(56K beware pics) i'm not a lier
Originally Posted by Josh
first of all both of your writting and spelling skills are seriously lacking. but besides that i think that the biggest problem everybody has is the attitude with which this thread started which was pretty much "F*** you all look what we did on our own", i did read where you cryptically said that you had a talented mechanic help but it was about 4 words and did not mention that he did most of the work, also...
("Yes i said he did most of the physical labor , but there is more to it then just that" )
your wording has been interesting throught this entire thread.
i guess all i am saying is that most orgers will say if they had help on a project and usually give props to whoever helped them(regardless of whether or not the helper is on the org)
The reason i said they werent org members bc they werent and we had to alot of info for ourselves he didn't have acces to geting parts , scamitics , and info that he needed to complete the job.
we aren't taking any credit away from the mechanic but u can't say we didn't have a very important role in this project.
just because it avoids issues like this. and dont think that by doing this you are now org gods,
No one said we were org gods and nor did we want to be considered
there is no doubt in my mind that matt, jeff or shaved could figure this out on their own.
So do i think they are great and i am confident in the work and abilities.
also asking questions doesnt mean that someone doesnt know how to do something they are just smart enough to know that there is more than one right way to do something.
You are right
now dont take this as though i am saying you guys are frauds i'm sure you put a good deal of time into this but the mechanic issue is throwing up red flags for everybody
("Yes i said he did most of the physical labor , but there is more to it then just that" )
your wording has been interesting throught this entire thread.
i guess all i am saying is that most orgers will say if they had help on a project and usually give props to whoever helped them(regardless of whether or not the helper is on the org)
The reason i said they werent org members bc they werent and we had to alot of info for ourselves he didn't have acces to geting parts , scamitics , and info that he needed to complete the job.
we aren't taking any credit away from the mechanic but u can't say we didn't have a very important role in this project.
just because it avoids issues like this. and dont think that by doing this you are now org gods,
No one said we were org gods and nor did we want to be considered
there is no doubt in my mind that matt, jeff or shaved could figure this out on their own.
So do i think they are great and i am confident in the work and abilities.
also asking questions doesnt mean that someone doesnt know how to do something they are just smart enough to know that there is more than one right way to do something.
You are right
now dont take this as though i am saying you guys are frauds i'm sure you put a good deal of time into this but the mechanic issue is throwing up red flags for everybody
Originally Posted by Harvs94max
can u get more detailed pictures of the car like cossmember, axles, exhaust, tranny/motor mounts, wiring and so on
cant wait for the write up
great job guys
cant wait for the write up
great job guys
no problem it nice to day so we'll take some pics
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Who cares who did the swap? It's done and it's possible. If they are preparing a write up then I await that.
Here is a clue people. Pissing them off by attacking them, doesn't get them to finish the write up any faster. It looks like there is a few guys that don't really have any interest in this swap that are just irrating them. If you don't have any interest, keep quiet.
Here is a clue people. Pissing them off by attacking them, doesn't get them to finish the write up any faster. It looks like there is a few guys that don't really have any interest in this swap that are just irrating them. If you don't have any interest, keep quiet.
Originally Posted by Harvs94max
can u get more detailed pictures of the car like cossmember, axles, exhaust, tranny/motor mounts, wiring and so on
cant wait for the write up
great job guys
cant wait for the write up
great job guys
Originally Posted by bgcease92
not true danny desil and were the brains behind this operation. We have more than enough information and was willing to share, but since there are those who have nothing better to do that be sarcastic and have negative feedback the maxima community has to suffer.
P.S if youy have real questions and not b.s comments desil and i we be happy to help you via p.m
thank you and have a nice day.
P.S if youy have real questions and not b.s comments desil and i we be happy to help you via p.m
thank you and have a nice day.
oh and the pic in the first post with someone giving us the finger wasn't really needed....it's possible why the thread didn't come off on a positive tone.
the added thank you and have a nice day is also not needed...
you said so yourself no BS comments right?
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Damn, I guess this is the kinda stuff ima have to go thru when I turbo my 3.5......well I guess not since it's been done before.....
Bottom line, I saw the car in the shop everyday I went by there and saw the swap taking place, cease and diesel were the brains of the operation, and im glad that it came out as a positive one instead of an unfinished project. But some of you guys need to stop bashing them, and let them prepare a writeup, obviously they can't do one in an hour because ALOT OF CUSTOM STUFF WAS DONE, IM SURE OF IT. But some of you guys need to just relax and wait for the writeup instead of flaming them, because I KNOW the swap was DONE, I saw it with my own two eyes......
to cease and diesel.
Bottom line, I saw the car in the shop everyday I went by there and saw the swap taking place, cease and diesel were the brains of the operation, and im glad that it came out as a positive one instead of an unfinished project. But some of you guys need to stop bashing them, and let them prepare a writeup, obviously they can't do one in an hour because ALOT OF CUSTOM STUFF WAS DONE, IM SURE OF IT. But some of you guys need to just relax and wait for the writeup instead of flaming them, because I KNOW the swap was DONE, I saw it with my own two eyes......
to cease and diesel.
