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08-29-2005, 01:52 PM
#161
I knew this wasn't just me and now I have evidence this could be a 5th gen thing as Dixit aka BigDogJonx had the same P1320 code on the BLUE eManage here:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....=P1320+emanage
Now, that really has me disturbed.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....=P1320+emanage
Now, that really has me disturbed.
08-29-2005, 02:16 PM
#165
Actually, I just looked at his latest emanage file he sent me and he doesn't have the ignition timing map selected, so I don't think he's pulling timing.
Originally Posted by Kevlo911
chris'smax
Is using the BLUE on a 5th gen, I assume he has no CEL.
Is using the BLUE on a 5th gen, I assume he has no CEL.
08-29-2005, 02:18 PM
#166
I made it...well a guy at work I paid and I made it.
If you have to ask...you couldn't afford it.
J/K..I don't know since it was a "friend" deal.
If you have to ask...you couldn't afford it.
J/K..I don't know since it was a "friend" deal.
Originally Posted by slimer
so icey you have a plug and play harness? how much is one of those?
08-30-2005, 02:00 AM
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wow you guys are having all sorts of problems w/ this thing.... has anybody tried the 1.06 software and firmware together yet? .... as far as the ignition codes thats the same problem the mazdaspeed had, the minute i connected the cam/crank angle sensor wires, the car would throw a fit, cam angle would just make it run like crap, crank would make it run like crap, plus throw a code. It did run fine off of just the RPM wire however. we never made it to try and adjust the ignition timing on that car, since we couldn't get it to read the cam/crank, or airflow meter for the MSP, and GReddy seemed to have no interest in helping us get the information to make it work.
It is really frustrating that GReddy released this product LONG before it was ready to go on sale. If they needed some people to test it, they should have mentioned that when they went on sale. lol
Wish i could help more, but w/ out a maxima here to play w/, theres not much i can do. I will be doing the next install in a 3000GT, so hopefully that goes well. If you guys still don't have this figured out in a week or so, i can put a scope on the IS, to get a reading of the cam/crank, and then on the 3000GT, and see if either of those matches at all to the ones in the maxima
good luck!
It is really frustrating that GReddy released this product LONG before it was ready to go on sale. If they needed some people to test it, they should have mentioned that when they went on sale. lol
Wish i could help more, but w/ out a maxima here to play w/, theres not much i can do. I will be doing the next install in a 3000GT, so hopefully that goes well. If you guys still don't have this figured out in a week or so, i can put a scope on the IS, to get a reading of the cam/crank, and then on the 3000GT, and see if either of those matches at all to the ones in the maxima
good luck!
08-30-2005, 06:51 AM
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I'll be trying 1.06 with 1.06 tonight, as well as setting the software up for a couple of Honda and Toyota engines, just for fun. I don't expect it to work though.
You're right... this EU product is only half finished. They just threw it out on the market but lots of the applications listed in the software as being supported really aren't yet.. at least not if you use the crank, and yet isn't that what everyone would want to do? Shame on them.
For the price you pay for this thing, you'd expect it to work. Or at least give me a discount to pay for all my time and effort mucking around and having to scope things etc.
You're right... this EU product is only half finished. They just threw it out on the market but lots of the applications listed in the software as being supported really aren't yet.. at least not if you use the crank, and yet isn't that what everyone would want to do? Shame on them.
For the price you pay for this thing, you'd expect it to work. Or at least give me a discount to pay for all my time and effort mucking around and having to scope things etc.
08-30-2005, 10:33 AM
#170
I tried v1.06b...it actually ran worse, but you can see timing...it just isn't accurate based of ignition pulses.
John@J&S gave me a few pointers to try that he uses in his Safegaurds, so hopefully that solves my CEL which seems to only effect VQ30 5th gens..
BTW Brandon, I did confirm that the injector scaling just reduces pulsewidth, ie no MAF conditioning. Also, found out the hard way that the analog input/ouput reference in the chart is backwards and the picture in the manual is correct. At least disconnecting it fixed my initial high idle, since I had TPS running through it for future purposes.
