My Emanage Ultimate is here!
11-01-2005, 11:38 AM
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Sounds great on the software and timing.
Don't plan on nitrous at least not right away, will see how it all works first. I want to race Super Street All-Motor in CSCS events next year so my plans really doesn't include nitrous.
On the MAP, I have been doing a little reading and the best info I have at present I got here. http://forums.miataturbo.net/showthread.php?t=1825
Check it out and let me know what you think. I would prefer to use a GM 1 bar MAP sensor vs the Emange pressure sensor because of the resolution and I don't plan on boosting.
On the gauges, hopefully they will work. That is pretty much what I did with the WBo2 wideband, just convert the voltage to units, so if thats the way it works great.
Don't plan on nitrous at least not right away, will see how it all works first. I want to race Super Street All-Motor in CSCS events next year so my plans really doesn't include nitrous.
On the MAP, I have been doing a little reading and the best info I have at present I got here. http://forums.miataturbo.net/showthread.php?t=1825
Check it out and let me know what you think. I would prefer to use a GM 1 bar MAP sensor vs the Emange pressure sensor because of the resolution and I don't plan on boosting.
On the gauges, hopefully they will work. That is pretty much what I did with the WBo2 wideband, just convert the voltage to units, so if thats the way it works great.
11-01-2005, 07:14 PM
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Jim I'd agree that for non-boost a 1 bar would be the better choice due to better resolution.
So does this mean you'd like to eliminate the MAF and just use MAP control? Perhaps we can/should discuss more via PM/email but I have been considering this (as well as a few other things) as part of a complete pre-UIM reconfiguration in conjuction with a good rev-limit hike. Part of the reason I still have the old Injen on is that I've been doing some research and haven't decided what I'm going to do with my intake. I had a custom one half made up and then got re-thinking everything.
Right now with the 00VI I hit 4.6v on the MAF but my gut feeling is I can improve my intake. Perhaps for me with the 3.0 major changes may not be warranted, or be an area to gain much power, but I've been mulling over a few things:
- TB sizing/IM throat porting (4th gen vs PF, top end gain vs mid/low potential torque loss?)
- pre-TB path length (I'd like to go shorter for more top end but this is difficult to do and yet still have a true CAI)
- restrictions or poor air flow dynamics (does the MAF hurt here under higher than say 50% throttle? I've seen some info that suggests pressure drops beyond 50% with air pulsing due to reversion caused by valve overlap, pneumatic hammer and acoustic resonance etc)
- filter types, velocity stacks etc (I have dyno #'s showing 5hp difference b/w filters alone)
- a couple other misc construction/routing/orientation things
But as far as being N/A and non-boosted I think in several ways the MAF is preferable to a MAP for tuning. It's more accurate than speed-density and less subject to changes in engine VE due to wear, atmospheric conditions etc. One drawback to MAP tuning is the need to create an air temperature adjustment map as well (ie change in density and hence mass ratio of A/F) and I suspect it will take more time and effort to get as finely tuned. For that reason I've also thought about switching to a high-flow aftermarket MAF (for eg something like a Pro-M (Pro Flow) meter). All of this is assuming it is actually hurting me currently, I don't know yet.
I have some detailed engine analysis software and will be doing some calculations/running some models over the winter in hopes of getting a basis to decide on an optimum approach. Sorry for the long post, I probably haven't put all my thoughts in a clear, cohesive manner here but if you're interested we should talk more about this.
So does this mean you'd like to eliminate the MAF and just use MAP control? Perhaps we can/should discuss more via PM/email but I have been considering this (as well as a few other things) as part of a complete pre-UIM reconfiguration in conjuction with a good rev-limit hike. Part of the reason I still have the old Injen on is that I've been doing some research and haven't decided what I'm going to do with my intake. I had a custom one half made up and then got re-thinking everything.
