Putting a VG into a VE...a few questions
08-23-2005, 10:58 AM
#41
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Even if the vlsd is in perfect working order, the % lock is only about 20-25%. Nothing great. I've done the vlsd test on my old car, I'm not sure if it was working or not. Wheels turned in the opposite direction. But you have to agitate the fluid before it starts working. So who knows?
Feels like 50/50% (not arguing that it's not, but atleast with mine it does feel dead even
)marks look like 50/50%
and never really had any torque steer like my old auto. There is an inch or two of play (measured from the outter diameter of the tire... probably just axle/tranny/gear slop) but then it meets resistance and the other side spins at the exact same time. (doesn't matter if the cars been sitting for 3 seconds or 3 months same exact thing).
08-23-2005, 11:00 AM
#43
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
But you have to agitate the fluid before it starts working.
08-23-2005, 11:01 AM
#46
Originally Posted by Pervis Anathema
Ah, that it explains it. A few weeks ago, I jacked my car up after it sat overnight. Wheels turned in opposite direction. Started the car, let it idle in 1st, turned it off. Then both wheels turned in the same direction.
edit: 2 hours
08-23-2005, 11:02 AM
#49
Odd, when the two wheels turn in the same direction the fluid is not agitated. Only when one wheel turns at a diff rate than the other. This agitating the fluid and making it more viscious. I don't know what starting the car on jacks would do?
Originally Posted by Pervis Anathema
Ah, that it explains it. A few weeks ago, I jacked my car up after it sat overnight. Wheels turned in opposite direction. Started the car, let it idle in 1st, turned it off. Then both wheels turned in the same direction.
08-23-2005, 11:06 AM
#54
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Odd, when the two wheels turn in the same direction the fluid is not agitated. Only when one wheel turns at a diff rate than the other. This agitating the fluid and making it more viscious. I don't know what starting the car on jacks would do?
I thought you meant agitate the gear oil. Dunno why it started working. Maybe my VLSD is on its last gasp? :dunno: I asked my rebuilder about replacing it with a new one. He said the best he could do was a used one for $575. I passed on that.
08-23-2005, 11:06 AM
#55
Originally Posted by Pervis Anathema
Blah, photochopped. 
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Odd, when the two wheels turn in the same direction the fluid is not agitated. Only when one wheel turns at a diff rate than the other. This agitating the fluid and making it more viscious. I don't know what starting the car on jacks would do?
I'm just using Amsoil Series 2000 75w90. No additional friction modifiers added. Chris has the same.
08-23-2005, 11:09 AM
#57
Um the viscous coupling inside the tranny is a closed unit with it's only viscous fluid. The fluid won't become more viscous until it's agitated, sheared so to speak. So when you shear it enough, it becomes thicker and begins to transfer power to the faster spinning wheel to the other.
08-23-2005, 11:11 AM
#60
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Don't you have some oil filters to buy?
Either today or tomarrow
08-23-2005, 11:11 AM
#61
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Um the viscous coupling inside the tranny is a closed unit with it's only viscous fluid. The fluid won't become more viscous until it's agitated, sheared so to speak. So when you shear it enough, it becomes thicker and begins to transfer power to the faster spinning wheel to the other.
08-23-2005, 11:15 AM
#63
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Um the viscous coupling inside the tranny is a closed unit with it's only viscous fluid. The fluid won't become more viscous until it's agitated, sheared so to speak. So when you shear it enough, it becomes thicker and begins to transfer power to the faster spinning wheel to the other.
as soon as I turn one wheel one way, the other wheel turns the other way.
The guy I bought it from was giddy from a bunch of work he just did and accidently put it in Reverse instead of First at a stop light and backed into a school bus
Maybe that agitated the fluid permanently.
08-23-2005, 11:15 AM
#64
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential9.htm 
Originally Posted by DanNY
wouldn't that cause the viscous fluid to get hot and be more thinned out?
08-23-2005, 11:23 AM
#65
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
ok thanks Jeff
08-23-2005, 11:35 AM
#66
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Originally Posted by Pervis Anathema
So if freshalloy says it, it must be true! 
And if you want a reliable sedan, I recommend staying away from 11 - 16 year old out of production, high mileage sedans. Go buy a late model Civic auto and call it good. But if you are looking for a car with some personality, decent performance potential, and uniqueness, by a VE 5spd. You would be surprised at how well it performs when compared to modern cars. (With the exception of turbo shitboxes)
And if you want a reliable sedan, I recommend staying away from 11 - 16 year old out of production, high mileage sedans. Go buy a late model Civic auto and call it good. But if you are looking for a car with some personality, decent performance potential, and uniqueness, by a VE 5spd. You would be surprised at how well it performs when compared to modern cars. (With the exception of turbo shitboxes)But I'll try the common-sense approah. If the VE was a great engine, Nissan would have continued using it wherever they weren't stuffing VQ's...did they do that?
Again, no offense to the VE "cognoscenti", the VE has some great HP and character...but I wouldn't risk my money on one.
08-23-2005, 11:53 AM
#67
Please explain in technical terms why the VE is not recommended. Thanks.
Reason why the didn't use it more? Okay. Because Nissan spend a grip of cash to make this special motor for FWD duty. It also served as a test dummy for some systems coming out on the VQ30. ie.. coil on plug ign, dohc heads on a fwd car etc..... In 1995, Nissan introduced the all new and aluminum VQ30 that was going to serve the mainstay of all FWD maxima sedans. The VE30DE was a stop gap measure to compete against the Toyota Camry at the time. The lowly VG was NOT cutting it with only 160-ish hp.