John@J&S gave me a few pointers to try that he uses in his Safegaurds, so hopefully that solves my CEL which seems to only effect VQ30 5th gens..
BTW Brandon, I did confirm that the injector scaling just reduces pulsewidth, ie no MAF conditioning. Also, found out the hard way that the analog input/ouput reference in the chart is backwards and the picture in the manual is correct. At least disconnecting it fixed my initial high idle, since I had TPS running through it for future purposes.
08-30-2005, 11:01 AM
#172
None...it's sitting inside my garage, the EU that is. I only got it to idle, however the CEL kept me from driving her. Until I figure out the CEL, I'm not going any further.
Hopefully, Dandy can get Kenji or I can get whoever at info@greddy.com to add our crank type to the software. Otherwise, we're stuck just using ignition pulses as inputs and since they vary according to timing, that's not a very accurate source.
Hopefully, Dandy can get Kenji or I can get whoever at info@greddy.com to add our crank type to the software. Otherwise, we're stuck just using ignition pulses as inputs and since they vary according to timing, that's not a very accurate source.
08-30-2005, 03:54 PM
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I don't understand why Greddy isn't doing anything about this. Right now you're stuck with a 600+$ product that is capable of precisely jack sh*t. When are those dumb@sses gonna get off their meat and help you guys out? You don't throw out such an expensive product out there and cover your eyes and ears when someone tells you it's not working. At all. WTF Greddy?
I need this thing, I've got someone to install it, cash in hand, and I'm sure plenty of others are too. What's the word from them? Are they pulling soms bull about not having the time to check this? Why are they keeping us in the dark. The EU has been out since mid July in the US, how long is it going to take before our ECU's are supported? Are cars are 10-years old dammit, shouldn't be that hard to crack those signals.
I need this thing, I've got someone to install it, cash in hand, and I'm sure plenty of others are too. What's the word from them? Are they pulling soms bull about not having the time to check this? Why are they keeping us in the dark. The EU has been out since mid July in the US, how long is it going to take before our ECU's are supported? Are cars are 10-years old dammit, shouldn't be that hard to crack those signals.
08-30-2005, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JClaw
I don't understand why Greddy isn't doing anything about this. Right now you're stuck with a 600+$ product that is capable of precisely jack sh*t. When are those dumb@sses gonna get off their meat and help you guys out? You don't throw out such an expensive product out there and cover your eyes and ears when someone tells you it's not working. At all. WTF Greddy?
Give it some time, they will back up there product
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08-30-2005, 04:06 PM
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Yeah, except they helped out the Z guys immediately, there were a ton of them interested, but they haven't given us any kind of sign that they're actually gonna maybe think about possibly looking at our case anytime soon or at all for that matter.
08-30-2005, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
I tried v1.06b...it actually ran worse, but you can see timing...it just isn't accurate based of ignition pulses.
John@J&S gave me a few pointers to try that he uses in his Safegaurds, so hopefully that solves my CEL which seems to only effect VQ30 5th gens..
BTW Brandon, I did confirm that the injector scaling just reduces pulsewidth, ie no MAF conditioning. Also, found out the hard way that the analog input/ouput reference in the chart is backwards and the picture in the manual is correct. At least disconnecting it fixed my initial high idle, since I had TPS running through it for future purposes.
John@J&S gave me a few pointers to try that he uses in his Safegaurds, so hopefully that solves my CEL which seems to only effect VQ30 5th gens..
BTW Brandon, I did confirm that the injector scaling just reduces pulsewidth, ie no MAF conditioning. Also, found out the hard way that the analog input/ouput reference in the chart is backwards and the picture in the manual is correct. At least disconnecting it fixed my initial high idle, since I had TPS running through it for future purposes.
08-30-2005, 04:51 PM
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I'm sure it doesn't work the way it's on page 11 with the default values, ie 1:1, since it was causing my TPS to be wrong and my car to idle ~2Krpm.
