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Old 12-17-2008, 10:25 AM
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Man, can't wait to here next vid. I love the way that sounds. What kind of magnaflow are you running?
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mrkanda
So, what is this an upgrade from- just a standard WSP mandrel bent Y-pipe and stock cat and catback to the modified ELYP plus a full WSP 2.5" catback and performance cat? I just wonder what we are comparing from pre-mod to post-mod.
What the hel is a elyp?
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Originally Posted by Thanatos
What the hel is a elyp?
Somehow I managed to figure out he is referring to an Equal Length Y-Pipe.
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That would explain it huh.
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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver
ok well being that i made this in powerpoint... it's about as good as it's gonna get. but the basic idea is the same. just... not so crude.

that looks like it's gonna hit the engine mount.
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Originally Posted by DanNY
that looks like it's gonna hit the engine mount.
as shown, yes. but i didn't feel like spending all friggin night making the diagram perfect. it would be narrower in real life.. and the bends would be smoother too. that's just for the general idea of how it would be.. i just didn't have anything to make non-circular bends with on powerpoint.
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
you needed a mandrel donut.

some like that.
The bend that I made has the tightest radius possible which is best for ground clearance. My front end is very low and anything lower to the ground will hit. A larger radius bend is probably only worth 1-2 hp.
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Hope he likes it. I think he's selling though? Too bad, those flanges cost me a pretty penny.
He like it alot!

He is selling it because he is moving to NY.
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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver
ok well being that i made this in powerpoint... it's about as good as it's gonna get. but the basic idea is the same. just... not so crude.

Like DanNY said, It will hit on the engine mount and/or x-member. This design is very similar to the ELYP's made for the VQ30. I know you said that's it'll be different, but I just don't under stand how it's possible. You'll have to show us when it's done.
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Those donut bends are supposively the tightest bends you can buy. Probably why he mentions them. I've researched them for my turbo crap
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Those donut bends are supposively the tightest bends you can buy. Probably why he mentions them. I've researched them for my turbo crap
Not tighter than I can make.
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Youre not far off the original stillen design for the 4th gen:


I really wanted to mod my WSP, Im sick of the drone. Thankfully OBX just came out with equal y headers for the VQ. You guys are SOL for equals, so call up Cattman or WSP to get these mass produced!
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Originally Posted by JSutter
Youre not far off the original stillen design for the 4th gen:


I really wanted to mod my WSP, Im sick of the drone. Thankfully OBX just came out with equal y headers for the VQ. You guys are SOL for equals, so call up Cattman or WSP to get these mass produced!


that's an idea... the junction being vertical instead of horizontal... but you're right that is fairly similar to what i was gong for. just without the upstream 02 sensors. and a slightly more relaxed bend
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Originally Posted by JSutter
so call up Cattman or WSP to get these mass produced!
lol, most of the "masses" in here won't pony up $$ for a proper tune up, much less a warpspeed y-pipe..

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Originally Posted by JSutter
Youre not far off the original stillen design for the 4th gen:


I really wanted to mod my WSP, Im sick of the drone. Thankfully OBX just came out with equal y headers for the VQ. You guys are SOL for equals, so call up Cattman or WSP to get these mass produced!
The only problem is mass production requires mass demand. I can't see Brian Cattman being interested in producing these. WSP might, but I doubt it. Maybe if they get deposits from people. :shrug:
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how sure are you that the last one is accually equal...
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Originally Posted by JSutter
Youre not far off the original stillen design for the 4th gen:


I really wanted to mod my WSP, Im sick of the drone. Thankfully OBX just came out with equal y headers for the VQ. You guys are SOL for equals, so call up Cattman or WSP to get these mass produced!
Before you brought these up, I was just looking at the VQ OBX ELH's. They look pretty nice!

I really like the stillen design and I thought about making my Y-pipe a little more like it, but it would have been more cutting and welding.

Does anybody know if a vg manifold will bolt up to a ve? I know the vg exhaust ports are round and the ve exhaust ports are oval, I just would like to know what else is different about the flanges. For some time, I've been thinking about trying to make the vg obx headers fit my ve. I don't think the vq headers would work on a ve because the motor mounts are in a different location.
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Originally Posted by RuSSiAnMax415
how sure are you that the last one is accually equal...
which one?
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
you needed a mandrel donut.

some like that.
Everytime I look at that pic, it makes me hungry.
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Originally Posted by 505max94se
Everytime I look at that pic, it makes me hungry.
Hope you have good teef!
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Old 12-17-2008, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
Hope you have good teef!
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
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Old 12-17-2008, 08:14 PM
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idk understand what is the performance benefit to an equal length y-pipe it seems like more resriction and more turbulence for the sake of sound, a nice sound, but still i smell rice
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Originally Posted by sleepyvg30e
idk understand what is the performance benefit to an equal length y-pipe it seems like more resriction and more turbulence for the sake of sound, a nice sound, but still i smell rice
shut up w/ your rice crap. takes one to know one anyhow... this dude did something good here (also idk understand = "i don't know understand".... )

equal length exhaust matters because if you have different-length pipes, then the exhaust pulses will hit each other instead of coming down the pipe at even intervals. if 2 exhaust pulses hit each other, you add resistance. then there's a space where there are no pulses, which is time wasted.

