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Old 10-23-2000, 08:51 PM
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i still dont get the diff between wet and dry.
what parts are required to run NOS?
what gauges are recommended for use with NOS?
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If you get a dry system.. Meaning you just use nitrous and inject it into the intact tract. all you really need is the kit itself. It consists of the bottle, some line.. nitrous selnoid and the jet. Basicly you make a hole in your throttle body or something.. And it shoots nitrous into the incomming air. This is the easist way to do it.. But you won't get a precise air/fuel mixture. So it won't make as much power as a wet kit. This is also the more dangerous kit. Esepcially if you go with big jets. If you can easily go lean and blow up your engine with big dry kits. A wet kit has more parts. Same as dry kit. But it has multiple jets. Multiple nitrous and multiple fuel jets. More holes.
These jets are usually placed along the intake manifold. And as the nitrous is introduced to the engine. Additional fuel is introduced either. This makes it safer to run big horsepower. You also need a bottle heater to keep the bottle pressure up. You will at least need a air/fuel meter and a bottle pressure meter.


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NOS Tech Info

A wet system has a fuel solenoid and a nitrous solenoid. So...the extra fuel that is needed when spraying nitrous is supplied through a solenoid and a jet. With a dry system you only supply nitrous to the engine, the fuel injectors supply the additional fuel. Your fuel pump must be up to the task in either case but your injectors must also be up to the task with a dry system.

The cons of a single fogger wet kit are that you have a fuel 'noid and if it fails, disaster, only one N2O 'noid (if it sticks wide open, disaster), fuel is not distributed as efficiently or evenly, fuel can puddle in the intake manifold (which was never meant to flow fuel saturated air) and cause an intake backfire, bottle pressure is crucial because it affects the fuel/air ratio, if the bottle goes empty during a run or the N2O flow is stopped for any reason your car goes extremely rich.

The cons of a dry kit are that if you want to go higher than a 65hp shot you will need an upgraded fuel pump. With a wet kit you can go to a 65hp shot right off the bat and then you'll need an additional fuel pump if you want to go bigger but no injectors.

The dry kits comes with a 10lb bottle with a nitrous pressure gauge, two small (Power Shot) solenoids with mounting bracket, 18 ft main line, two short lines, two nozzles, one "T" fitting, two jets, a FP cutoff switch, a micro switch, an arming switch, bottle brackets, a blow down tube, some fittings, and some electrical stuff. Ease of installation is opinionated but most folks get through it ok. It's just a bit aggravating with all the running of wires.

You should get some cooler plugs. I use NGK PFR6B-11 these are one step colder than the factory plugs on the Maxima, they are the stock plugs for the 300ZXTT (Thanks Don!!!) Generally, for every 50 hp that you add you need to decrease the gap by .004. If you add 75hp over stock you should decrease the gap .006. You have to account for all the power that you have added. Not just what you've added with N2O. So if you've added 25 NA hp and 75 N2O power you would decrease the gap by .008.

It is also recommended that you retard the ignition timing 2 degrees per 50hp. The only way to do this on the Maxima is by using the JWT NOS ECU Daughter board. Its ~$900 and only available for the 95 & 96 years of the 4th gens. This kit also controls the fuel flow for NOS runs. It’s the way to go if you have the $$$.

As long as you don't spray at too low of an rpm (below 2500 is getting dangerous) then you really have no need of a window switch on an automatic. You can manually engage the N2O at the appropriate rpm with your arming switch. On a 5 speed a window switch is a good idea. The window switch will allow you to launch at a low rpm and then the NOS will come on at where ever you set it (~3500rpm), this way you wont loose too much traction on launch. If your clutch lets go you will blow your motor. The window switch will turn off the NOS at where ever you set it (~6200rpm)

A fuel pressure safety switch (FPSS) is a must have device, but they sometimes come misadjusted from the factory. You can adjust it by turning the screw counterclockwise until it makes connection. I don't use one but I probably should. It has a spring in it that is defeated by the fuel pressure. So long as it is defeated, the circuit is connected but if the pressure drops, the spring extends and the connection is broken. When you adjust it you are just changing the preload on the spring.

Here are some other very nice but not necessary items...

