Spanked a M3 on the highway today!
Originally posted by MAX2000JP
I know how drafting works. Watch Nascar and they will explain it 10 times during a race. Drafting doesnt work on the "street", it is more useful on a closed race course. Drafting works as low as about 85 mph and the effects increase the faster you go. As for drafting 6 cars back, thats BS. You have to be up on the front cars @ss or you will be out of the front cars airlow.
I know how drafting works. Watch Nascar and they will explain it 10 times during a race. Drafting doesnt work on the "street", it is more useful on a closed race course. Drafting works as low as about 85 mph and the effects increase the faster you go. As for drafting 6 cars back, thats BS. You have to be up on the front cars @ss or you will be out of the front cars airlow.
Even at 60 mph, there is a drag that slows your vehicle.
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Originally posted by MAX2000JP
I know how drafting works. Watch Nascar and they will explain it 10 times during a race. Drafting doesnt work on the "street"
I know how drafting works. Watch Nascar and they will explain it 10 times during a race. Drafting doesnt work on the "street"
it is more useful on a closed race course. Drafting works as low as about 85 mph and the effects increase the faster you go.
As for drafting 6 cars back, thats BS. You have to be up on the front cars @ss or you will be out of the front cars airlow.
Originally posted by MAX2000JP
I know how drafting works. Watch Nascar and they will explain it 10 times during a race. Drafting doesnt work on the "street", it is more useful on a closed race course. Drafting works as low as about 85 mph and the effects increase the faster you go. As for drafting 6 cars back, thats BS. You have to be up on the front cars @ss or you will be out of the front cars airlow.
I know how drafting works. Watch Nascar and they will explain it 10 times during a race. Drafting doesnt work on the "street", it is more useful on a closed race course. Drafting works as low as about 85 mph and the effects increase the faster you go. As for drafting 6 cars back, thats BS. You have to be up on the front cars @ss or you will be out of the front cars airlow.
Originally posted by Dave B
Exactly!!! I've held out for as long as I could on this, but now I've got to post. I like Ethan, but I think he's misinformed. Isn't it painfully clear that Ethan raced a riced out auto 325/328 wanna be M3. I think the first clue would be the fact that Ethan saw the "M3" badge in his rear view. Ummmm....M3s aren't badged in the front. Only on the rear.
To close in a gap of 6 cars on an M3 that's at WOT and got the jump from 40-95mph and then flew by him in 4th is utterly impossible unless you've got a 11-second ride. The amount of power to close in a gap this big and this quickly is astronomical. Let's put some things into perpective. The M3 auto "Luxury" verisons have been shown to go 14.5-14.7@95-96mph. That's DAMN close to what a 2k2 6 speed runs, especially the trap speed. How is it even feasibly possible to close in a gap this large when both cars are nearly the same in performance? Where in the world do people get the idea the M3 is a slouch in the topend? The gearing is perfect. The only place the 2k2 Maxima should beat the M3 is from 140mph when the M3 runs out of gear or hits it's limiter.
I don't see any proof that Ethan's dyno is that much better than a stock M3s dyno. The only advantage Ethan's 2k2 has is torque and torque isn't much of a factor in the topend like in this race.
Ethan can say he's got a 13.8-14.0 second car, but that doesn't mean much. I hate to sound like a **** (many think I am anyways) and be so blunt, but "put up or shut up" comes to mind. Until he runs at the track, I'm gonna say his 2k2 is no faster than normal (mid 14s). Seeing that he's never run at the track in any car, I doubt he'll be where he thinks he should be. It takes lots of practice to get it right. I too could say I've got a 13-second ride because of my 98mph trap speeds, but until I do it, I've got a 14.6 second ride. Like they say, talk is cheap.
Dave
Exactly!!! I've held out for as long as I could on this, but now I've got to post. I like Ethan, but I think he's misinformed. Isn't it painfully clear that Ethan raced a riced out auto 325/328 wanna be M3. I think the first clue would be the fact that Ethan saw the "M3" badge in his rear view. Ummmm....M3s aren't badged in the front. Only on the rear.
To close in a gap of 6 cars on an M3 that's at WOT and got the jump from 40-95mph and then flew by him in 4th is utterly impossible unless you've got a 11-second ride. The amount of power to close in a gap this big and this quickly is astronomical. Let's put some things into perpective. The M3 auto "Luxury" verisons have been shown to go 14.5-14.7@95-96mph. That's DAMN close to what a 2k2 6 speed runs, especially the trap speed. How is it even feasibly possible to close in a gap this large when both cars are nearly the same in performance? Where in the world do people get the idea the M3 is a slouch in the topend? The gearing is perfect. The only place the 2k2 Maxima should beat the M3 is from 140mph when the M3 runs out of gear or hits it's limiter.
