coil overs for a third gen
03-08-2005, 07:53 AM
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coil overs for a third gen
Ok while putting coil overs on my friends spec V I had a extra stut tower laying around the shop from a third gen. I tryed it and the coil over went right on. I had to remove the cap at the top of strut and they slid on. Would this work? Im just worried about the the springs being strong enough for the weight of the 3rd gen.Other than that it will go right on. How about some coil overs for the 4th gen? I know for a fact that the spec will go on just not sure about the weigh on the springs. let me know.
03-08-2005, 07:59 AM
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most likely the travel of the spec v's strut would be a bit different than the maxima's.
on the other side... if by chance we got lucky (which we probably won't
) the springs can easily be changed for a spring rate that better suits the maxima most likely.
on the other side... if by chance we got lucky (which we probably won't
) the springs can easily be changed for a spring rate that better suits the maxima most likely.
03-08-2005, 07:59 AM
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Hmm interesting.... Hard to tell, but I'd lean toward no. Seeing as how the Spec V is lighter than our Max's... The V6 of ours just might over do it. But that is my opinion... and I don't have an engineering degree like Matt.
But that is something to look into, comparing the weight of the Spec V vs. our Max. Plus the length of the strut assembly to a stock one.
But that is something to look into, comparing the weight of the Spec V vs. our Max. Plus the length of the strut assembly to a stock one.
03-08-2005, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mtcookson
most likely the travel of the spec v's strut would be a bit different than the maxima's.
on the other side... if by chance we got lucky (which we probably won't ) the springs can easily be changed for a spring rate that better suits the maxima most likely.
on the other side... if by chance we got lucky (which we probably won't
) the springs can easily be changed for a spring rate that better suits the maxima most likely.
A good potential for a coil overs.Of course it wouldn't do us any good to change the springs if the strut bottoms out.
Only really one sure way to find out... slap the sucker on and see how it does.
03-08-2005, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by VG Ill ridah
Agreed x1000
BTW spec-v weighs around 2700 lbs. Maxima weighs roughly 3200 lbs. 500 lbs difference.
BTW spec-v weighs around 2700 lbs. Maxima weighs roughly 3200 lbs. 500 lbs difference.
03-08-2005, 08:25 AM
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yeah I was thinking of ordering some. But just dont wont to get stuck with them if it dont turn out good. Worried about it being realy bouncy due to compressing the spring. Keep letting me know. Anyone chime in with their 2 Cents.
03-08-2005, 08:36 AM
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Get some comparison pics. That'll help out a lot. Then we can visually see difference between them. See how far the spring sits, how far it could be dropped. The size (length and width) of the struts themselves. Understand on now wanting to buy a whole set... see if your buddy will let you try them out on yours really quick. Saves wasting money if it doesn't work... and confirms without spending the cash.
03-08-2005, 08:45 AM
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yeah well they are on his car now and I dont know if he will be willing to let me take them back off now that he got his car 4way alignment done today. Dam I should have taken pics of it and tryed it on the car. But now we will just have to figuer it out.
03-08-2005, 08:54 AM
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Take some quick measurments still on his car. Make sure to jack it all the way up to stretch out the strut. Plus you might be able to slip one of our struts next to it... to give some comparison. I'm sure he wouldn't mind that too much.
03-08-2005, 08:56 AM
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well the spring rate wouldnt be a big deal because you can always order different rates the only problem would be how it sits on the strut and how tall the spring is if its a 6in spring prolly wouldnt leave much strut travel even on a high setting
93turbo how even did it sit on the strut and did you try it witha strut mount on top how did that fit
ive always thought it would be nice to find a car with a similar suspension and we could order some ground controls
93turbo how even did it sit on the strut and did you try it witha strut mount on top how did that fit
ive always thought it would be nice to find a car with a similar suspension and we could order some ground controls
03-08-2005, 09:06 AM
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well I put the coil over on and it seemed that it would be able to travel some im not sure on how much it would have to travel. But it would have about 3to 5 inches of travel. If I can stick the strut up side his car and take some pics might be a few day before I can do this though.
03-08-2005, 09:07 AM
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Hmmm, this is getting closer and closer to someone taking the gamble on it. I would do it if I knew someone who had a Spec V that would buy them if it fell through.
I need a new suspension anyway, and possible coil over sounds much funner than the Koni replacement about now. But I don't have that much extra to blow if it does fall through.
I wonder if we could talk to the company. They might be willing to try it out... they wouldn't have any competition...
But it's also getting them to take the gamble of the sales.
Man, when I first saw the thread, I thought it was another ..."where can I find coilovers for my Max?"... no offense 93turbo gxe, I never looked at who wrote it at first.
I guess this will have us talking for the next couple of days.
I need a new suspension anyway, and possible coil over sounds much funner than the Koni replacement about now. But I don't have that much extra to blow if it does fall through.
I wonder if we could talk to the company. They might be willing to try it out... they wouldn't have any competition...
But it's also getting them to take the gamble of the sales. Man, when I first saw the thread, I thought it was another ..."where can I find coilovers for my Max?"... no offense 93turbo gxe, I never looked at who wrote it at first.
I guess this will have us talking for the next couple of days.
03-08-2005, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Harvs94max
well the spring rate wouldnt be a big deal because you can always order different rates the only problem would be how it sits on the strut and how tall the spring is if its a 6in spring prolly wouldnt leave much strut travel even on a high setting
93turbo how even did it sit on the strut and did you try it witha strut mount on top how did that fit
ive always thought it would be nice to find a car with a similar suspension and we could order some ground controls
93turbo how even did it sit on the strut and did you try it witha strut mount on top how did that fit
ive always thought it would be nice to find a car with a similar suspension and we could order some ground controls
03-08-2005, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kcidmil
Hmmm, this is getting closer and closer to someone taking the gamble on it. I would do it if I knew someone who had a Spec V that would buy them if it fell through.