A bottle heater (preferable the NX model since it is pressure actuated instead of temperature or manually actuated and much more powerful than the other brands to boot.)

A remote bottle opener is great for street use since you can turn the bottle on from the driver's seat. The NOS brand is a heavy-duty solenoid that attached to the bottle directly or is put inline away from the bottle. The NX opener is a literal bottler opener. It actually turns the bottle valve when you flip the switch.

A progressive controller allows you to set how much nitrous is sprayed out of the hole and how long it takes to reach %100. This is GREAT for adjusting for traction limitations!

With a cockpit mounted nitrous pressure gauge you'll never be in doubt.

You'll have no trouble with running 93 octane as long as you stay with ~65 shot or less. Even an 80 shot may work fine for you with 93 octane (it does for me) but I wouldn't try this unless you have an EGT gauge or A/F ratio gauge to see what is going on.


A purge kit makes for quite an intimidating show but if you want to save a little money you can get the same effect as a purge kit if you hit the spray briefly during your burnout. A second or so is all it takes. Having air in the line is really a bigger problem with a wet kit as it creates a rich conditions when the fuel flows and the N2O is not yet there. With a dry kit it just doesn't hit quite as hard with air in the line, which can be a very desirable thing if traction is a problem. You might just leave that air in the line if this is the case.

Ok, you've got your kit installed. Now what? Let's check to see if it will fire. With the bottle off, arm the system and have someone push the pedal to the floor. Does the WOT switch get tripped? Do you hear and feel the noid's click on and then off again when the pedal is released? If you have a FPSS you'll have to bypass it to get the 'noids to click with the engine off by connecting the wires to it together. Just screw them both to the same post of the switch. Ok, disarm it and open the bottle. Check for leaks.

I would suggest starting with the smallest jets you have for testing purposes and work your way up. A 65 hp shot is all you should spray with the stock fuel system

Approximate HP values for NOS single NOS Jets
HP NOS Jet
25 .024
30 .026
35 .028
40 .032
50 .034
65 .036
75 .040
80 .042

When you first make your test runs you need to check your spark plugs. If you see metallic specs (looks like pepper) on the white insulator part of the plugs you are too lean. Or if the ground strap on the spark plug looks like its anodized blue you are too lean. Adjust you system to compensate.

This is good info, if you have different opinions please post them, but no flames please.

*I edited this for our application from LS1.com, Forums, The Colonel's N2O Tech File!!! All credit to Steven Sanders AKA "The Colonel"


[Edited by MardiGrasMax on 10-24-2000 at 10:06 AM]
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Dry kit consist of one nitrous jet and you use the stock fuel system for the extra fuel. When you go WOT, the nitrous jet opens up and some how it signal to the fuel pressure reg. to increase the fuel pressure. More fuel will be added at the injectors to compensate for the nitrous. I think via vacuum hose. The nitrous mixes with the fuel at the fuel injectors. You put the nitrous jet in the intake piping about 1"-2" before the throttle body. Pro: Easy to install Con: 1. You get rich condition before the nitrous reach the fuel injector. 2. Harder to tune since you have less control over how much fuel to use.

When people say wet kit, they are talking about the one nitrous jet and one fuel jet kit. Or toghther they are call the fogger. It's place at the same spot as the dry kit. It injects both nitrous and fuel at the same time. No signal to the fuel pressure regulator. The nitrous mixes with the fuel right from the start. Pro: Easier to tune since now you have full control over how much fuel and nitrous to mix. Con: The nitrous/fuel mix needs to travel through all the intake manifold kinks and ridges. The mixture gets trap or puddle along the intake manifold that can cause back fire. The nitrous/fuel might not reach the last intake runner/cylinder since it get all suck up by the ones before....inconsistant result.

Now, the best kit. The direct port kit. Like the wet kit, using one nitrous jet and one fuel fuel. aka fogger. Here's the good part. Instead of one set before the throttle body, now there are several sets on the intake manifold. Number of sets depends on how many intake runners you have. No more fuel/nitrous puddle since the placement of the jets are at the end of the upper intake manifold. The mixture will reach all cylinders since they are placed right at the end of each intake runners. Pro: Easy to tune since you have full control of nitrous and fuel. Con: Installation. You have to take the upper intake manifold out to drill the holes and run the plumbing.

