Just went from a popcharger to CAI....WOW!
01-06-2002, 06:59 PM
#41
Originally posted by Craig Mack
Link me.
Link me.
01-06-2002, 07:24 PM
#42
not louder than CAI?
believe me it is. Steve's old car was not as loud (he had CAI, Y, no cats), and I havent heard any Maxima that loud yet (and ive been to quite a few meets).
oh yeah... not to mention 10hp gain
- matt
believe me it is. Steve's old car was not as loud (he had CAI, Y, no cats), and I havent heard any Maxima that loud yet (and ive been to quite a few meets).
oh yeah... not to mention 10hp gain
- matt
01-06-2002, 07:28 PM
#43
Originally posted by mattC
not louder than CAI?
believe me it is. Steve's old car was not as loud (he had CAI, Y, no cats), and I havent heard any Maxima that loud yet (and ive been to quite a few meets).
oh yeah... not to mention 10hp gain
- matt
not louder than CAI?
believe me it is. Steve's old car was not as loud (he had CAI, Y, no cats), and I havent heard any Maxima that loud yet (and ive been to quite a few meets).
oh yeah... not to mention 10hp gain
- matt
01-06-2002, 07:32 PM
#44
Originally posted by deezo
Mike's car was loud.
Mike's car was loud.
01-06-2002, 08:20 PM
#45
i have the upper portion of the PR CAI and then the stillen intake with a K&N , so i basically have a hybrid intake that is loud as a ****! CAI is just as loud cause of the droning through the pipe. first time i heard the cai was on synki's car, i creamed my pants
01-06-2002, 09:48 PM
#46
I don't know why people think that the CAI gives you a boost in power while the SI looses power.
Funny thing is, the fastest N/A maximas ALL have popcharger intakes.
Sound and butt dynos don't mean $hit. Go CHASSIS dyno each intake...and you'll see that you're actually missing out on some power up top with the CAI.
Funny thing is, the fastest N/A maximas ALL have popcharger intakes.
Sound and butt dynos don't mean $hit. Go CHASSIS dyno each intake...and you'll see that you're actually missing out on some power up top with the CAI.
01-07-2002, 05:35 AM
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Re: Re: Just went from a popcharger to CAI....WOW!
Originally posted by maxperformance
This is just what i needed to hear. That sound is exactly what im looking for. How Much and where can i get it?
This is just what i needed to hear. That sound is exactly what im looking for. How Much and where can i get it?
You can get my CAI at www.cattman.com
Or www.custommaxima.com
or www.warpspeedperformance.com
01-07-2002, 05:42 AM
#52
Originally posted by emax95
My 95 max was the loudest max I ever heard, especially after the headers were added.
My 95 max was the loudest max I ever heard, especially after the headers were added.
01-07-2002, 06:18 AM
#53
Originally posted by MaximaRider
i have the upper portion of the PR CAI and then the stillen intake with a K&N , so i basically have a hybrid intake that is loud as a ****! CAI is just as loud cause of the droning through the pipe. first time i heard the cai was on synki's car, i creamed my pants
i have the upper portion of the PR CAI and then the stillen intake with a K&N , so i basically have a hybrid intake that is loud as a ****! CAI is just as loud cause of the droning through the pipe. first time i heard the cai was on synki's car, i creamed my pants
I had two maxes at the same time, one with a PR CAI and one with the Stillen intake and similar power mods all around (the car with the CAI had a RT CAT and Apexi Catback, while the SI car didn't).
I can honestly say that I didn't notice ANY lag in the SI car compared to the CAI car at all. Noise was very different, but I doubt that you'll find much of a power difference between the two.
01-07-2002, 11:02 AM
#54
True. But here's the thing for the CAI;
a) the CAI boosts the VQ's power from stock in a way that you can use everyday. The POP benefit only is of value if you race all the time. Middle to low end torque is hurt somewhat with the POP. Not so with the CAI.
b) I'm beginning to believe the the CAI loss at the top end is really only the CAI showing the 4th gens main weakness, no variable intake manifold to shorten the intake runners at highr rpms. To support my theory, we'd have to see dynos of 2 5th gen Maximas, one with POP, one with CAI.
DW
a) the CAI boosts the VQ's power from stock in a way that you can use everyday. The POP benefit only is of value if you race all the time. Middle to low end torque is hurt somewhat with the POP. Not so with the CAI.
b) I'm beginning to believe the the CAI loss at the top end is really only the CAI showing the 4th gens main weakness, no variable intake manifold to shorten the intake runners at highr rpms. To support my theory, we'd have to see dynos of 2 5th gen Maximas, one with POP, one with CAI.