Not 100% sure though, since I forgot to try it after I bypassed it.
Not 100% sure though, since I forgot to try it after I bypassed it.
08-30-2005, 05:01 PM
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Another mini update
So tonight I switched to 1.06/1.06. Didn't notice any difference as long as I was running the VQ30 setting.
But, I started trying some other engines, namely some Honda and Toyota ones, to see if we'd get lucky with the crank signal. Nothing Honda worked, and most of the Toyota ones didn't either until I tried the 2JZ-GTE, and to my surprise it started picking up rpms using the crank angle. I didn't have a scan tool handy but it seemed close, going off the tach anyways.
However, the timing wasn't close. At idle it was showing -4 to -6 degrees and just for fun I advanced 2 degrees and it went to -3 to -1. Then I retarded 2 deg to see what would happen and then it showed up as 118 to 120 on the EU. Doh! Also, using these settings, doing a quick rev up high and back down, my car threw 2 CEL's.. 0101 (cam sensor) and the good old knock code (0304).
I should be talking to Kenji tomorrow (didn't get a chance today as I was away all day) and I'll let everyone know what comes out of that conversation.
But, I started trying some other engines, namely some Honda and Toyota ones, to see if we'd get lucky with the crank signal. Nothing Honda worked, and most of the Toyota ones didn't either until I tried the 2JZ-GTE, and to my surprise it started picking up rpms using the crank angle. I didn't have a scan tool handy but it seemed close, going off the tach anyways.
However, the timing wasn't close. At idle it was showing -4 to -6 degrees and just for fun I advanced 2 degrees and it went to -3 to -1. Then I retarded 2 deg to see what would happen and then it showed up as 118 to 120 on the EU. Doh! Also, using these settings, doing a quick rev up high and back down, my car threw 2 CEL's.. 0101 (cam sensor) and the good old knock code (0304).
I should be talking to Kenji tomorrow (didn't get a chance today as I was away all day) and I'll let everyone know what comes out of that conversation.
08-30-2005, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Also, did you modify your injector, timing, or airflow maps load axis variable?
08-30-2005, 05:11 PM
#182
Were you still using the POS or are you now using the REF crank signal?
Originally Posted by DandyMax
So tonight I switched to 1.06/1.06. Didn't notice any difference as long as I was running the VQ30 setting.
But, I started trying some other engines, namely some Honda and Toyota ones, to see if we'd get lucky with the crank signal. Nothing Honda worked, and most of the Toyota ones didn't either until I tried the 2JZ-GTE, and to my surprise it started picking up rpms using the crank angle. I didn't have a scan tool handy but it seemed close, going off the tach anyways.
However, the timing wasn't close. At idle it was showing -4 to -6 degrees and just for fun I advanced 2 degrees and it went to -3 to -1. Then I retarded 2 deg to see what would happen and then it showed up as 118 to 120 on the EU. Doh! Also, using these settings, doing a quick rev up high and back down, my car threw 2 CEL's.. 0101 (cam sensor) and the good old knock code (0304).
I should be talking to Kenji tomorrow (didn't get a chance today as I was away all day) and I'll let everyone know what comes out of that conversation.
But, I started trying some other engines, namely some Honda and Toyota ones, to see if we'd get lucky with the crank signal. Nothing Honda worked, and most of the Toyota ones didn't either until I tried the 2JZ-GTE, and to my surprise it started picking up rpms using the crank angle. I didn't have a scan tool handy but it seemed close, going off the tach anyways.
However, the timing wasn't close. At idle it was showing -4 to -6 degrees and just for fun I advanced 2 degrees and it went to -3 to -1. Then I retarded 2 deg to see what would happen and then it showed up as 118 to 120 on the EU. Doh! Also, using these settings, doing a quick rev up high and back down, my car threw 2 CEL's.. 0101 (cam sensor) and the good old knock code (0304).
I should be talking to Kenji tomorrow (didn't get a chance today as I was away all day) and I'll let everyone know what comes out of that conversation.
