10 bucks....Dallas can retire now.

 

No need to start a new thread.

 

can't keep up with the discussion with facts so it's all insults now?
bring it on.

 

if there's enough interest i'll make a sticky and run a GD style thread.

 

I see your point. No need to one up. I appreciate your passion for the website. But you're as subtle as a shovel to the forehead.

I am on SR20, BMW, Subaru Forester and NASIOC so I don't get much time to support this site. You're right-if I can help make it $210 bucks I will-I have a 4th and 5th gen so I already have EL.

 

NO VE. WW WW What has the world come to.What is he thinking. OH MY GOD.

 

Hahah hey you're doing it too.

 

We'll (I'll) stop. Its pointless we are both being selfish.

 

it's the NYC in me...i'm blunt and to the point. so there's no "subtle-ness" in me.

i'm on other sites too...but majority of my time is here.

we're all here to better the car. if someone is willing to support us with aftermarket parts we're going to welcome them with open arms but we all have to be realistic on the price. it would be great if Dallas at WSP can make it for $210 but that will never happen.

 

my only concern with shelling out more money for a ELYP on stock manifolds is that the exhaust pulses aren't exiting the manifolds evenly... so in order to get tme most out of this mod you really would need ELHeaders to go with it. I guess you'll get some benefit but probably not the full potential. It's not a design flaw on the part of the ELYP maker at all, it's just an unfortunate consequence of the fact that nobody will make good headers for us (same reason as the above slugfest)

 

I get that too.

Ran into this with SR20 and FXT sites. Only way is to pre-sell it for a designated price. We went to SSAC with a 2.5" collector header and "pre-determined" the price-basically it just eats their profit margin on a limited run item they recoup from elsewhere. They bought it and produced it. Now SSAC produces in VAST quantities (Chinese labor rates). From what I know of WSP they do alot of other cars (correct?) as well as Maxima's. I could throw together a production proposal but we'd have to guarantee a certain number "pre-bought" for a designated price. Then I/we go to WSP with the pre-buy list or a deposit? I travel alot for work but I'd be willing to help to clear up the poser image.

 

OK GUYS LONG STORY SHORT,
YOU WANT SOMEONE TO HAVE IT PRE-MADE FOR YOU...

GPMAX RACECAR DRIVER wahtever and whoever you are.... SHUTUP.....i hate when people just blabber and blabber pointlessly....if you can have it made...show some evidence....

SEEING THAT DANNY HAS BEEN ON THIS WEBSITE FOR 9 YEARS AND HAS 10k+ posts im sure he has seen how often **** accually goes through when people bring up ideas. unless some1 has proof of it then stop wasting all this free post space....

-Russian

 

if you want give Dallas at WSP a call and see how many we need to buy for the price to be $210. from the amount of people here that actually mod the 3rd gens i would say there would be less than 10 members that are willing to buy this ELYP over the standard Y-pipe for additional cost.

also as caped mentioned it's not a true EL since the manifolds are not EL.

WSP do not sell parts for a lot of cars. it's only a few trucks and cars they sell pre fab exhaust stuff for.

 

i appreciate the support...but take a easy there Russian. it's not a hostile discussion and IMO at no time it was.

 

Sure I'm off this week. I'll give him a call and see if he can do a limited run at $210. He admitted to have stock on hand so timing may be perfect.

I'll report back.....

 

I know what you're saying, but the greatest length difference is in the Y-pipe. The oem manifolds are not that far off from being equal length. A header set will definitely be best and that's why I keep asking this question:

"Does anybody know if a vg manifold will bolt up to a ve? I know the vg exhaust ports are round and the ve exhaust ports are oval, I just would like to know what else is different about the flanges. For some time, I've been thinking about trying to make the vg obx headers fit my ve. I don't think the vq headers would work on a ve because the motor mounts are in a different location."

I know somebody knows the answer. Matt? Maybe I'll have to start a new thread to ask this question specifically.

 

to my knowledge they do not bolt up.
Jeff can confirm that.

to double check pick up some manifold gaskets and line them up.

 

I was thinking about doing just that.

If they don't bolt up, I could just re-flange them to make them work.

 

i'm sure you can tweak VG headers to fit the VE...but keep in mind the DOHC is sized differently so it's up to you...but i suspect a lot of cut and paste to get the fitment right on but it will work.

 

that's why i was thinking it might be just as well to make them from scratch... that way he'll know for sure that they will fit.

 

plus if I make them from scrap I won't have to deal with welding SS and they'll be exactly what I want.

I could buy some J tubes and have some flanges made or reuse the ones I already have.

 

Just a FYI on y-pipe fitment...all ve/vg stock y-pipes fit up to either engine, the past warpspeed production ve/vg y-pipes will not fit up to either engine, they are ve/vg specific.

 

wait i thought the flanges were rotated differently on VE vs VG?

 

VE manifolds != VG manifolds.

1. VE has oval ports. VG is round.
2. VE uses different bolt hole spacing.

Hard to see form the pics, but I tried to mate a VG manifold up once and failed.

 

this is what dallas says that he thinks the oem manifolds are "free-flowing" enough that headers would only make a tiny difference and wouldn't equal the additional cost..... and that the "biggest" difference would be in the equal length y-pipe and even "that" difference could be considered small compared to the cost

 

ask matt about the info i posted..

 

I was thinking about modifying my current y-pipe to work with the VG headers.

 

Stock vg headers?

 

no vg obx headers

 

oh ok..good luck..

 

Equal-length doesn't guarantee more power.

 

But it may add power in area's of the ve power band that may have been lacking with the original/WP/Y setup..

 

That's true, but I was speaking in terms of the stillen vs. WS comparison. There might have been particular design flaws that keep the stillen equal-length unit from outperforming the WS. Certainly wouldn't be the first time a stillen exhaust part didn't make as much power as the competition.

 

I know and I also know that my car has never pulled as good as it does now.

 

i'm more interested what it might do for the vg

 

Please read my last post in its entirety. I was talking about the stillen equal length y-pipe, since you know, that's what the post I originally quoted was about.

 

I knew that you were referring to the stillen Y-pipe.

 

results will be way better than ** ....

 

Does anyone make 94 VE headers. Will 95 fit 94's?

 

No. No.