DW
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
I don't know why people think that the CAI gives you a boost in power while the SI looses power.
Funny thing is, the fastest N/A maximas ALL have popcharger intakes.
Sound and butt dynos don't mean $hit. Go CHASSIS dyno each intake...and you'll see that you're actually missing out on some power up top with the CAI.
I don't know why people think that the CAI gives you a boost in power while the SI looses power.
Funny thing is, the fastest N/A maximas ALL have popcharger intakes.
Sound and butt dynos don't mean $hit. Go CHASSIS dyno each intake...and you'll see that you're actually missing out on some power up top with the CAI.
01-07-2002, 11:15 AM
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Re: Just went from a popcharger to CAI....WOW!
Originally posted by Craig Mack
First of all let me say thank you to Brian Catts for his kind service.
Although we had to be a little "creative" during the install. The hole we drilled we used the little rubber circle that came off the stock intake adaptor and it fit around the hole perfectly, and the CAI tube fit in it snug and perfectly.
Ok, performance wise before the install all I had was a cone popcharger. Now the Cattman (PR) cai...
W-O-W. The lag is no more! I mean, it's hard to tell becuase the difference of a pop isn't huge, but man! It accelerates more freely and don't even get me started on the sound. People who say the CAI is like a pop except maybe a little louder, you are wrong my friends. It sounds like a p!ssed off dragon or something under hard acceleration. Immediantly put a smile on my face. My sister has the pop I had and I took her for a ride, and she was like "woah, that sounds like a race car!"
All the pop gave me was a bum,bum,bum, a pretty deep sound and a lag. My tires spin off the line a little more now with the CAI, and the car feels like it can revv more freely.
Now, midrange power. Belive me or not I felt a little more boost in that area with the CAI over the pop as well. I havent tested the highway yet, but I go to school tommorow so I will then.
In my opinion, the switch was TOTALLY worth it. The engine sounds much more aggressive and unique. For anyone who wants to make the switch, and have the $$ GO FOR IT!
First of all let me say thank you to Brian Catts for his kind service.
Although we had to be a little "creative" during the install. The hole we drilled we used the little rubber circle that came off the stock intake adaptor and it fit around the hole perfectly, and the CAI tube fit in it snug and perfectly.Ok, performance wise before the install all I had was a cone popcharger. Now the Cattman (PR) cai...
W-O-W. The lag is no more! I mean, it's hard to tell becuase the difference of a pop isn't huge, but man! It accelerates more freely and don't even get me started on the sound. People who say the CAI is like a pop except maybe a little louder, you are wrong my friends. It sounds like a p!ssed off dragon or something under hard acceleration. Immediantly put a smile on my face. My sister has the pop I had and I took her for a ride, and she was like "woah, that sounds like a race car!"
All the pop gave me was a bum,bum,bum, a pretty deep sound and a lag. My tires spin off the line a little more now with the CAI, and the car feels like it can revv more freely.
Now, midrange power. Belive me or not I felt a little more boost in that area with the CAI over the pop as well. I havent tested the highway yet, but I go to school tommorow so I will then.
In my opinion, the switch was TOTALLY worth it. The engine sounds much more aggressive and unique. For anyone who wants to make the switch, and have the $$ GO FOR IT!
Funny you should post this today...I just installed my Place Racing CAI over the weekend. I had just the K&N in the stock airbox before. The difference is very much as you described it. To feel the difference, take off on a rolling start and keep a steady 3/4 throttle, watch what happens when it gets above 3k rpms. I love my investment. For those out there on the fence as to wether is worth it or not; all you're missing is much more violent throttle response off the line, mid range punch at regular speeds, and a scary sound when you go to WOT. Is that worth a couple of hundred bucks? To me the answer is a resounding, HELL YEA!.....
01-07-2002, 01:06 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Just went from a popcharger to CAI....WOW!
Originally posted by emax95
Well if your not comfortable with drilling a large hole in the side of your car a pop intake is the way to go. I knocked off .2 tenths of a second off my 0-60{consitently too} times with my stillen intake. I also like to know if I ever have to go in for warranty work I can pop my pop off in about 2 minutes.
Well if your not comfortable with drilling a large hole in the side of your car a pop intake is the way to go. I knocked off .2 tenths of a second off my 0-60{consitently too} times with my stillen intake. I also like to know if I ever have to go in for warranty work I can pop my pop off in about 2 minutes.