Right now with the 00VI I hit 4.6v on the MAF but my gut feeling is I can improve my intake. Perhaps for me with the 3.0 major changes may not be warranted, or be an area to gain much power, but I've been mulling over a few things:
- TB sizing/IM throat porting (4th gen vs PF, top end gain vs mid/low potential torque loss?)
- pre-TB path length (I'd like to go shorter for more top end but this is difficult to do and yet still have a true CAI)
- restrictions or poor air flow dynamics (does the MAF hurt here under higher than say 50% throttle? I've seen some info that suggests pressure drops beyond 50% with air pulsing due to reversion caused by valve overlap, pneumatic hammer and acoustic resonance etc)
- filter types, velocity stacks etc (I have dyno #'s showing 5hp difference b/w filters alone)
- a couple other misc construction/routing/orientation things
But as far as being N/A and non-boosted I think in several ways the MAF is preferable to a MAP for tuning. It's more accurate than speed-density and less subject to changes in engine VE due to wear, atmospheric conditions etc. One drawback to MAP tuning is the need to create an air temperature adjustment map as well (ie change in density and hence mass ratio of A/F) and I suspect it will take more time and effort to get as finely tuned. For that reason I've also thought about switching to a high-flow aftermarket MAF (for eg something like a Pro-M (Pro Flow) meter). All of this is assuming it is actually hurting me currently, I don't know yet.
I have some detailed engine analysis software and will be doing some calculations/running some models over the winter in hopes of getting a basis to decide on an optimum approach. Sorry for the long post, I probably haven't put all my thoughts in a clear, cohesive manner here but if you're interested we should talk more about this.
11-09-2005, 09:39 AM
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update
I was finally able to get hold of Kenji today. I learned a few things about their plans for future software releases (some interesting things here) and more importantly got some new setup instructions from Japan to try out. It will require rewiring my car a little bit.
I will report back and expound more on the above once I've done so, but it'll probably be Thursday evening or Friday morning before I have a chance to get to it.
Cutting it really close.. I was planning to put the car in storage this weekend.
I will report back and expound more on the above once I've done so, but it'll probably be Thursday evening or Friday morning before I have a chance to get to it.
Cutting it really close.. I was planning to put the car in storage this weekend.
11-14-2005, 09:14 PM
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Hey guys just saw this.
Greddy just released version v1.09, you can download it at my site,
www.mohdparts.com/emanage
This is what was fixed/updated, (translated with Google)
E-manage Ultimate ver1.09
* Air flow input it abolishes the leveling processing of 1 and air flow input 2.
* When the レブリミッタ - the I/J returns during cutting setting operating, it corrects operation.
* Kalman air flow by the vehicle air flow pulse input it is not at the time of air flow output MAP use the fact that error comes out it corrects.
Greddy just released version v1.09, you can download it at my site,
www.mohdparts.com/emanage
This is what was fixed/updated, (translated with Google)
E-manage Ultimate ver1.09
* Air flow input it abolishes the leveling processing of 1 and air flow input 2.
* When the レブリミッタ - the I/J returns during cutting setting operating, it corrects operation.
* Kalman air flow by the vehicle air flow pulse input it is not at the time of air flow output MAP use the fact that error comes out it corrects.
11-16-2005, 11:05 AM
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Update (sort of)
WELL... go figure we are still having problems. My rewiring as per their instructions did not work. Japan has determined on their DET that the EU will need a hardware upgrade to be able to process the signal and has been building some kind of add-on module/board.
As far as I know v1.09 released in the meantime does not affect us currently as we don't have timing or rev cut control. When we do get functionality however, I wouldn't be surprised if there's still no VQ30DE listing. It will just likely be that the DET is fixed. They're the same sensor signals, and the DET does not fully work now either.
As for the generic future software changes I mentioned they include the following (anticipated release is January sometime):
-user setup option (improved functionality to custom set up your car instead of being forced to pick an engine)
-ability to set real-time timing as a total value, rather than a +- adjustment
-knock retard functionality added
Might know more from Kenji in a few days. Will post again when I have new info.