08-30-2005, 05:14 PM
#184
When you say you retarded the timing, do you mean in the timing maps or were you using the "Off Set Angle"?
The manual says to use the Off Set Angle to correct any differences in the displayed ignition timing and the actual timing.
The manual says to use the Off Set Angle to correct any differences in the displayed ignition timing and the actual timing.
08-30-2005, 05:20 PM
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I did it in the map.
Using the offset for a couple degrees is one thing. But at idle the car's running 15-20 deg.. so if the EU is reading -4 to -6, that's one hell of an offset. Doesn't seem quite right to me. It should be closer than that if the signal's right.
Is the EU figuring out timing based only on the crank, or how does it use the cam? Because if the 2JZ cam signal is significantly different maybe that's playing into things somehow? I know at one point the EU was flashing red and giving me an error message saying it wasn't picking up the cam signal (it was looking for Toyota cam and getting Nissan perhaps?) Does that make any sense?
Using the offset for a couple degrees is one thing. But at idle the car's running 15-20 deg.. so if the EU is reading -4 to -6, that's one hell of an offset. Doesn't seem quite right to me. It should be closer than that if the signal's right.
Is the EU figuring out timing based only on the crank, or how does it use the cam? Because if the 2JZ cam signal is significantly different maybe that's playing into things somehow? I know at one point the EU was flashing red and giving me an error message saying it wasn't picking up the cam signal (it was looking for Toyota cam and getting Nissan perhaps?) Does that make any sense?
08-30-2005, 05:21 PM
#187
Originally Posted by DandyMax
So tonight I switched to 1.06/1.06. Didn't notice any difference as long as I was running the VQ30 setting.
But, I started trying some other engines, namely some Honda and Toyota ones, to see if we'd get lucky with the crank signal. Nothing Honda worked, and most of the Toyota ones didn't either until I tried the 2JZ-GTE, and to my surprise it started picking up rpms using the crank angle. I didn't have a scan tool handy but it seemed close, going off the tach anyways.
However, the timing wasn't close. At idle it was showing -4 to -6 degrees and just for fun I advanced 2 degrees and it went to -3 to -1. Then I retarded 2 deg to see what would happen and then it showed up as 118 to 120 on the EU. Doh! Also, using these settings, doing a quick rev up high and back down, my car threw 2 CEL's.. 0101 (cam sensor) and the good old knock code (0304).
I should be talking to Kenji tomorrow (didn't get a chance today as I was away all day) and I'll let everyone know what comes out of that conversation.
But, I started trying some other engines, namely some Honda and Toyota ones, to see if we'd get lucky with the crank signal. Nothing Honda worked, and most of the Toyota ones didn't either until I tried the 2JZ-GTE, and to my surprise it started picking up rpms using the crank angle. I didn't have a scan tool handy but it seemed close, going off the tach anyways.
However, the timing wasn't close. At idle it was showing -4 to -6 degrees and just for fun I advanced 2 degrees and it went to -3 to -1. Then I retarded 2 deg to see what would happen and then it showed up as 118 to 120 on the EU. Doh! Also, using these settings, doing a quick rev up high and back down, my car threw 2 CEL's.. 0101 (cam sensor) and the good old knock code (0304).
I should be talking to Kenji tomorrow (didn't get a chance today as I was away all day) and I'll let everyone know what comes out of that conversation.
08-30-2005, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 98SEBlackMax
Im surprised the 2JZ worked somewhat, its a very different crank sensor 36-2 crank wheel or something like that IIRC. The 0101 code stems from to much variation with the crank sensor. The ECU compares the two and if they are to out of whack throws a 0101 code. Happens to me with the SMT when I advance timing to much.
Ya I was kind of surprised it "worked" too. I really didn't expect anything Toyota or Honda to work. (I was 95% right. lol)
08-30-2005, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Don't use the cam signal with v1.06, it was customized to work for the VQ35s crank and ignition only.