01-07-2002, 01:56 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just went from a popcharger to CAI....WOW!
Originally posted by Craig Mack
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You will be amazed
01-07-2002, 02:05 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just went from a popcharger to CAI....WOW!
Originally posted by RedMax95
i dont doubt it, whats awful i went over to my friends house, and he has a 90 5.0 and i was like i ordered a cai and he takes me into his garage and shows me the 5.6 liter engine he just got, made me feel quite insignificant
i dont doubt it, whats awful i went over to my friends house, and he has a 90 5.0 and i was like i ordered a cai and he takes me into his garage and shows me the 5.6 liter engine he just got, made me feel quite insignificant
01-07-2002, 04:02 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Just went from a popcharger to CAI....WOW!
Originally posted by Craig Mack
My real name is Craig R. but Craig M. is fine
My real name is Craig R. but Craig M. is fine
(I bet you won't get it)
01-07-2002, 04:04 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Just went from a popcharger to CAI....WOW!
Originally posted by deezo
What about Craig-R? :w: (I bet you won't get it)
What about Craig-R? :w: (I bet you won't get it)
Foo, first you insult me by calling me a rice boy then you tell my I won't get the joke ? Shame Deezo, Shame. 
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01-07-2002, 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
Foo, first you insult me by calling me a rice boy then you tell my I won't get the joke ? Shame Deezo, Shame.
It will, and always will be Craig Mack baby 4000 dagreez
Foo, first you insult me by calling me a rice boy then you tell my I won't get the joke ? Shame Deezo, Shame. It will, and always will be Craig Mack baby 4000 dagreez
01-07-2002, 04:52 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just went from a popcharger to CAI....WOW!
Originally posted by deezo
I told you you wouldn't get it.
I told you you wouldn't get it.
01-07-2002, 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
Craig-R = Craig type R or somethin like that, right ? I've never heard of a rapper named craig-r
Craig-R = Craig type R or somethin like that, right ? I've never heard of a rapper named craig-r
01-07-2002, 08:26 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just went from a popcharger to CAI....WOW!
Originally posted by Craig Mack
01-07-2002, 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by dwapenyi
True. But here's the thing for the CAI;
a) the CAI boosts the VQ's power from stock in a way that you can use everyday. The POP benefit only is of value if you race all the time. Middle to low end torque is hurt somewhat with the POP. Not so with the CAI.
True. But here's the thing for the CAI;
a) the CAI boosts the VQ's power from stock in a way that you can use everyday. The POP benefit only is of value if you race all the time. Middle to low end torque is hurt somewhat with the POP. Not so with the CAI.
01-07-2002, 08:52 PM
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My thoughts are similar
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
I don't know why people think that the CAI gives you a boost in power while the SI looses power.
Funny thing is, the fastest N/A maximas ALL have popcharger intakes.
Sound and butt dynos don't mean $hit. Go CHASSIS dyno each intake...and you'll see that you're actually missing out on some power up top with the CAI.
I don't know why people think that the CAI gives you a boost in power while the SI looses power.
Funny thing is, the fastest N/A maximas ALL have popcharger intakes.
Sound and butt dynos don't mean $hit. Go CHASSIS dyno each intake...and you'll see that you're actually missing out on some power up top with the CAI.
01-07-2002, 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by dwapenyi
True. But here's the thing for the CAI;
a) the CAI boosts the VQ's power from stock in a way that you can use everyday. The POP benefit only is of value if you race all the time. Middle to low end torque is hurt somewhat with the POP. Not so with the CAI.
True. But here's the thing for the CAI;
a) the CAI boosts the VQ's power from stock in a way that you can use everyday. The POP benefit only is of value if you race all the time. Middle to low end torque is hurt somewhat with the POP. Not so with the CAI.
CAI vs. SI
..both cars were dynoed the same day...and both cars have been run against each other. One with CAI and one with the SI. as you notice from the dyno chart.....the power is EQUAL from both up to 50 mph...where the pop makes MORE power. Only from 70 to 80 does the CAI make more power...but then the pop comes back on top a full 5hp ahead of the CAI. I wouldn't exactly call that a mid to low end loss by the SI....
01-07-2002, 08:57 PM
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We've had this discussion before. The dynos were of two different cars from different years
Not one car with a CAI and then a HAI, but one car with a HAI and another car with a CAI.