Dan
PS-Mingo you got PM...
As far as I know v1.09 released in the meantime does not affect us currently as we don't have timing or rev cut control. When we do get functionality however, I wouldn't be surprised if there's still no VQ30DE listing. It will just likely be that the DET is fixed. They're the same sensor signals, and the DET does not fully work now either.
As for the generic future software changes I mentioned they include the following (anticipated release is January sometime):
-user setup option (improved functionality to custom set up your car instead of being forced to pick an engine)
-ability to set real-time timing as a total value, rather than a +- adjustment
-knock retard functionality added
Might know more from Kenji in a few days. Will post again when I have new info.
Dan
PS-Mingo you got PM...
11-16-2005, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
WELL... go figure we are still having problems. My rewiring as per their instructions did not work. Japan has determined on their DET that the EU will need a hardware upgrade to be able to process the signal and has been building some kind of add-on module/board.
As far as I know v1.09 released in the meantime does not affect us currently as we don't have timing or rev cut control. When we do get functionality however, I wouldn't be surprised if there's still no VQ30DE listing. It will just likely be that the DET is fixed. They're the same sensor signals, and the DET does not fully work now either.
As for the generic future software changes I mentioned they include the following (anticipated release is January sometime):
-user setup option (improved functionality to custom set up your car instead of being forced to pick an engine)
-ability to set real-time timing as a total value, rather than a +- adjustment
-knock retard functionality added
Might know more from Kenji in a few days. Will post again when I have new info.
Dan
PS-Mingo you got PM...
As far as I know v1.09 released in the meantime does not affect us currently as we don't have timing or rev cut control. When we do get functionality however, I wouldn't be surprised if there's still no VQ30DE listing. It will just likely be that the DET is fixed. They're the same sensor signals, and the DET does not fully work now either.
As for the generic future software changes I mentioned they include the following (anticipated release is January sometime):
-user setup option (improved functionality to custom set up your car instead of being forced to pick an engine)
-ability to set real-time timing as a total value, rather than a +- adjustment
-knock retard functionality added
Might know more from Kenji in a few days. Will post again when I have new info.
Dan
PS-Mingo you got PM...
11-16-2005, 01:48 PM
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If additional hardware is required I don't think we'll have to pay for it; I have not been given any indication that we would have to. The DET was supposed to have been supported in the first place.
January is the expected date for the new software functions I mentioned.. there could be other updates before then for bug fixes for specific cars etc, I don't know. Those were just things they said they were planning to add and were shooting for January. The way I've seen things go so far, I wouldn't treat that as a firm date.
As far as when we'll have the VQ30 fix, I don't know. I'm still going back and forth with Japan (via Kenji) trying to figure out why their recent suggestion didn't seem to work for me when they thought it would. All I can say is that I'm keeping on it.
January is the expected date for the new software functions I mentioned.. there could be other updates before then for bug fixes for specific cars etc, I don't know. Those were just things they said they were planning to add and were shooting for January. The way I've seen things go so far, I wouldn't treat that as a firm date.
As far as when we'll have the VQ30 fix, I don't know. I'm still going back and forth with Japan (via Kenji) trying to figure out why their recent suggestion didn't seem to work for me when they thought it would. All I can say is that I'm keeping on it.
11-16-2005, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
I guess my mistake and Joe's mind really helped us out 
Or maybe its the other way around.
11-28-2005, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JClaw
I think Greddy needs a good kick in the nuts. 
Their customer service has been atrocious. I will keep the process going with Kenji but my car is now in winter storage so I can't test anything out until spring. I've contacted Mingo and he may be able to do some testing for me in the interim (he lives out in California).
11-29-2005, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
Their customer service has been atrocious. I will keep the process going with Kenji but my car is now in winter storage so I can't test anything out until spring. I've contacted Mingo and he may be able to do some testing for me in the interim (he lives out in California).