I'd use the offset angle until the timing at idle was ~15degrees.
I'd use the offset angle until the timing at idle was ~15degrees.
I could try it though and see what happens. Either way I'll probably still get the CEL's. I don't think the crank signal is exactly right. Offset or no offset, why would the Greddy jump from displaying -4 to +118 after only retarding 2 deg? Using an offest it would still jump to +137 then.. (offset 19)
08-30-2005, 05:31 PM
#191
Originally Posted by DandyMax
Oh ok that makes sense.
Ya I was kind of surprised it "worked" too. I really didn't expect anything Toyota or Honda to work. (I was 95% right. lol)
Ya I was kind of surprised it "worked" too. I really didn't expect anything Toyota or Honda to work. (I was 95% right. lol)
Also if your just tapping that doesn't seem to make sense that you got a 0101 code. The crank signal should not be modified by the EU and the ECU shouldnt know the difference. The presence of that code scares me...
You know its funny how I put up with all this **** making the SMT-6 work on my car without a single post and now here is like 7 pages of stuff.
08-30-2005, 05:32 PM
#192
You're probably right...
Explain to me again why we should use the REF sensor when it only detects TDC(120-degrees) vs. the POS sensor which detects a 1-degree signal?
I would think we'd want the 1-degree resolution for advancing/retarding timing, right?
Explain to me again why we should use the REF sensor when it only detects TDC(120-degrees) vs. the POS sensor which detects a 1-degree signal?
I would think we'd want the 1-degree resolution for advancing/retarding timing, right?
08-30-2005, 05:37 PM
#195
ECU uses the Crank REF(and CAM) to read rpms and to control the timing.
The Crank POS is only used to read RPMs. It is explained better in the FSM.
The EU will not be able to read timing through the POS
The Crank POS is only used to read RPMs. It is explained better in the FSM.
The EU will not be able to read timing through the POS
08-30-2005, 05:38 PM
#196
Maybe the Emange needs both?
POS and REF...
One lets the emange know the rpms and the other lets it know the timing.
Also maybe we should have a chat room setup instead of posting like this?
POS and REF...
One lets the emange know the rpms and the other lets it know the timing.
Also maybe we should have a chat room setup instead of posting like this?
08-30-2005, 05:39 PM
#197
Not on a 5.0gen?
Originally Posted by Kevlo911
ECU uses the Crank REF(and CAM) to read rpms and to control the timing.
The Crank POS is only used to read RPMs. It is explained better in the FSM.
The EU will not be able to read timing through the POS
The Crank POS is only used to read RPMs. It is explained better in the FSM.
The EU will not be able to read timing through the POS
08-30-2005, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 98SEBlackMax
Are you tapping into the crank signal or running it thru the Emanage and out to the ECU? I ask cause Ive always had crank tapping issues with the SMT, it drew to much signal and the ECU didn't have enough signal to operate properly. The effects were quite fugly on the dyno, possibly some of the weirdest dynos Ive ever seen.
Also if your just tapping that doesn't seem to make sense that you got a 0101 code. The crank signal should not be modified by the EU and the ECU shouldnt know the difference. The presence of that code scares me...
You know its funny how I put up with all this **** making the SMT-6 work on my car without a single post and now here is like 7 pages of stuff.
Also if your just tapping that doesn't seem to make sense that you got a 0101 code. The crank signal should not be modified by the EU and the ECU shouldnt know the difference. The presence of that code scares me...
You know its funny how I put up with all this **** making the SMT-6 work on my car without a single post and now here is like 7 pages of stuff.
Haha.. ya you should have posted a 7-page thread too
Yes the crank gets tapped, not intercepted. Hmm.. you think the EU is drawing too much on the signal line also?
The code is disconcerting yes... is it only thrown if the cam gets out of sync with the crank? Or are there other causes?
Really, it'd be nice just to do away with all this shooting in the dark and get a firmware update from Greddy specifically for the VQ30DE (or DET). Then lets see how it runs, if there are still issues like this.