And as we know cars are different. Same year cars are different enough let alone two different cars from two different years.
(btw, I'm a HAI guy myself.)
Not one car with a CAI and then a HAI, but one car with a HAI and another car with a CAI.
And as we know cars are different. Same year cars are different enough let alone two different cars from two different years.
(btw, I'm a HAI guy myself.)
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
take a look at this link..
CAI vs. SI
..both cars were dynoed the same day...and both cars have been run against each other. One with CAI and one with the SI. as you notice from the dyno chart.....the power is EQUAL from both up to 50 mph...where the pop makes MORE power. Only from 70 to 80 does the CAI make more power...but then the pop comes back on top a full 5hp ahead of the CAI. I wouldn't exactly call that a mid to low end loss by the SI....
take a look at this link..
CAI vs. SI
..both cars were dynoed the same day...and both cars have been run against each other. One with CAI and one with the SI. as you notice from the dyno chart.....the power is EQUAL from both up to 50 mph...where the pop makes MORE power. Only from 70 to 80 does the CAI make more power...but then the pop comes back on top a full 5hp ahead of the CAI. I wouldn't exactly call that a mid to low end loss by the SI....
01-07-2002, 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by clee130
We've had this discussion before. The dynos were of two different cars from different years
Not one car with a CAI and then a HAI, but one car with a HAI and another car with a CAI.
And as we know cars are different. Same year cars are different enough let alone two different cars from two different years.
(btw, I'm a HAI guy myself.)
We've had this discussion before. The dynos were of two different cars from different years
Not one car with a CAI and then a HAI, but one car with a HAI and another car with a CAI.
And as we know cars are different. Same year cars are different enough let alone two different cars from two different years.
(btw, I'm a HAI guy myself.)
01-07-2002, 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by clee130
We've had this discussion before. The dynos were of two different cars from different years
Not one car with a CAI and then a HAI, but one car with a HAI and another car with a CAI.
And as we know cars are different. Same year cars are different enough let alone two different cars from two different years.
(btw, I'm a HAI guy myself.)
We've had this discussion before. The dynos were of two different cars from different years
Not one car with a CAI and then a HAI, but one car with a HAI and another car with a CAI.
And as we know cars are different. Same year cars are different enough let alone two different cars from two different years.
(btw, I'm a HAI guy myself.)
The original point of this thread was someones observation that they're car was "faster" (butt dynoed) with the CAI....and I'm just saying that's not true...
01-08-2002, 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
I know that....but I was just trying to show that on a DYNO...there is NOT a loss of low end with a popcharger....and 96sleeper futhrer proved my point with the fact that he spins all the way through first with a popcharger...
The original point of this thread was someones observation that they're car was "faster" (butt dynoed) with the CAI....and I'm just saying that's not true...
I know that....but I was just trying to show that on a DYNO...there is NOT a loss of low end with a popcharger....and 96sleeper futhrer proved my point with the fact that he spins all the way through first with a popcharger...
The original point of this thread was someones observation that they're car was "faster" (butt dynoed) with the CAI....and I'm just saying that's not true...
01-08-2002, 07:11 AM
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Yeah, what Clee said. I've seen the graphs and concluded the same thing. Now, the dyno shows that the SI ultimately is the better mod, but this doesn't take into account the real world experiences.
I do agree that the POP is better at the track, that's because you are only in one mode at the track:WOT
But real world driving where you are feathering the throttle, then you mash it, then you cut back, then you cruise, etc, the CAI is better. The CAI is better suited to the dynamics of daily driving. ANd it still gives a hell of a boost in power (and sound!) over stock.
DW
I do agree that the POP is better at the track, that's because you are only in one mode at the track:WOT
But real world driving where you are feathering the throttle, then you mash it, then you cut back, then you cruise, etc, the CAI is better. The CAI is better suited to the dynamics of daily driving. ANd it still gives a hell of a boost in power (and sound!) over stock.
DW
Originally posted by clee130
We've had this discussion before. The dynos were of two different cars from different years
Not one car with a CAI and then a HAI, but one car with a HAI and another car with a CAI.
And as we know cars are different. Same year cars are different enough let alone two different cars from two different years.
(btw, I'm a HAI guy myself.)
We've had this discussion before. The dynos were of two different cars from different years
Not one car with a CAI and then a HAI, but one car with a HAI and another car with a CAI.
And as we know cars are different. Same year cars are different enough let alone two different cars from two different years.
(btw, I'm a HAI guy myself.)
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