If you need a write up you shouldn't be swapping engines.
However, it would be nice to see some pictures of the cross member and motor mounts and if there was any special axle work involved. It is always good to learn from other peoples experience.
Cutting/extending shift linkage, wiring, and exhaust work are easy. it would just be nice to see how it is mounted to get an idea.
I know if Blehmy were to do it he'd try and push it as far back and low as possible
However, it would be nice to see some pictures of the cross member and motor mounts and if there was any special axle work involved. It is always good to learn from other peoples experience.
Cutting/extending shift linkage, wiring, and exhaust work are easy. it would just be nice to see how it is mounted to get an idea.
I know if Blehmy were to do it he'd try and push it as far back and low as possible
I've been away too long! Is that the perfect maxima I see??? 
I always wished I could have put a VQ in my 92. I LIKE IT!!!!
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Who cares who did the swap? It's done and it's possible. If they are preparing a write up then I await that.
Here is a clue people. Pissing them off by attacking them, doesn't get them to finish the write up any faster. It looks like there is a few guys that don't really have any interest in this swap that are just irrating them. If you don't have any interest, keep quiet.
Here is a clue people. Pissing them off by attacking them, doesn't get them to finish the write up any faster. It looks like there is a few guys that don't really have any interest in this swap that are just irrating them. If you don't have any interest, keep quiet.
Personally, I could care less who did the work. Dammit, it's not like we have to have our hands in every single aspect of such projects. It's not like we are all capable! After all, everybody has their field of expertise and it need not be the intricacies of engine building and/or engine placement/installation.
For my project, if I could build psychotic motors, I would. But I'm an electrical engineer and I don't have the many years of schooling and experience that it takes to create a heavily modified engine. And no, I can't do intake/exhaust pipework and turbo mounting either as that's all fabrication stuff which is out of my depth too. I do take pride in having done everything else in the project but that's beside the point here.
My point, right from the start, has been to provide people with the basics of what it would take to perform such a project. If someone wants a little more detail, I'll be happy to add to it. But for crying out loud guys, just wait for the write up and I'm sure at least 98% of us here will have our questions answered about the processes diesel and co. went through in this project so let's ease up on the shadows of doubt some of us here are seeing!
Relax!
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Originally Posted by MrGone
If you need a write up you shouldn't be swapping engines.
However, it would be nice to see some pictures of the cross member and motor mounts and if there was any special axle work involved. It is always good to learn from other peoples experience.
However, it would be nice to see some pictures of the cross member and motor mounts and if there was any special axle work involved. It is always good to learn from other peoples experience.
Seriously dude, write ups do serve the purpose of providing people with the basic info - a starting point - when embarking on such a project and possibly giving them ideas of where they can improve. Don't forget, everybody has different methods when attempting to achieve the same result. Sometimes one method is better than another, other times, combining aspects of some or all methods provides the best solution of all. Heck, I see it all the time here in the Olympics where I will ask how someone would like the installation performed to get a basic idea of what they're expecting in addition to the final objective and then try to accommodate them in my methods to satisfy the overall picture. Then I might have one guy telling me that my methods waste time or may not even be aesthetically pleasing and yet their methods in my professional opinion gives greater odds of making mistakes which would prove to be even more inefficient and their aesthetics are not so pleasing to me. Sometimes a compromise is reached and sometimes not but knowing more than one way to do something allows for flexibility to fine tune the final result.
In summary, a basic direction on how to achieve an objective does not indicate a lack of existing knowledge but rather indicates a possible thirst for furthering existing knowledge that one may have. It seemed to be the case for the mechanic they were dealing with.
Originally Posted by The Max
I disagree with your first comment for the same reasons in your second comment. Don't forget, Diesel and BG did say that their mechanic didn't have access to the necessary info, parts and other resources which made this project of theirs possible. Does that mean the mechanic shouldn't be swapping engines either?
Seriously dude, write ups do serve the purpose of providing people with the basic info - a starting point - when embarking on such a project and possibly giving them ideas of where they can improve. Don't forget, everybody has different methods when attempting to achieve the same result. Sometimes one method is better than another, other times, combining aspects of some or all methods provides the best solution of all. Heck, I see it all the time here in the Olympics where I will ask how someone would like the installation performed to get a basic idea of what they're expecting in addition to the final objective and then try to accommodate them in my methods to satisfy the overall picture. Then I might have one guy telling me that my methods waste time or may not even be aesthetically pleasing and yet their methods in my professional opinion gives greater odds of making mistakes which would prove to be even more inefficient and their aesthetics are not so pleasing to me. Sometimes a compromise is reached and sometimes not but knowing more than one way to do something allows for flexibility to fine tune the final result.
In summary, a basic direction on how to achieve an objective does not indicate a lack of existing knowledge but rather indicates a possible thirst for furthering existing knowledge that one may have. It seemed to be the case for the mechanic they were dealing with.