I don't see any proof that Ethan's dyno is that much better than a stock M3s dyno. The only advantage Ethan's 2k2 has is torque and torque isn't much of a factor in the topend like in this race.
Ethan can say he's got a 13.8-14.0 second car, but that doesn't mean much. I hate to sound like a **** (many think I am anyways) and be so blunt, but "put up or shut up" comes to mind. Until he runs at the track, I'm gonna say his 2k2 is no faster than normal (mid 14s). Seeing that he's never run at the track in any car, I doubt he'll be where he thinks he should be. It takes lots of practice to get it right. I too could say I've got a 13-second ride because of my 98mph trap speeds, but until I do it, I've got a 14.6 second ride. Like they say, talk is cheap.
Dave
Originally posted by SprintMax
i don't care for you opinions of watching @sscar.. if you have never drafted in a race then don't comment on it... i have done it many times and i know it works
i don't care for you opinions of watching @sscar.. if you have never drafted in a race then don't comment on it... i have done it many times and i know it works
Originally posted by deezo
I did it to you when filming the Pike video.
I did it to you when filming the Pike video.
i know it works because on 85 shot (about 600 PSI cold night.. no heater) i raced my cousin.. he was 3 cars behind.. and he stayed there from 80 mph - 140 mph .. and when we decided to run again ..he kept going behind me.. so i slowed down and he got beside me.. then we ran again.. same night same conditions.. he pulled 1 car on me and i pulled him 4 on him from 80 mph - 120 mph
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Yea but drafting does not come into play until past 100mph.
Originally posted by SprintMax
emax let me clear somethings up for you..
Max2000JP and CHi99Limited are brothers.. their parents own MULTIPLE BMW's.. they will never side with maxima's even though they both own them..
and again.. let me just said what has been said.. a 2k2 can walk an E36 M3.. no fugging question about it.. stop being a little b!tch and stop arguing..
and its easy to pull someone from 6 car lenghts that is the same power as you. its called
DRAFTING but only if you are not a real racer you wouldn't have any idea about that 
anyway.. flame on
emax let me clear somethings up for you..
Max2000JP and CHi99Limited are brothers.. their parents own MULTIPLE BMW's.. they will never side with maxima's even though they both own them..
and again.. let me just said what has been said.. a 2k2 can walk an E36 M3.. no fugging question about it.. stop being a little b!tch and stop arguing..
and its easy to pull someone from 6 car lenghts that is the same power as you. its called
DRAFTING but only if you are not a real racer you wouldn't have any idea about that anyway.. flame on
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
Yea but drafting does not come into play until past 100mph.
Yea but drafting does not come into play until past 100mph.
then come back and tell me the same thing.. or if you have a sunroof try that..
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Originally posted by deezo
It doesn't matter Ethan, no CL-S's or TL-S's can beat you.
It doesn't matter Ethan, no CL-S's or TL-S's can beat you.
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Originally posted by MAX2000JP
I know how drafting works. Watch Nascar and they will explain it 10 times during a race. Drafting doesnt work on the "street", it is more useful on a closed race course. Drafting works as low as about 85 mph and the effects increase the faster you go. As for drafting 6 cars back, thats BS. You have to be up on the front cars @ss or you will be out of the front cars airlow.
I know how drafting works. Watch Nascar and they will explain it 10 times during a race. Drafting doesnt work on the "street", it is more useful on a closed race course. Drafting works as low as about 85 mph and the effects increase the faster you go. As for drafting 6 cars back, thats BS. You have to be up on the front cars @ss or you will be out of the front cars airlow.
I have actually done this in the past, but that was over 100mph.
Originally posted by deezo
The info is on the table about drafting, why aren't people reading it?
This is why there are dumb debates all of the time. People just don't read the info.
The info is on the table about drafting, why aren't people reading it?
This is why there are dumb debates all of the time. People just don't read the info.
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
Dyno plot doesn't mean jack to me really when its a race on the highway. There is just not enough hp for you to be floored from 6 cars back and do a (ricer flyby) basically. The guy either let off way before you got to him, or it was not a real m3. As Dave has explained exactly.
Dyno plot doesn't mean jack to me really when its a race on the highway. There is just not enough hp for you to be floored from 6 cars back and do a (ricer flyby) basically. The guy either let off way before you got to him, or it was not a real m3. As Dave has explained exactly.
