you (especially w/ coilovers and race compound rubber...it surprised the NSX's i was passing!!)
have fun. good luck
Robert
08-23-2000, 03:06 PM
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Some other racing hints & tidbits
In addition to what Biomax said, you could remove the A/C fuse from the fusebox and run the car on the track with the A/C turned on. You won't get any cold air because the compressor itself won't engage, but the ECU will be operating with its heavy load maps and operate the radiator fans sooner and longer and run a slightly richer mix of fuel.
Kudos to Hiroshi for that hint.
Another one is to learn to look ahead to the next turn and not narrowly focus on the front of the car, and you'll be better positioned to negotiate the turns.
The Maxima is one nose-heavy car that can literally plow off the paved track if throttle is not judiciously applied when coming out of the turns.
Use wheel chocks instead of the hand brake in between sessions.
open the hood between sessions and let the engine vent.
Refrain from beating up on the Civic SI over and over in every session even though he refuses to believe that the Maxima can lap him quite easily.. lol (j/k) ;-P
Most of all though, the best attitude to have is one of learning and sharing your knowledge and racing techniques and lines. And that's what makes road racing so much more fun than drag racing.
This Saturday @ Buttonwillow will hopefully be just as much fun as before. http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com
--Nabil
Kudos to Hiroshi for that hint.
Another one is to learn to look ahead to the next turn and not narrowly focus on the front of the car, and you'll be better positioned to negotiate the turns.
The Maxima is one nose-heavy car that can literally plow off the paved track if throttle is not judiciously applied when coming out of the turns.
Use wheel chocks instead of the hand brake in between sessions.
open the hood between sessions and let the engine vent.
Refrain from beating up on the Civic SI over and over in every session even though he refuses to believe that the Maxima can lap him quite easily.. lol (j/k) ;-P
Most of all though, the best attitude to have is one of learning and sharing your knowledge and racing techniques and lines. And that's what makes road racing so much more fun than drag racing.
This Saturday @ Buttonwillow will hopefully be just as much fun as before. http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com
--Nabil
08-23-2000, 03:13 PM
#16
thanks for the tips..
yeah i dont use the 5pt on the street.. looks retarded..
as for turning.. so if i enter toofast, DONT let up on the gas?
what about feathering.
because if physics serves me right. if i keep the gas on, the interia will push my car out more, so i i lighten up on it and not brake i can turn the car better...
yes i'll take picts and post alot after saturday.
yeah i dont use the 5pt on the street.. looks retarded..
as for turning.. so if i enter toofast, DONT let up on the gas?
what about feathering.
because if physics serves me right. if i keep the gas on, the interia will push my car out more, so i i lighten up on it and not brake i can turn the car better...
yes i'll take picts and post alot after saturday.
08-24-2000, 07:12 AM
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braking, accellerating and cornering...
the key is to not upset the balance of the car in a corner at high speeds (we're talking over 60mph here).
when you're neither accellerating or braking, the contact patch/weight on all 4 corners is equal....maximum adherance/traction...that's what you want in a corner at high speed...
now if you accellerate before the apex, you put more weight on the rear end, especially the rear outer wheel, and front outer wheel to a lesser extent, this will push the car off the far side in effect.
now removing your foot from the accellerator and/or braking does the opposite, puts weight to the front of the car, less weight on the rear axle and thus the back end will swing out and you'll spin...just ask shing...he did it last fall at TWS by doing this.
about feather braking, etc...yes, experienced drivers can modulate brakes/gas to a point, but never enough to throw off the balance of the car...that's the key point to keep your contact patches with the road as equal as possible when you're at your maximum cornering forces.
now early in turn in and after the apex, you can modulate the brake and or gas but in the neat of the apex, if you didn't set it up right, there's little you can do at that point.
hope this makes some sense...if it does, good, if not...then it may after you're on the track at higher speeds, or hopefully not, after you spin, you'll understand.
Robert
when you're neither accellerating or braking, the contact patch/weight on all 4 corners is equal....maximum adherance/traction...that's what you want in a corner at high speed...
now if you accellerate before the apex, you put more weight on the rear end, especially the rear outer wheel, and front outer wheel to a lesser extent, this will push the car off the far side in effect.
now removing your foot from the accellerator and/or braking does the opposite, puts weight to the front of the car, less weight on the rear axle and thus the back end will swing out and you'll spin...just ask shing...he did it last fall at TWS by doing this.
about feather braking, etc...yes, experienced drivers can modulate brakes/gas to a point, but never enough to throw off the balance of the car...that's the key point to keep your contact patches with the road as equal as possible when you're at your maximum cornering forces.
now early in turn in and after the apex, you can modulate the brake and or gas but in the neat of the apex, if you didn't set it up right, there's little you can do at that point.
hope this makes some sense...if it does, good, if not...then it may after you're on the track at higher speeds, or hopefully not, after you spin, you'll understand.
Robert
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