Frank Fontaine

If you notice, the 2k6 Camry has 190 HP, whereas the 2k5 had 210. Same motor. The CR-V for 2k6 has 156 HP, yet the 2k5 had 160 HP. They had to recalculate according to the SAE. I'm not a Toyota hater but to lose 20 HP that's pretty ridiculous. Let the class actions begin, used to be one would only expect that from Kia and Yugo. Love to see what they think on the Toyo forums.....

Tatanko

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I don't believe Nissan was affected by that. Nissan actually keeps their numbers pretty close to what they actually are, they don't need to lie "too much."

What's really sad is that the domestic companies actually RAISED their numbers on some cars

NismoMax80

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sloppymax

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look at 3.5 dynos. it obvious from them that the hp was overrated and the torque underrated. of course the significance of the difference is in the eye of the beholder.

celica

the hp numbers dropped cuz companies was advertising hp number with 93 octane but the cars could run on 87. So now they have to give the hp numbers for 87 octane unless it is a demand that u use a higher octane on that motor. None of nissan numbers is under the new sae ratings , thats why there is no change. Only the fx45 is.

A Flood99

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didn't something like this happen with Mazda's RX-8, where they over shot the numbers and ended up having to buyback a bunch of them

sloppymax

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i believe they did give an option to purchase them back or give free maintenance for a set amount of time and some dollar amount on a prepaid debit IIRC.

NYPD-Arnold

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Yep. 5th gen 3.5 engine = Murano engine. 245/265HP

rsly33

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It had very little to do with octane, the companies just lied about their ratings by adding horsepower to an engine with absolutely no changes to it

5thgen2nr

Mazda also had problems with the miata...and they were off by A LOT...as in 15 horsepower...which is significant if you only have 155...errr...140 horsepower to begin with.

MainSource

IIRC, it's just a recalculation according to the newest SAE standards. The engine hasn't been changed, just the calculation to find the horsepower...it shouldn't be any slower than last year's model.

Maxtank

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Nissan is using the old SAE conversions. Honda/Toyota are using a new system, hence the change. This is what my friend told me, he also had some sort of proof of this, i'll try to find it.

Rowan

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umm I don't think you have a choice which calculation to use. I thought it was standardized otherwise why would Honda/Toyota bother using the new way that DECREASES their HP numbers

Loe max

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The new SAE calculation is voluntary.

Loe max

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First smart answer on this thread so far

A 2006 258HP TL will perform the same way as a 2005 270HP TL.

Frank Fontaine

Yes, but it's like in the movie "Porky's" where the guy uses a ruler and says "the little f***** is getting smaller!!"

Everyone wants more, not less, and HP is one criteria used when a person shops for a vehicle. The 270 wasn't legit, it never was that, it was 258 all along. Just like the Camry V6 never broke the 200 hp barrier, it was always 190.

MaxVelocity

Read all about it: "Asians oversell horsepower" http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins...A01-283759.htm

Don't see a Nissan product on the short list

Kevlo911

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Nissan underrated the TQ so I guess it makes up for it?

rome06

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hmmmm so does anyone know what 05' g35 coupes have...my buddy has one and he says 298

maximazation

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the 05+ G35 Coupe and Sedan have 298 hp but ONLY with the 6 speed. the auto versions all have 280 now, up from 260 in the sedan.

Frank Fontaine

Seriously, I dunno what would make Honda and Toyota any different from Nissan. If it were my 40k, I'd steer clear or just deduct 10%. The new Avalon has not revised its numbers down, maybe next year. Again, I understand, these are pure numbers--physically, the cars/motors are identical. But when's the last time you bought a pound of steak and ignored the fact that the butcher had his thumb on the scale? We like to get what we pay for....

Loe max

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270hp is as legit as 258hp. You can't say that one way of measuring BHP is correct and the other isn't. Standardized testing just changes over the years, just like from GROSS or NET ratings from previous years.

Loe max

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That story is pure hype. Honda and Toyota did not 'overrate' HP/TQ, they just used another type of testing to acheive those HP/TQ figures.

rsly33

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Hype? Every article written about the new tests say that companies were using "subjective interpretation" and loopholes in the old test to increase their HP. I dont think increasing your HP from 190 to 210 with no changes to the engine is hype.

MaxVelocity

Sure, so which ruler did you use to measure what's in your pant?

It is, or it aint. If it's hype, Toyota/Honda wouldn't have revised their numbers.

Loe max

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http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....0&page=1&pp=30

What I felt was 'hype' was there heading for the story "Asians Oversell Horsepower" when in reality, they aren't. And also "Toyota, Honda inflated claims of engine muscle; new tests force automakers to come clean with buyers." As is Asian manfactures were lying on the past. They weren't. Looking through and doing WHP of other makes and comparing it to the BHP, it seems as though Nissan hasn't adopted the new voluntary SAE testing, but thats just my opinion and I dont have any solid evidence that they don't. I could make comparisions as to why I feel this way, but I'm many of you can already come to your own conclusions.

Loe max

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This measurement isn't the same as using a ruler Does this make GROSS ratings of the 1970's any less dishonest? No, its just a way of measuring engine power at that time. Things change, rules and standards change. A 2005 Lexus LS430 still has "290HP" and is equally as legit as a 2006 Lexus LS430's "278HP". A 2005 Acura TL's "270HP" is equally legit as a 2006 Acura TL's "258HP".

Honda/Toyota 'revised' those #'s because they abopted a new method of measuring power

Why is this so hard to get through some of your heads?

Loe max

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I can completly understand that, but the HP #'s from either year are just as legit. Put both on a dyno and they will both put down the same #s. I guess that means Honda/Toyota found a way to reduce parasetic losses

NismoMax80

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Nissan is affected. In the 06 Maxima brochure at dealers an * is next to 265-hp.