If you want to run nitrous, make sure you learn how to use them and tune them. 1. You car needs to be in top shape to start with. 2. You will need to learn how to read your spark plugs for lean conditions. 3. I would get fuel pressure gauge and an EGT gauge just to make sure you don't run lean. 4. Self control. Don't get greedy and start to increase your nitrous. The more power you are putting down, the more things can break.



Originally posted by ZuMBLe
If you get a dry system.. Meaning you just use nitrous and inject it into the intact tract. all you really need is the kit itself. It consists of the bottle, some line.. nitrous selnoid and the jet. Basicly you make a hole in your throttle body or something.. And it shoots nitrous into the incomming air. This is the easist way to do it.. But you won't get a precise air/fuel mixture. So it won't make as much power as a wet kit. This is also the more dangerous kit. Esepcially if you go with big jets. If you can easily go lean and blow up your engine with big dry kits. A wet kit has more parts. Same as dry kit. But it has multiple jets. Multiple nitrous and multiple fuel jets. More holes.
These jets are usually placed along the intake manifold. And as the nitrous is introduced to the engine. Additional fuel is introduced either. This makes it safer to run big horsepower. You also need a bottle heater to keep the bottle pressure up. You will at least need a air/fuel meter and a bottle pressure meter.


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wow guys excellent material!! someone should FAQ some of this stuff.
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i dunno..u tell me.
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wow guys excellent material!! someone should FAQ some of this stuff.
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FAQ fa sure...

I have it in word and will add some suff to it. Perhaps Jambo can put it in the FAQ???
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Originally posted by DanNY
wow guys excellent material!! someone should FAQ some of this stuff.
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I'm really gratefull too, for all the 411 on this subject. At least I have some reference material now, thanks to all!

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Mardigrasmax's reponse holds more water than mine. I don't even have nitrous on my car. All these stuff I just pick up from looking at engine bays and reading mags. ie. Turbo and Fast Fords and Mustangs. I really want to go nitrous way, but I don't have many local support. Not many people in my area have experience in them. People usually run dry kit or single fogger wet kit. I want to do direct port. If I'm going nitrous, it will be this winter. I'm taking my upper intake manifold off this winter to get it polished, so I might as well have the plumbings done.

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I wonder how many FAQ's we have running now?

Anyone care to list them all??

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Originally posted by Lordrandall
I wonder how many FAQ's we have running now?

Anyone care to list them all??

I'll FAQ this on Maxima.org... but I can't FAQ that real nice and long one. If someone is willing to sum it up for me, I can do that. Credit will be give to you ofcourse...


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Cool

OK!!! Shing I'll E-Mail you a short version in a few days.
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Re: NOS Tech Info

Originally posted by MardiGrasMax
A wet system has a fuel solenoid and a nitrous solenoid. So...the extra fuel that is needed when spraying nitrous is supplied through a solenoid and a jet. With a dry system you only supply nitrous to the engine, the fuel injectors supply the additional fuel. Your fuel pump must be up to the task in either case but your injectors must also be up to the task with a dry system.

The cons of a single fogger wet kit are that you have a fuel 'noid and if it fails, disaster, only one N2O 'noid (if it sticks wide open, disaster), fuel is not distributed as efficiently or evenly, fuel can puddle in the intake manifold (which was never meant to flow fuel saturated air) and cause an intake backfire, bottle pressure is crucial because it affects the fuel/air ratio, if the bottle goes empty during a run or the N2O flow is stopped for any reason your car goes extremely rich.

The cons of a dry kit are that if you want to go higher than a 65hp shot you will need an upgraded fuel pump. With a wet kit you can go to a 65hp shot right off the bat and then you'll need an additional fuel pump if you want to go bigger but no injectors.

The dry kits comes with a 10lb bottle with a nitrous pressure gauge, two small (Power Shot) solenoids with mounting bracket, 18 ft main line, two short lines, two nozzles, one "T" fitting, two jets, a FP cutoff switch, a micro switch, an arming switch, bottle brackets, a blow down tube, some fittings, and some electrical stuff. Ease of installation is opinionated but most folks get through it ok. It's just a bit aggravating with all the running of wires.

