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Old 08-16-2006 | 04:53 PM
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I read the threads over there about this.

General consensus = the big .org is full of intelligent people who can spot a mile away..

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Old 08-16-2006 | 04:56 PM
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Really? Doesn't ANYONE over there have a LICK of common sense?

Originally Posted by Zargon
I read the threads over there about this.

General consensus = the big .org is full of insensitive idiots who don't understand.
Old 08-16-2006 | 05:19 PM
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Dejavu.

Hmmm.

Wasn't there some negative back and forth BS with that site's forum in the last year or so? Can anyone remember and fill in the blank here?

All I can remember is posts from .org members getting deleted.

Take this with a grain of salt as it may have been another forum with the same software and just looks the same.
Old 08-16-2006 | 05:23 PM
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Thaks for good words guys. I am done with big org, ain't nothing but e-thugs and dumb asses over there.
the other org is.....bad. All they can talk about is why there are no nude pictures of Oleg's wife on the site...seriously. Don't listen to guys like that.
I am gonna post there.
Old 08-16-2006 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Really? Doesn't ANYONE over there have a LICK of common sense?

Anyone jumping on this bandwagon probably doesnt.

I hate to say this but let'im spend their money and figure it out for themselves.

Sometimes personal experience is the only way to learn.
Old 08-16-2006 | 05:24 PM
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That's all I posted
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http://forums.nycmaximas.org/showthread.php?t=14719

http://forums.nycmaximas.org/showthread.php?t=14295

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Old 08-16-2006 | 05:34 PM
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MsOleg: How can this product work for you if your 6th gen has a returnless fuel setup?

Tachihashi specifically said that this product relys on the flow of fuel to the engine and back. Obviously, your car and many others utilize a returnless fuel system, making this product's theory impossible.


Old 08-16-2006 | 06:26 PM
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I [posted this very question several pages back to no avail.

Originally Posted by Nismo3112
MsOleg: How can this product work for you if your 6th gen has a returnless fuel setup?

Tachihashi specifically said that this product relys on the flow of fuel to the engine and back. Obviously, your car and many others utilize a returnless fuel system, making this product's theory impossible.


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^^ Gotcha... I only read to page 3.
Old 08-16-2006 | 06:54 PM
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Quote from NYCmaxima..

Originally Posted by TOCHIHASHI
"Yes," we had quite a misundertanding there. Clearly, "Mroleg" had posted the results he gained by the use of Dr. Fuelmax on the other org, and the members of the other board simply couldn't figure out how it was so. It's sad that they just simply couldn't be happy for him.

There are countless fuel treatments ( catalysts ) that are out there, but unfortunately, in many cases, they tend to fall short of their expectations.
There are also an equal amount of people who have been left quite disappointed and out of their hard earned money. This is what has stirred up the disbelief. Also the fact of I being the president of the new U.S. company, and the vice president being Rishi who is the president and founder of this nycmaxima.org site did not help the situation in the least bit. It gave them the impression that we had suddenly appeared in means to hawk some bogus crap to the members on that forum.

Also that character, "Metalmax," failed to fully disclose that the only reason why he had one of our catalysts to begin with, was because he was to run a non-biased test for us last year, when this was not yet available in the market. However, he had failed to run these tests following our specifications and had failed to gain on the MPG ( you have to follow certain rules if you wish to save big with Dr. Fuelmax, and you have to be sensitive to notice all the different changes with the behavior of your car ). He has then since been bad mouthing "mroleg" accusing him of working with us to make a quick sale.

It was just surprising in a disappointing way, to come across so many ignorant people in one place at the same time. I have never been company to such a rude, immature, disparaging, snide, and bitter crowd in all of my life. However, we are prepared for this. We must overcome these challenges and rise above through true positive results achieved by real people. We know this product is for real, and in time more people will realize the same.

Rishi and I are determined to persevere through all the hardships that lie ahead of us. Our company is still new here in the States ( less than a month ), so the road is long and arduous ahead for us. All in due time, with results, not words.





Originally Posted by mroleg
Thaks for good words guys. I am done with big org, ain't nothing but e-thugs and dumb asses over there.
If you have any questions about isntallation in 6th gen just let me know.
Old 08-16-2006 | 07:05 PM
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You will have to forgive us for the misprints for our website is still relatively new, and there still may be contents in there that may need to be corrected by our editor.

Indeed there are a couple of areas that have the word "hydrogen" carbons" when they should be "hydrocarbons." However, if you noticed, there are some areas where it is actually stated as "hydrocarbons," as they should be. Also indeed, electrons are a "negative" charge and the word "positive" should not have been the word there. I may not have a doctorate in biochemistry, but I do know that electrons have a negative charge.

