Cutler

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I have many memories of putting 5-6 cars on a VG maxima in my old SR20'd SE-R, VE is a different story but the SR has more potential....

internetautomar

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SR has way more support and potential than the 3rd gen.
but the max has more room and luxury.
personally I'd want both.
but that's because I have kids and really prefer having the 4 door room

Grace_Imports

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I don't think that 10.009 in the 1/8th is slow for a stock 2.0 with miles. SR20 bottom ends are as stout as Nissan builds them. Unlike most Hondas they have closed deck blocks, forged rods and cranks etc. and can handle plenty of boost or spray with proper tuning. It's cheap to get boosted in a B13 or you can be different and go all motor with a SR20VE. SR20VE has 192 HP and bottom end to boot. If you don't like the looks, that's fine, but all these statements that SR20 cars are slow econoboxes that have less potential than a 3rd Gen Maxima are simply not true.

Alex_V

I get nissans engine code but not the V in SR20VE. Im guessing it just denotes the 10.3:1 compression or is it a revision?

~Alex

max89_v6

Isn't the JDM SR20DET illegal in the states?

internetautomar

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no motor is illegal in the states.
I can use any motor I want in any car I want so long as it passes the emission requirements for the car it's put into (Illinois Law, your state can and will vary)

tripleGmax

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VE was never introduced officially in the USA by Nissan.

To really understand the SR20VE in detail, go to the site below:

http://www.gonzonx.com

Grace_Imports

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The SR20VE has Nissan's version of VTEC. They kick ****.

Cutler

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Neo-VVL bishes

VEvolution

Excuse for the late reply.. Awright, heres my take... First off, you make it sound as if weight = everything when that just isn't true. Yes, it plays a huge role, but in this case, it's not enough to automatically say we lose. The NX can only lose so much weight, and once the 3rd gen starts loosing, it would be just light enough. We don't really have big luxury sized boats. I noticed the VE5 weighs less then many pure sports cars(Supra, Z, Skyline, Vette, M3, etc.) I'd like to believe Matt didn't waste so much time on this car if he didn't believe it can get down.

So aside from the displacement on our side, it's as if you don't notice the extra 2 cylinders we have over the NX. What that makes no difference? Please tell me what makes the SR20 get boost easier then the VE? Our engines seem to be built just as strong. It's not only about power.. Braking, handeling, aero.. You can't just say that car has more potential because of a better aftermarket and weighs only 500lbs or so less in stock form. If you can prove me wrong, I will admit it.. But so far, Im not getting what everyone is raving about this cool little quality built I4

VG Autos are so fast.. Were they turbo?

Jeff92se

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Makes a difference yes. But it's not enough.

Um have you not noticed there is about a billion turbo SR20s and OEM turbo SR20DETS in the USA despite the fact that the turbo version was never offered there. The NA SR20 IS basicly the turbo engine sans the turbo. Yes it's built THAT strong.

Power: Way more in the sr20 AND it's TONS lighter. Iron V6 block vs aluminum 4 cylinder block. Braking?? Please the maxima is THE LARGEST SEDAN NISSAN STILL USED THE PUNY SINGLE PISTON CALIPERS. Try again. Handling?? Please. The maxima EXPECIALLY THE VE30DE version is WAY front biased. Way out of it's league. AERO? Did you just say AERO? Weight 500lbs??? Excuse me. Even 3100lbs - 2400lbs = 700lbs. 700lbs is at least 1 1/2 VE engines!


If you can't see the light after all this, you are doomed to never being able to open your eyes to the real world. Here's a clue. The maxima is a great 4 door fwd car. Built nice with a cool unique engine (VE30DE). But it's capabilities are limited. Just the way it is. I'm not hating either. I had one of the most modded VE30DE 5-sps here.

VEvolution

Not too sure about that one.

Yeah it's strong, but the VE can be made just as good. Why not? Im sure your familier with 4signs and his almost 400hp VE? http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=177720

I feel the reason theres so many of them around is because they are just cheap, strong, simple, good aftermarket, and lightweight. Makes for a killer combination to attract a good following. Something our VE's don't really have.

No way.. Hows there power more available in the SR20? Braking? Uumm, I wasn't talking about stock. Matt's BBK's are good enough for me. You really think after that mod the NX will stop better? I highly doubt that.