Your turn...
Reason why the didn't use it more? Okay. Because Nissan spend a grip of cash to make this special motor for FWD duty. It also served as a test dummy for some systems coming out on the VQ30. ie.. coil on plug ign, dohc heads on a fwd car etc..... In 1995, Nissan introduced the all new and aluminum VQ30 that was going to serve the mainstay of all FWD maxima sedans. The VE30DE was a stop gap measure to compete against the Toyota Camry at the time. The lowly VG was NOT cutting it with only 160-ish hp.
Your turn...
Originally Posted by Aurochs
Freshalloy claims to be an enthusiast site for Nissan. If an enthusiast site is down on the VE, there's gotta be reason. And it's not too hard to find several other sources that will warn you against the VE just as quickly.
But I'll try the common-sense approah. If the VE was a great engine, Nissan would have continued using it wherever they weren't stuffing VQ's...did they do that?
Again, no offense to the VE "cognoscenti", the VE has some great HP and character...but I wouldn't risk my money on one.
But I'll try the common-sense approah. If the VE was a great engine, Nissan would have continued using it wherever they weren't stuffing VQ's...did they do that?
Again, no offense to the VE "cognoscenti", the VE has some great HP and character...but I wouldn't risk my money on one.
08-23-2005, 11:55 AM
#68
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Originally Posted by Aurochs
But I'll try the common-sense approah. If the VE was a great engine, Nissan would have continued using it wherever they weren't stuffing VQ's...did they do that?
08-23-2005, 11:58 AM
#70
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Please explain in technical terms why the VE is not recommended. Thanks.
go bad ASAP no matter how many times you replace/rebuild.
They are prone to failure from what I understood here
http://www.geocities.com/bracecraig/...vcs-bible.html
Edit: "Now because these assemblies are hydraulicly operated(engine oil pressure) this is where the problem begins. The VTC assemblies are very high up on the heads(see sig pic for reference) This means during start-up these assemblies are probably the one of the last things to get oil. Along with this, the oil gallies leading up from the oil pan are fairly small. So any clogging of these gallies from sludge will only slow the time and quantity of oil that these assemblies receive." - Jeff92se
08-23-2005, 12:00 PM
#71
Originally Posted by Aurochs
Freshalloy claims to be an enthusiast site for Nissan. If an enthusiast site is down on the VE, there's gotta be reason. And it's not too hard to find several other sources that will warn you against the VE just as quickly.
But I'll try the common-sense approah. If the VE was a great engine, Nissan would have continued using it wherever they weren't stuffing VQ's...did they do that?
Again, no offense to the VE "cognoscenti", the VE has some great HP and character...but I wouldn't risk my money on one.
But I'll try the common-sense approah. If the VE was a great engine, Nissan would have continued using it wherever they weren't stuffing VQ's...did they do that?
Again, no offense to the VE "cognoscenti", the VE has some great HP and character...but I wouldn't risk my money on one.
08-23-2005, 12:01 PM
#72
the Z32 and Q45 have VTCs that go bad also. The engines must suck also.
Originally Posted by Joe Fontinyatz
I can name one thing.. VTC's will pretty much always
go bad ASAP no matter how many times you replace/rebuild.
They are prone to failure from what I understood here
http://www.geocities.com/bracecraig/...vcs-bible.html
Edit: "Now because these assemblies are hydraulicly operated(engine oil pressure) this is where the problem begins. The VTC assemblies are very high up on the heads(see sig pic for reference) This means during start-up these assemblies are probably the one of the last things to get oil. Along with this, the oil gallies leading up from the oil pan are fairly small. So any clogging of these gallies from sludge will only slow the time and quantity of oil that these assemblies receive." - Jeff92se
go bad ASAP no matter how many times you replace/rebuild.
They are prone to failure from what I understood here
http://www.geocities.com/bracecraig/...vcs-bible.html
Edit: "Now because these assemblies are hydraulicly operated(engine oil pressure) this is where the problem begins. The VTC assemblies are very high up on the heads(see sig pic for reference) This means during start-up these assemblies are probably the one of the last things to get oil. Along with this, the oil gallies leading up from the oil pan are fairly small. So any clogging of these gallies from sludge will only slow the time and quantity of oil that these assemblies receive." - Jeff92se
08-23-2005, 12:04 PM
#75
I miss my VE
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
the Z32 and Q45 have VTCs that go bad also. The engines must suck also.
08-23-2005, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
you also can't buy a VQ in a 3rd gen body
08-23-2005, 12:35 PM
#79
Originally Posted by Joe Fontinyatz
I could have swore the VQ was the more advanced replacement for the VE? What would be the sense in stuffing them in places where the VQ wasn't around?
Also, 4thGen tranny lost the VLSD, paint was crap, interior rattled more... Not to mention the minivan rear end.
This is why we refer to the 4thGen as a Minima.
08-23-2005, 12:38 PM
#80
The VQ made the same hp and 15 more ftlbs torque w/o all the gizmos. But since it had a single stage intake manifold, it falls flat on it's face over 5,000 rpm. But with simple mods, it can really sing. There are more than a few dyno'ng at 200hp/200ft/lbs at the wheels. Not fricken bad. Not too many VEs doing this.