Please do forgive our text errors for we were in quite a hurry to get things up, and as I have said in the above, there still may be contents in there that may have been overlooked. Also if you would, forgive our editor. Although her english knowlege is extensive, she is indeed a native Japanese.

Sincerely,

Masazumi Kudo
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Old 08-16-2006 | 07:08 PM
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Also that character, "Metalmax," failed to fully disclose that the only reason why he had one of our catalysts to begin with, was because he was to run a non-biased test for us last year, when this was not yet available in the market. However, he had failed to run these tests following our specifications and had failed to gain on the MPG ( you have to follow certain rules if you wish to save big with Dr. Fuelmax, and you have to be sensitive to notice all the different changes with the behavior of your car ). He has then since been bad mouthing "mroleg" accusing him of working with us to make a quick sale.
ARE YOU F****NG SERIOUS?!
Old 08-16-2006 | 07:09 PM
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Old 08-16-2006 | 07:10 PM
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What were the rules you had to follow?
Old 08-16-2006 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
What were the rules you had to follow?
Out of respect for Rishi, I am not going to disclose this information. I am going to post the f'ucking statistics for the f'ucking test tommorow, everything is at work.
Old 08-16-2006 | 07:15 PM
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Old 08-16-2006 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TOCHIHASHI
He has then since been bad mouthing "mroleg" accusing him of working with us to make a quick sale.
WHERE DID I BAD MOUTH HIM...WHERE DID I ACCUSE HIM OF THIS PURPORTED FISCAL ALLIANCE?!
Old 08-16-2006 | 07:35 PM
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Chem genius's, is this possible?
Good question Mrs. Oleg. To answer your question, it is my pleasure to inform you that you may choose to continue running on 93 octane, switch to 87, or even alternate between the two whenever the mood may strike you. Dr. Fuelmax's state of the art technology and its ultra high fuel burning efficiency ( 99.86% ) allows for this.

I guarantee that your vehicle's performance / computer will not be compromised in the least amount. Utilize 87 octane, and your vehicle will still feel as though it is running on 93. Dr. Fuelmax was specifically designed with the purpose of maximizing fossil fuel, and this is merely one of countless merits that it can offer.

Utilizing 87 octane gas during these tough times with surging gas prices can save you a lot of money too.


Sincerely,

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How can you refine, refined 87gas?
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19 MPG to North Carolina without tampon. (what the 6th gen is rated in the city)
28 MPG coming back from NC with tampon. (what the 6th gen is rated on the highway)



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Old 08-16-2006 | 07:37 PM
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19 MPG to North Carolina without tampon. (what the 6th gen is rated in the city)
28 MPG coming back from NC with tampon. (what the 6th gen is rated on the highway)



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Na man. it doesnt work like that. we are aholes, ignorant, and we want n00dz of mrsoleg...
Old 08-16-2006 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Chem genius's, is this possible?
Theoretically, yes. Higher octane values are the result of purer and purer hydrocarbon distillates.
Old 08-16-2006 | 07:48 PM
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But where does the "waste" go? Wouldn't you end up with less fuel
Old 08-16-2006 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Maxima
I think this might be an item of translation gone wrong. The VESPR model of an atom will account for all electrons in valence shells S, P, D, and F. According to that model, the electron shells for carbon would break down into:

1s2
2s2 2p6
3s2 (accounting for all 12 electrons)

...even if such is the case, the 'D' shell could not be accounted for as you don't get into the 'D' valence shell until some base metals.

Just my $0.02
I'm in agreement. That was the only thing I could come up with yesterday that could possibly explain that sentence. However, as you said, it still doesn't make sense.

Using 2n squared, s shell holds 2, p shell hold 6, d shell holds 10, and f shell holds 32.

The simplest "hydrocarbon" is CH4 where carbon has 6 electrons, 2 in it's first shell and 4 in it's valence shell.
The 4 hydrogen's that it is covalently bonded to contribute 4 more electrons for a total of 8 for the molecule.

To my limited understanding, the appropriate size hydrocarbon for gas is between 4 and 12 carbon molecules long. 4 carbon hydrocarbon is Butane which tends to be a gas at room temp where as 12 carbon hydrocarbon (dodecane) is far more likely to be a liquid.