So what if the VE is front biased? You can always try your best to transfer as much weight to the back as possible. It won't be great, but who cares.. In stock form, have you seen many sedans other than the 3 series handle better back in those days? I think not. With our suspensions maxed out, you really think the NX would be better? I doubt it.

And Aero.. Yes.. I just said AERO! Our drag coefficiant was pretty good last time I checked. We got a nice spoiler back there as well. Seems like it works. A lower center of gravity would definatly do the car justice.

Weight.. You said before it was 2600 lbs.. Now it's 2400? I was goin by what you said.. Which one is it?

Until I see a fully modded NX go against a fully modded 3rd gen VE on a nice road course, I don't think it will change my mind. Weight doesn't always mean the end because in this case our cars aren't that much heavier. I have never seen the SR20 do anything special from the track events I been to, or on the streets. If they run 10's they usually break down at the finish line or will in the next few runs. Nothing inspirational here, especially the way the car looks. All I see it owning the 3rd gen is in the aftermarket and in the following. Hopefully I won't be doomed for much longer though, since pretty much everyone disagreed with me.

And what you said about the capabilities being limited.. If you wanna do it instead of talking about it, and you have enough appreciation for what you drive, the capabilities aren't that limited.

Jeff92se

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ONE 400hp VE. So what? There are TONS of 400hp+ SR20s around

Here. Let me know when a VE runs a 14.1 na. http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-NX-Timeslip-7424.html

Let me know when a turbo VE drops into the low 12s
denske01-24-2006, 06:52 PM
sorry jon, i forget the format.

denske-1.79 60', 12.3@111, 14 psi ( black 92 nx2000) t28, 50lb'ers,emanage.

And think about why that is

Um you can put bbks on NXs too. And guess what, if it's lighter you don't need nearly as much stopping power to do it. Try again. Actually the sentra guys use the nx brakes as an upgrade

Um how are you going to "transfer" that much weight? Battery? so can the nx. You can always ADD weight if you wish. "suspensions maxed out??" There is ONE adj shock maker. There is NO coilovers available for this car. I HAD a maxed out suspension.

The diff is like .3. Big whoopeeee.

With trunk empty, car weighed in at 2480lbs. Your turn

Um yeah that marque matchup might take awhile.

I have done it. What have YOU done so far?

VEvolution

One is about all you need. Would you happen to know if he ever saw what he could do? Plus I think something happened to his cardomain page

14.1? With mods like that? Hhmm.. 1.6L cams, Fidanza flywheel, ACT Clutch, JWT ECU, HS Gen VI Header, 3" exhaust, JWT Cam Gears, Custom CAI, MSD Digital 6...... Seriosly with work similar to that on a VE.. What do you think it would pull? If Im not mistaken Mr. Clavin pulled a very fair 14.8 I believe with only like an exhaust, a fidanza, and CAI? Something like that if I remember correctly.. With a bit more work, Im sure it would be at least in the low 14's with a good enough driver.

Cause it's the one and only popular SR20?

Can their BBK's go to 13in like ours? Or do we have 12.9 which is it? I forget..

Definatly not a maxed out suspension from what I saw. I really don't believe you necessarily need to get coil overs either.. A proper drop would be good enough. Also throw on all of Matt's goodies.. You really think it wouldn't show the NX whos boss?

3rd gen FTW

Thats pretty light. But come on, to drop under 3klbs for a 3rd gen is not that hard. Thats just about all it would need.

Can't wait...

Low blow question above.. I've seen what you did to your car. It is definatly amazing, and much props towards you. Heck, I think thats your car photochopped in my sig, right? But from what I can see, you didn't do everything. You were missing alot of suspension mods, turbo, etc. And a spoiler Too bad it had to go. Anyway, I havn't done anything YET due to my current situation, but will very soon. You just put me in the position of me having to say "oohh im gonna do this and that, and i know this and that" and do major BS in the end with the above question. Pretty much all I have seen over and over again happen here. So instead.. I'll keep quiet... Just for grins though, one day I would really love to find a fully modded NX and have a comparison.

Edit: I see you added the low 12 second NX time.. I can't wait to see a VE do that is all I can say to that.