same reason performance vehicles have crazy headers like this.. so the pulses come out evenly

(these are for a vq35)


for a mustang


subaru combined header/ypipe
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Hmm i may try to do that on the vg.
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Hmm i may try to do that on the vg.
DOOOO IT!!! Actually if I had the money, I would find out how much WSP would do it for.
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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver
equal length exhaust matters because if you have different-length pipes, then the exhaust pulses will hit each other instead of coming down the pipe at even intervals. if 2 exhaust pulses hit each other, you add resistance. then there's a space where there are no pulses, which is time wasted.
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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver
shut up w/ your rice crap. takes one to know one anyhow... this dude did something good here (also idk understand = "i don't know understand".... )

equal length exhaust matters because if you have different-length pipes, then the exhaust pulses will hit each other instead of coming down the pipe at even intervals. if 2 exhaust pulses hit each other, you add resistance. then there's a space where there are no pulses, which is time wasted.

same reason performance vehicles have crazy headers like this.. so the pulses come out evenly
i was waiting for someone to say that....but how the heck do u know all that stuff? did u get training from some master technician or its ur personal experience..?......the red part is 100% right and plus they make equal length to match the frequency with their designed muffler...not if u put after market muffler and cuz then frequency changes and tone of muff changes too and then it directly effects the back pressure to go up and down...

and as far i can tell by the design of 505max94se...he probably have gained a lil low end...

edit: did u check how many lbs of back pressure u have now 505max94se?

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I think I'm sick of hearing about how restrictive my design is.
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Originally Posted by burhan92SE
and as far i can tell by the design of 505max94se...he probably would have gained a lil low end...
It sure feels like I gained power everywhere.


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edit: did u check how many lbs of back pressure u have now 505max94se?
Are you serious??
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Originally Posted by 505max94se
I think I'm sick of hearing about how restrictive my design is.
well, i really didn't mean to sound like a downer. you've come up with something new, and you have noticed an improvement. nobody expects the first attempt to be PERFECT and you should be proud of what you did. but like any prototype design, a few tweaks will usually make it even better. and don't mind burhan.. he's learning...... i think.
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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver
well, i really didn't mean to sound like a downer. you've come up with something new, and you have noticed an improvement. nobody expects the first attempt to be PERFECT and you should be proud of what you did. but like any prototype design, a few tweaks will usually make it even better. and don't mind burhan.. he's learning...... i think.
Of course. I just wish more people on this board realized this and weren't so harsh on everybody that wants to do something new or different. I understand how to accept criticism. I just get frustrated with how the majority of the 3rd gen board is so negative.
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Originally Posted by 505max94se
Of course. I just wish more people on this board realized this and weren't so harsh on everybody that wants to do something new or different. I understand how to accept criticism. I just get frustrated with how the majority of the 3rd gen board is so negative.
Dude did i say sumthing wrong? I was jus replying to cape? I think u have a gud design and if i said sumthing which might hurt u den i apologize for dat and cape didnt sounds like a downer either he was jus explaining how can we make better exhaust

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Originally Posted by Thanatos
Man, can't wait to here next vid. I love the way that sounds. What kind of magnaflow are you running?
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Nice. Sick.

Originally Posted by 505max94se
No I was using gas but for some reason it kept wanting to burn through on the lowest heat setting. I was using a Lincoln Weld-Pak 175HD. Normally, I can weld better than this even with flux. It looks like **** but it doesn't leak.

Actually I was welding a little more like Jeffy

Your exhaust is now on Jon94se's Maxima.

Did you try turning the wire-speed down? to the lowest setting? or if it's like mine- until the wire will jam up if you don't have the ?liner/cord/gun? perfectly straight.
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I don't really see how it could be restrictive at all. Long as you got mandrel bend on that 180 degree you should be alright.
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Originally Posted by 505max94se
I think I'm sick of hearing about how restrictive my design is.
honestly...do you care what others say? you're driving your car every day...so why do you care? YOU like it...who cares what others say.

it's new...people will be a little negative about it. personally i'm not a fan...but can't say that it's not a good attempt....so i didn't comment except for the welds.
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Nice- almost makes me wonder WHY doesnt WSP make theirs like this. Seems simple enough.
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Originally Posted by gpmax
Nice- almost makes me wonder WHY doesnt WSP make theirs like this. Seems simple enough.
b/c it'll cost more and no one wants to pay.
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Originally Posted by sleepyvg30e
idk understand what is the performance benefit to an equal length y-pipe it seems like more resriction and more turbulence for the sake of sound, a nice sound, but still i smell rice
Rice??? Erhmmmmm, so how is your vg38r comming along?
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