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Originally posted by SprintMax
next time you are going 60 mph.. stick your head out the window.. keep doing it till you reach 100 mph
then come back and tell me the same thing.. or if you have a sunroof try that..
next time you are going 60 mph.. stick your head out the window.. keep doing it till you reach 100 mph
then come back and tell me the same thing.. or if you have a sunroof try that..
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
I will say this again, drafting does not a occur till 100mph and only if you are behind someone doing the same speed with in 3 cars. Did you race professionally? Didn't think so.
I will say this again, drafting does not a occur till 100mph and only if you are behind someone doing the same speed with in 3 cars. Did you race professionally? Didn't think so.
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I read that drafting is not effective until around 85 mph. I still dont see how it will be very effective at 6 cars back. Both the M3 and 2k2 Maxima have similar drag coefficients. You cant compare a Expeditions aerodynamic properties to either of these cars. I will have to try it sometime, maybe i learned something new The races that I usually get are side by side and drafting doesnt apply. I still believe that EMAX ran up against a 95 Auto M3 or a re-badged 3.
The races that I usually get are side by side and drafting doesnt apply. I still believe that EMAX ran up against a 95 Auto M3 or a re-badged 3.
Originally posted by SprintMax
deezo you missed an Epic Saga this morning.. this is the thread of the month
deezo you missed an Epic Saga this morning.. this is the thread of the month
Funny thread............better yet lets get delio up there during the summer and see if he punks out again.
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
I will say this again, drafting does not a occur till 100mph and only if you are behind someone doing the same speed with in 3 cars. Did you race professionally? Didn't think so.
I will say this again, drafting does not a occur till 100mph and only if you are behind someone doing the same speed with in 3 cars. Did you race professionally? Didn't think so.
Originally posted by Dave B
Exactly!!! I've held out for as long as I could on this, but now I've got to post. I like Ethan, but I think he's misinformed. Isn't it painfully clear that Ethan raced a riced out auto 325/328 wanna be M3. I think the first clue would be the fact that Ethan saw the "M3" badge in his rear view. Ummmm....M3s aren't badged in the front. Only on the rear.
To close in a gap of 6 cars on an M3 that's at WOT and got the jump from 40-95mph and then flew by him in 4th is utterly impossible unless you've got a 11-second ride. The amount of power to close in a gap this big and this quickly is astronomical. Let's put some things into perpective. The M3 auto "Luxury" verisons have been shown to go 14.5-14.7@95-96mph. That's DAMN close to what a 2k2 6 speed runs, especially the trap speed. How is it even feasibly possible to close in a gap this large when both cars are nearly the same in performance? Where in the world do people get the idea the M3 is a slouch in the topend? The gearing is perfect. The only place the 2k2 Maxima should beat the M3 is from 140mph when the M3 runs out of gear or hits it's limiter.
I don't see any proof that Ethan's dyno is that much better than a stock M3s dyno. The only advantage Ethan's 2k2 has is torque and torque isn't much of a factor in the topend like in this race.
Ethan can say he's got a 13.8-14.0 second car, but that doesn't mean much. I hate to sound like a **** (many think I am anyways) and be so blunt, but "put up or shut up" comes to mind. Until he runs at the track, I'm gonna say his 2k2 is no faster than normal (mid 14s). Seeing that he's never run at the track in any car, I doubt he'll be where he thinks he should be. It takes lots of practice to get it right. I too could say I've got a 13-second ride because of my 98mph trap speeds, but until I do it, I've got a 14.6 second ride. Like they say, talk is cheap.
Dave
Exactly!!! I've held out for as long as I could on this, but now I've got to post. I like Ethan, but I think he's misinformed. Isn't it painfully clear that Ethan raced a riced out auto 325/328 wanna be M3. I think the first clue would be the fact that Ethan saw the "M3" badge in his rear view. Ummmm....M3s aren't badged in the front. Only on the rear.
To close in a gap of 6 cars on an M3 that's at WOT and got the jump from 40-95mph and then flew by him in 4th is utterly impossible unless you've got a 11-second ride. The amount of power to close in a gap this big and this quickly is astronomical. Let's put some things into perpective. The M3 auto "Luxury" verisons have been shown to go 14.5-14.7@95-96mph. That's DAMN close to what a 2k2 6 speed runs, especially the trap speed. How is it even feasibly possible to close in a gap this large when both cars are nearly the same in performance? Where in the world do people get the idea the M3 is a slouch in the topend? The gearing is perfect. The only place the 2k2 Maxima should beat the M3 is from 140mph when the M3 runs out of gear or hits it's limiter.
I don't see any proof that Ethan's dyno is that much better than a stock M3s dyno. The only advantage Ethan's 2k2 has is torque and torque isn't much of a factor in the topend like in this race.