Seriously dude, write ups do serve the purpose of providing people with the basic info - a starting point - when embarking on such a project and possibly giving them ideas of where they can improve. Don't forget, everybody has different methods when attempting to achieve the same result. Sometimes one method is better than another, other times, combining aspects of some or all methods provides the best solution of all. Heck, I see it all the time here in the Olympics where I will ask how someone would like the installation performed to get a basic idea of what they're expecting in addition to the final objective and then try to accommodate them in my methods to satisfy the overall picture. Then I might have one guy telling me that my methods waste time or may not even be aesthetically pleasing and yet their methods in my professional opinion gives greater odds of making mistakes which would prove to be even more inefficient and their aesthetics are not so pleasing to me. Sometimes a compromise is reached and sometimes not but knowing more than one way to do something allows for flexibility to fine tune the final result.
In summary, a basic direction on how to achieve an objective does not indicate a lack of existing knowledge but rather indicates a possible thirst for furthering existing knowledge that one may have. It seemed to be the case for the mechanic they were dealing with.
Maybe I confused the 3rd gen forum's idea of a write up with the 4th gen forum's. (I think it's fair to say 3rd genners tend to be more resourceful as we don't have as many aftermarket parts (although it really isn't too bad now a days) also it is fair to say our cars do require a little more "work" and most 3rd genners try to fix their cars themselves).
Providing a basic outline/pointers/etc is great and very helpful. But when you need a write up to tell you what to do step by step, not really good to be swapping Engines, atleast this early in the "game". If someone produces a bolt on kit then step by step is all game, but it's pretty safe to say at this point there is a "small" degree of fabricating that is required, someone who needs to be told what to do to a tee doesn't really have any business taking on an engine swap.
any day now this thread will be locked, so thanks a$$holes that didnt do a vq swap into a 3rd gen and want to discredit the owner of someone who has(regardless of wether he physically did it or not, YOU(everyone other thandiesel and bg) DIDNT DO IT, which means they know a smidge more than you about it. its funny how people want to steal your ideas, so they can call them their own, but if you cant fork up the info they blow up on you.
people on here need to stop passing that haterade around.
people on here need to stop passing that haterade around.
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Who cares who did the swap? It's done and it's possible. If they are preparing a write up then I await that.
Here is a clue people. Pissing them off by attacking them, doesn't get them to finish the write up any faster. It looks like there is a few guys that don't really have any interest in this swap that are just irrating them. If you don't have any interest, keep quiet.
Here is a clue people. Pissing them off by attacking them, doesn't get them to finish the write up any faster. It looks like there is a few guys that don't really have any interest in this swap that are just irrating them. If you don't have any interest, keep quiet.
I agree with Jeff, the world must be coming to an end!
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Just as I'm saving up for a z32 someone has to pull this off and deter my will to ditch the 3rdgen. lol
It is definately good tho that someone has finally defeated the negativity around this place that is in such true 3rd gen forum maxima.org style. This is what I've been wanting to see for the 3rd gen community since the beginning, and did not find untill i stopped coming here often.
The truth is that I definately won't attempt this swap myself on my 3rd gen. But I just want to know it can be done and how it can be done. So even if I am going to let a mechanic do it, I can provide this information to the mechanic attempting the work, and cut down the time we need to figure it out. It would have already been a huge favor.
Again, thx diiesel and bgcease for doing all this for the 3rd gen community.
It is definately good tho that someone has finally defeated the negativity around this place that is in such true 3rd gen forum maxima.org style. This is what I've been wanting to see for the 3rd gen community since the beginning, and did not find untill i stopped coming here often.
The truth is that I definately won't attempt this swap myself on my 3rd gen. But I just want to know it can be done and how it can be done. So even if I am going to let a mechanic do it, I can provide this information to the mechanic attempting the work, and cut down the time we need to figure it out. It would have already been a huge favor.
Again, thx diiesel and bgcease for doing all this for the 3rd gen community.
don't really want to add on to all of this but i'm shocked at all of the negativity in here about this.
anyways, after doing a bunch of searching for suspension options for my Z i found out that Moser will make custom axles of any size for $375 for both axles. the price might vary a bit due to being a fwd setup (passenger axle is slightly difference on these cars than the rwd IRS setup) but anyways, that's a pretty good option for the axle part.
anyways, after doing a bunch of searching for suspension options for my Z i found out that Moser will make custom axles of any size for $375 for both axles. the price might vary a bit due to being a fwd setup (passenger axle is slightly difference on these cars than the rwd IRS setup) but anyways, that's a pretty good option for the axle part.
Dontcha just hate it when people call you a liar and try to argue with you? I get that all the time but in the end it pays off if you know you're right and you got proof. Now I know you guys mentioned the mechanic and also put in your knowledge but how much did that mechanic charge you guys for labor doing this big job?
I know you mentioned how much the engine costed along with other parts but do you think you could write a list of all the parts and labor when you get a chance...hell just put that in the write up.
I know you mentioned how much the engine costed along with other parts but do you think you could write a list of all the parts and labor when you get a chance...hell just put that in the write up.
ok i'm going to lock this and WE as a community should wait for their write up and additional information. please no more negative comments...they laid the cards on the table..so let's just wait for the additional pics and write up.
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