I need a new suspension anyway, and possible coil over sounds much funner than the Koni replacement about now. But I don't have that much extra to blow if it does fall through.
I wonder if we could talk to the company. They might be willing to try it out... they wouldn't have any competition... But it's also getting them to take the gamble of the sales.
Man, when I first saw the thread, I thought it was another ..."where can I find coilovers for my Max?"... no offense 93turbo gxe, I never looked at who wrote it at first.
I guess this will have us talking for the next couple of days.
I need a new suspension anyway, and possible coil over sounds much funner than the Koni replacement about now. But I don't have that much extra to blow if it does fall through.
I wonder if we could talk to the company. They might be willing to try it out... they wouldn't have any competition...
But it's also getting them to take the gamble of the sales. Man, when I first saw the thread, I thought it was another ..."where can I find coilovers for my Max?"... no offense 93turbo gxe, I never looked at who wrote it at first.
I guess this will have us talking for the next couple of days.
Im hope I have found something for all of us here. I know that they will go right on but the ride is what im wondering about.well I ll be back when I got some more info.
03-08-2005, 09:19 AM
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big deal if they are sleeves better than just springs
you could get your own spring rates and adjusted height to how you want very important for any kind of racing many of the civic and miatas that i know through autocross all run ground control sleeves with either illuminas or konis
for the rears they should be same as fronts
you could get your own spring rates and adjusted height to how you want very important for any kind of racing many of the civic and miatas that i know through autocross all run ground control sleeves with either illuminas or konis
for the rears they should be same as fronts
03-08-2005, 09:39 AM
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you gotta kill this eh jeff
i still think it will work im not saying the sentra ones will work but if we could find a sleeve spring combo with a similar height to a stock spring but with a larger spring rate and then you could adjust it to a height you want i dont see how it wouldnt work as long as you didnt go super low im interested more for a suspension tuning tool rather than to see how low i can put the car
i still think it will work im not saying the sentra ones will work but if we could find a sleeve spring combo with a similar height to a stock spring but with a larger spring rate and then you could adjust it to a height you want i dont see how it wouldnt work as long as you didnt go super low im interested more for a suspension tuning tool rather than to see how low i can put the car
03-08-2005, 10:55 AM
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slipping coilover sleeves onto your struts is the easy part.
the hard part is the extremely short suspension travel you have on the front when you do that. You can only lower the car about an inch or so before you run out of strut travel.
If you've ever looked at a 3rd gen with Sprint springs while it's sitting on the ground, you'll see there is less than an inch of shock travel before you bottom out... and cutting the bumpstops to fix that is a BAD idea.
Find a shock body that's shorter than the 3rd gen MAxima that has enough damping and doesn't require extensive mods to fit, and I'll give you the sleeve-over design I have...
the hard part is the extremely short suspension travel you have on the front when you do that. You can only lower the car about an inch or so before you run out of strut travel.
If you've ever looked at a 3rd gen with Sprint springs while it's sitting on the ground, you'll see there is less than an inch of shock travel before you bottom out... and cutting the bumpstops to fix that is a BAD idea.
Find a shock body that's shorter than the 3rd gen MAxima that has enough damping and doesn't require extensive mods to fit, and I'll give you the sleeve-over design I have...
03-08-2005, 11:33 AM
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so what ur telling me is anything lower than an inch is bad so my intrax springs are bad
then what about a taller strut mount so the strut shaft sits higher im sure one could be fabed up poeple have done crazier things
im not arguing just trying to come up with ideas
kyle
then what about a taller strut mount so the strut shaft sits higher im sure one could be fabed up poeple have done crazier things
im not arguing just trying to come up with ideas
kyle
03-08-2005, 12:08 PM
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well good news I talked to the spec-v and we are going to give it a try tonight so by tommorow ill have some answers for you and some pics. Hope it goes well we shall see.
but i want em
03-08-2005, 06:09 PM
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he tried them out and at the lowest setting of the coil overs it was a bit taller than the 2 inch drop he has if i understood him correctly. basically, with some shorter springs it would look correct... not sure on the travel of the strut though. i don't know enough about suspension.
the pictures are a bit small but you can get a general idea:
the pictures are a bit small but you can get a general idea:
03-08-2005, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
just because it "fits" doesn't make it right
Tell that to the designers of the SSR and the PT Cruiser. Ugliest things I ever saw. If I've learned one thing from the years of stereo work... ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
Pay no mind to them... they're just jealous because they never thought to try it before.
And one thing I have noticed, is we tend to shy away from new things. (i.e. the MAXIMA grill) And if it doesn't work out that well... we'll owe Matt an apology... I can admit when I was wrong. But I'd rather find out I was wrong than sit here wondering if it would have worked.
03-08-2005, 08:37 PM
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ok well Mark posted the pics for me. Ok they went on with no problem. Ok they would only lower the car like a 1inch . the springs were too tall. But they give a dam good ride. Nice and firm not bouncy. Almost like a new car. But just got to find some shorter springs.
Ok Why do you have to hate on me trying something. ANd dont start biching and get a good thread locked
Ok Why do you have to hate on me trying something. ANd dont start biching and get a good thread locked
03-08-2005, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mtcookson
the pictures are a bit small but you can get a general idea:
Needs new, bIGGER.
03-08-2005, 11:22 PM
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Ok... it's getting closer. So it was all smooth huh? Didn't feel like the strut bottomed out all?
And all it needs is some shorter springs... well if push came to a VERY BIG shove... you could cut them... I'd rather find the correct springs myself.
And all it needs is some shorter springs... well if push came to a VERY BIG shove... you could cut them... I'd rather find the correct springs myself.