You should get some cooler plugs. I use NGK PFR6B-11 these are one step colder than the factory plugs on the Maxima, they are the stock plugs for the 300ZXTT (Thanks Don!!!) Generally, for every 50 hp that you add you need to decrease the gap by .004. If you add 75hp over stock you should decrease the gap .006. You have to account for all the power that you have added. Not just what you've added with N2O. So if you've added 25 NA hp and 75 N2O power you would decrease the gap by .008.

It is also recommended that you retard the ignition timing 2 degrees per 50hp. The only way to do this on the Maxima is by using the JWT NOS ECU Daughter board. Its ~$900 and only available for the 95 & 96 years of the 4th gens. This kit also controls the fuel flow for NOS runs. It’s the way to go if you have the $$$.

As long as you don't spray at too low of an rpm (below 2500 is getting dangerous) then you really have no need of a window switch on an automatic. You can manually engage the N2O at the appropriate rpm with your arming switch. On a 5 speed a window switch is a good idea. The window switch will allow you to launch at a low rpm and then the NOS will come on at where ever you set it (~3500rpm), this way you wont loose too much traction on launch. If your clutch lets go you will blow your motor. The window switch will turn off the NOS at where ever you set it (~6200rpm)

A fuel pressure safety switch (FPSS) is a must have device, but they sometimes come misadjusted from the factory. You can adjust it by turning the screw counterclockwise until it makes connection. I don't use one but I probably should. It has a spring in it that is defeated by the fuel pressure. So long as it is defeated, the circuit is connected but if the pressure drops, the spring extends and the connection is broken. When you adjust it you are just changing the preload on the spring.

Here are some other very nice but not necessary items...

A bottle heater (preferable the NX model since it is pressure actuated instead of temperature or manually actuated and much more powerful than the other brands to boot.)

A remote bottle opener is great for street use since you can turn the bottle on from the driver's seat. The NOS brand is a heavy-duty solenoid that attached to the bottle directly or is put inline away from the bottle. The NX opener is a literal bottler opener. It actually turns the bottle valve when you flip the switch.

A progressive controller allows you to set how much nitrous is sprayed out of the hole and how long it takes to reach %100. This is GREAT for adjusting for traction limitations!

With a cockpit mounted nitrous pressure gauge you'll never be in doubt.

You'll have no trouble with running 93 octane as long as you stay with ~65 shot or less. Even an 80 shot may work fine for you with 93 octane (it does for me) but I wouldn't try this unless you have an EGT gauge or A/F ratio gauge to see what is going on.


A purge kit makes for quite an intimidating show but if you want to save a little money you can get the same effect as a purge kit if you hit the spray briefly during your burnout. A second or so is all it takes. Having air in the line is really a bigger problem with a wet kit as it creates a rich conditions when the fuel flows and the N2O is not yet there. With a dry kit it just doesn't hit quite as hard with air in the line, which can be a very desirable thing if traction is a problem. You might just leave that air in the line if this is the case.

Ok, you've got your kit installed. Now what? Let's check to see if it will fire. With the bottle off, arm the system and have someone push the pedal to the floor. Does the WOT switch get tripped? Do you hear and feel the noid's click on and then off again when the pedal is released? If you have a FPSS you'll have to bypass it to get the 'noids to click with the engine off by connecting the wires to it together. Just screw them both to the same post of the switch. Ok, disarm it and open the bottle. Check for leaks.

I would suggest starting with the smallest jets you have for testing purposes and work your way up. A 65 hp shot is all you should spray with the stock fuel system

Approximate HP values for NOS single NOS Jets
HP NOS Jet
25 .024
30 .026
35 .028
40 .032
50 .034
65 .036
75 .040
80 .042

When you first make your test runs you need to check your spark plugs. If you see metallic specs (looks like pepper) on the white insulator part of the plugs you are too lean. Or if the ground strap on the spark plug looks like its anodized blue you are too lean. Adjust you system to compensate.

This is good info, if you have different opinions please post them, but no flames please.

*I edited this for our application from LS1.com, Forums, The Colonel's N2O Tech File!!! All credit to Steven Sanders AKA "The Colonel"


[Edited by MardiGrasMax on 10-24-2000 at 10:06 AM]
daymn, i didnt expect a reply this long, but thanx for the info!
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