So Dr. FuelMax is saying that the catalyst fractionates the hydrocarbon to smaller more combustible hydrocarbons. However, most of normal gas is NOT primarily butane or even pentane, hexane, etc. because it is too likely to evaporate in the tank and not get to the pistons. I know all gas does have a small amount of butane to help with cold starts but at normal ambient temperature, say 20 degrees celsius, butane would be a gas and probably not very useable. The more branches in a hydrocarbon, the less resistant to ignition and thus knocking.

My question is, if it fractionates the hydrocarbons to a more volatile "highly combustible" molecules," and somehow the these do stay a liquid long enough to get to the pistons, will the MAF be able to compensate sufficiently to prevent knocking?


FYI:
2,2,4 trimethylpentane (aka octane for it's 8 carbons) has the highest octane (100) (highest resistance to knocking) and is 8 carbons long. It is highly branched which helps it from vaporizing. The opposite end of the spectrum is n-heptane which is not branched but is very succeptible to knocking thus it's octane is 0.

Also, each type of gas has two numbers r and m and the octane is the average of the two. R=research, m=motor. R= hard acceleration at low speeds, m=no acceleration at high speeds.

Ok I'm spent. Too much mental masturbation for one night. FYI, I took a petrology class in undergrad which is the only reason I know this. I don't feeling like dealing with diesel petrology but if you feel like it, try googling "cetane."

I am really tempted to say that the gains in fuel economy were SOLELY due to altered driving habits, ie. granny driving thus the results were due to placebo. Thus Dr. Fuelmax has no right to be all grumpy at metalmax. It would be far more believable if the gains were noticed with NO CHANGE in driving habits before and after.

Fun little facts:
1) Airplanes burn kerosene which produces less soot and is between 10-15 carbons, but is not very combustible in comparison to octane
2) Nascar: 110 octane (leaded gas)
3) Indy: use Methanol
4) Topfuel: use Nitromethane
Old 08-16-2006 | 08:46 PM
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I'm not going to read this whole damn thread.

But the intro claims over 1 million units sold in asia.
Let's ASSUME they cost $100 each to manufacture....so they make $200 profit on each.

That would be 200 million bucks profit.

Google "Double Kei Enterprises" and you will get no results. Kind of fishy for a company that makes several hundred million bucks.
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Originally Posted by MacGarnicle
I dunno, a company that has sold 1 million units in one country would be expected to bomb into another market.. they wouldn't wasn't time on small time forums - they'd go to companies and make millions in foreign countries.

Who knows though..I still like to dream it might be real...
I believe him about 1 million sales. There are EASILY 1 million suckers out there. I mean, China has a population of over 1 billion. It's not a stretch to think that 1 out of every 1,000 Chinese citizens are suckers. Same for any other country.

I'm surprised they haven't sold more, personally
Old 08-16-2006 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
I am gonna email them that.

I told them I am going to report them to the BBB

might as well. if they're not gonna defend their claims like they said, ie: they would answer questions not on here but through email, then someone a bit higher up needs to get involved to keep other people from getting scammed.
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Just so you guys know, the BBB doesn't do anything. It's not an enforcement agency or anything, it's just an organization with a set of rules that member companies pay to join. Kind of like the country club. And they get to put the "BBB" decal on their window, since many customers think it is some strict bureau that assures quality and perfection.

Yeah, if they are fraudulent the BBB could kick them out of "the club" but cannot shut them down, fine them, or anything else.

Don't bother reporting them there, since there is a 100% chance that Double Kei Enterprises is not a member of the BBB anyhow.



I, however, will be making a call to one of my fellow, "federal agency" buddies who happens to specialize in scams like this....That should be fun.
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But that last part sounds promising
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I'm in agreement. That was the only thing I could come up with yesterday that could possibly explain that sentence. However, as you said, it still doesn't make sense.

Using 2n squared, s shell holds 2, p shell hold 6, d shell holds 10, and f shell holds 32.

The simplest "hydrocarbon" is CH4 where carbon has 6 electrons, 2 in it's first shell and 4 in it's valence shell.
The 4 hydrogen's that it is covalently bonded to contribute 4 more electrons for a total of 8 for the molecule.

To my limited understanding, the appropriate size hydrocarbon for gas is between 4 and 12 carbon molecules long. 4 carbon hydrocarbon is Butane which tends to be a gas at room temp where as 12 carbon hydrocarbon (dodecane) is far more likely to be a liquid.

So Dr. FuelMax is saying that the catalyst fractionates the hydrocarbon to smaller more combustible hydrocarbons. However, most of normal gas is NOT primarily butane or even pentane, hexane, etc. because it is too likely to evaporate in the tank and not get to the pistons. I know all gas does have a small amount of butane to help with cold starts but at normal ambient temperature, say 20 degrees celsius, butane would be a gas and probably not very useable. The more branches in a hydrocarbon, the less resistant to ignition and thus knocking.