Ethan can say he's got a 13.8-14.0 second car, but that doesn't mean much. I hate to sound like a **** (many think I am anyways) and be so blunt, but "put up or shut up" comes to mind. Until he runs at the track, I'm gonna say his 2k2 is no faster than normal (mid 14s). Seeing that he's never run at the track in any car, I doubt he'll be where he thinks he should be. It takes lots of practice to get it right. I too could say I've got a 13-second ride because of my 98mph trap speeds, but until I do it, I've got a 14.6 second ride. Like they say, talk is cheap.
Dave
.Let's see, the M3 I raced had a exhaust system on it and on the front grill there was a M badge, maybe he put teh M badge there, hmm(the badge was of course on the trunk too)? Also I never said that it was not "possibly" a re-badged 3 series, I really don't know? It looked like every other M3 I have ever seen on the road, it had the ugly wheels and not the nice looking alloys. We raced from 40 MPH to about 95 MPH, it may have been a 328 but it was definatly to fast to be a 325.
Dave although I have never been to the track I am the master of street racing
. I have drag raced hundreds of times on the road so I know street race really well. As much as you hate my beloved G-Tech pro it has allowed me to master my launch so that I nail it almost everytime.One more thing my 95 max had more top end then a 98 5spd M3 and my 02 has a bit more top end then my 95 then add in this race was against a auto M3 and BAMN.
BTW guys I did not draft we were in seperate lanes.
Steve my AGX's are cattmans prototyped ones, I did the test fitting for him. I thought my 18's were comming in today but instead all I got was the damn SSR centercaps, WTF! They sure look pretty though.
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Some terms.....:
Drafting
Occurs when two or more cars run nearly nose-to-tail so that the lead car displaces the air, creating a vacuum between it and the second car. When this occurs, the lead car actually pulls the second car. Drafting can often be seen on the superspeedways such as Daytona and Talladega.
Another...
The drivers use aerodynamics to their advantage on race day. NASCAR drivers, in particular, take advantage of drafting at higher speeds as much as possible. By following as close as possible behind another car, the drafting car can reduce drag and consume less fuel. The drag on the lead car is also reduced because the flow separation at the rear is less because of the following car. As the cars draw closer together lift and downforce ratios are changed. This causes a problem of less stability for both cars.
Drafting
Occurs when two or more cars run nearly nose-to-tail so that the lead car displaces the air, creating a vacuum between it and the second car. When this occurs, the lead car actually pulls the second car. Drafting can often be seen on the superspeedways such as Daytona and Talladega.
Another...
The drivers use aerodynamics to their advantage on race day. NASCAR drivers, in particular, take advantage of drafting at higher speeds as much as possible. By following as close as possible behind another car, the drafting car can reduce drag and consume less fuel. The drag on the lead car is also reduced because the flow separation at the rear is less because of the following car. As the cars draw closer together lift and downforce ratios are changed. This causes a problem of less stability for both cars.
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Originally posted by SprintMax
yes i am a graduate of the Skip Barber School located in Lime Rock COnnecticut.. i know you didn't think so.. you don't think.. thats why you dont' know ****..
yes i am a graduate of the Skip Barber School located in Lime Rock COnnecticut.. i know you didn't think so.. you don't think.. thats why you dont' know ****..
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
Some terms.....:
Drafting
Occurs when two or more cars run nearly nose-to-tail so that the lead car displaces the air, creating a vacuum between it and the second car. When this occurs, the lead car actually pulls the second car. Drafting can often be seen on the superspeedways such as Daytona and Talladega.
Another...
The drivers use aerodynamics to their advantage on race day. NASCAR drivers, in particular, take advantage of drafting at higher speeds as much as possible. By following as close as possible behind another car, the drafting car can reduce drag and consume less fuel. The drag on the lead car is also reduced because the flow separation at the rear is less because of the following car. As the cars draw closer together lift and downforce ratios are changed. This causes a problem of less stability for both cars.
Some terms.....:
Drafting
Occurs when two or more cars run nearly nose-to-tail so that the lead car displaces the air, creating a vacuum between it and the second car. When this occurs, the lead car actually pulls the second car. Drafting can often be seen on the superspeedways such as Daytona and Talladega.
Another...
The drivers use aerodynamics to their advantage on race day. NASCAR drivers, in particular, take advantage of drafting at higher speeds as much as possible. By following as close as possible behind another car, the drafting car can reduce drag and consume less fuel. The drag on the lead car is also reduced because the flow separation at the rear is less because of the following car. As the cars draw closer together lift and downforce ratios are changed. This causes a problem of less stability for both cars.
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