11-29-2005, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
Their customer service has been atrocious. I will keep the process going with Kenji but my car is now in winter storage so I can't test anything out until spring. I've contacted Mingo and he may be able to do some testing for me in the interim (he lives out in California).
If they haven't figured it out in the spring, I just may have to shove my head through the wall.
11-29-2005, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mingo
keep i mind i have a 2000 5th gen.. so my car i may be a bit more sensative.
11-29-2005, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JClaw
When is your car going out of storage? I was always planning on buying this thing first thing in April. I am NOT going to the track ever again without mucho A/F and timing tuning.
Originally Posted by JClaw
If they haven't figured it out in the spring, I just may have to shove my head through the wall.
11-30-2005, 04:05 AM
#347
Originally Posted by DandyMax
Yes it's possible but I think it should be just about the same for most things... you'll likely have to add the resistors for the coils though.
11-30-2005, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
You and me both. I'm like a bulldog though, I'm not gonna let Greddy off the hook, no matter what it takes. It's certainly an exercise in patience, something that's never been my strong suit. (doesn't sound like yours either.. lol)
in my book, especially 4-5 months after it came out.Greddy also probably lost a few buyers already. And believe me, if there was a competitive alternative, I'd be all over it.
11-30-2005, 05:24 AM
#349
Even for the functionality it currently has its still a good buy compared to the rest of the competition. Although it will be worth mucho more if the timing and rev limiter issues are resolved. Just the rev limiter would cost the price of the EU from JWT.
Besides I know Dan will persevere and it will work. As long as it works by spring thats all that matters.
Besides I know Dan will persevere and it will work. As long as it works by spring thats all that matters.
11-30-2005, 06:20 AM
#350
does anyone happen to know what i hook the "injector ground" wire from the emanage to? do i ground it to the chassis? use the ecu ground or tape it up? i'm utterly confused as that is the last wire i need to hook up.
11-30-2005, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jclaw
More or less. But you shelled out 600+US for that thing and it's not even doing what it should do for you. That's in my book, especially 4-5 months after it came out.
Greddy also probably lost a few buyers already. And believe me, if there was a competitive alternative, I'd be all over it.
Greddy also probably lost a few buyers already. And believe me, if there was a competitive alternative, I'd be all over it.
Originally Posted by mingo
does anyone happen to know what i hook the "injector ground" wire from the emanage to? do i ground it to the chassis? use the ecu ground or tape it up? i'm utterly confused as that is the last wire i need to hook up.
11-30-2005, 12:16 PM
#352
I tapped Pin#58.
Originally Posted by mingo
does anyone happen to know what i hook the "injector ground" wire from the emanage to? do i ground it to the chassis? use the ecu ground or tape it up? i'm utterly confused as that is the last wire i need to hook up.
11-30-2005, 07:44 PM
#358
ok dan, i wired it up per your instructions.. the first way you had me wire it pos with the crank angle line and crank ref with the cam sensor line.. the numbers jumped all over the place. went up to about 80 something..
and switching the wires just didn't give me any readings at all it just stayed at 0.
i forgot to bring my lap top out to my friend's house wehre i wired everything up so i brought a desktop out by the car as i reved it up and down and what not..
and switching the wires just didn't give me any readings at all it just stayed at 0.
i forgot to bring my lap top out to my friend's house wehre i wired everything up so i brought a desktop out by the car as i reved it up and down and what not..
11-30-2005, 08:10 PM
#359
I agree on 48/57, however per both my FSMs(2000/2001) 58 is sensor ground. TPS is 82/91.
Originally Posted by mingo
after taking another look at the FSM it seems like 58 goes to the throttle position sensor.. and 48 and 57 look like pure ground.. can you shed some light on that please alex?
11-30-2005, 08:14 PM
#360
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
I agree on 48/57, however per both my FSMs(2000/2001) 58 is sensor ground. TPS is 82/91.
Correct, it is. Sounds like it is connected to the engine ground which would be the better ground.