My question is, if it fractionates the hydrocarbons to a more volatile "highly combustible" molecules," and somehow the these do stay a liquid long enough to get to the pistons, will the MAF be able to compensate sufficiently to prevent knocking?


FYI:
2,2,4 trimethylpentane (aka octane for it's 8 carbons) has the highest octane (100) (highest resistance to knocking) and is 8 carbons long. It is highly branched which helps it from vaporizing. The opposite end of the spectrum is n-heptane which is not branched but is very succeptible to knocking thus it's octane is 0.

Also, each type of gas has two numbers r and m and the octane is the average of the two. R=research, m=motor. R= hard acceleration at low speeds, m=no acceleration at high speeds.
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THREAD IS LOCKED

Metal...if you have something to say RE your test and etc PM me and i'll consider reopening it or placing it in the thread.

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http://www.fuelmaxlitigation.com/index.html
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FTC Halts Bogus Claims For “Fuel Saving” Device
Four Million Dollar Settlement Imposes Lifetime Ban on the Sale or Manufacture of Devices
The manufacturer of a magnetic “fuel saving” and emissions-reduction device that did not save fuel or reduce emissions will pay $4.2 million to settle Federal Trade Commission charges that his advertising claims were false. The FTC will seek to provide redress to consumers who bought the device based on the false advertising claims. In addition, the defendants will be banned from selling or manufacturing magnetic fuel savings and emissions reduction devices.

“Consumers are looking for ways to increase fuel efficiency and save money at the pump,” said Lydia Parnes, Director of the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection. “There are some practical ways to do that, like following the maintenance schedule in your owner's manual, combining errands, and avoiding jack-rabbit starts. The fact is that many products that claim to save fuel don't work, and worse yet, may damage your car and end up costing you more.”

In October 2004, the FTC filed a suit in U.S. district court alleging that marketers, and the resellers working with them, were making deceptive claims for FuelMAX and Super FuelMax products. The Web site operators and their affiliates – spammers who drove traffic to their sites – made claims such as:

Increases gas mileage 27%;
Reduces Fuel Consumption;
Reduces Emissions;
The FTC alleged that the magnetic “fuel saver” does not save fuel, does not increase gas mileage, and does not reduce emissions. The agency charged that the false claims violate the FTC Act. The agency also alleged that by providing promotional materials with false claims to affiliates, the defendants provided them with the means to violate the FTC Act.

In May 2005, the Web site marketers and spammers who promoted the products settled the FTC suits. The settlements barred violations of the FTC Act and the CAN-SPAM Act and barred them from making deceptive claims. The action announced today settles charges against the manufacturer, International Research & Development Corp. of Nevada, and its principal, Anthony Renda.

The settlement imposes a lifetime ban on the manufacture, advertising, or sale of FuelMAX, Super FuelMAX, or any similar fuel saving or emissions-decreasing product. It bars false or unsubstantiated claims and misrepresentations that products increase gas mileage or reduce emissions. The settlement bars the defendants from misrepresenting the contents, validity, results, conclusions, or interpretations of studies and bars them from performance or efficacy claims unless they possess and rely upon competent and reliable evidence. It also bars them from assisting others or providing others with the means and instrumentalities to commit deception. Finally, the defendants will pay $4.2 million for consumer redress.

The FTC has established a hotline containing a recorded message for consumers who think they are entitled to a refund. Consumers should call 1-877-382-2020 for more information about obtaining a refund.

These cases were brought with the assistance of the Environmental Protection Agency.

The FTC has tips on increasing fuel efficiency and saving money at the pump at http://www.ftc.gov/savegas

The Commission vote to approve the settlement was 5-0.

NOTE: Stipulated final judgments and orders are for settlement purposes only and do not constitute an admission by the defendant of a law violation. Consent judgments have the force of law when signed by the judge.

Copies of the complaint and stipulated final order are available from the FTC’s Web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC’s Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580. The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop, and avoid them. To file a complaint in English or Spanish (bilingual counselors are available to take complaints), or to get free information on any of 150 consumer topics, call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357), or use the complaint form at http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/complaint.htm. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity theft, and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure, online database available to thousands of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad.

Media Contact:
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(FTC File No. X05 0002)
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2006/08/savegas.shtm

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Nice litigation that Fuelmax is bogus garbage...
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Wasn't this thread locked? It's ancient



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