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Old 08-30-2009, 11:53 PM
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What Does the Front Sway bar actually do??

Would It be necessary to replace those old dry rotted end links and bushings on the front sway bar of a 93 GXE?? I see that autozone carries a rebuild kit for the end links of the front sway bar for like $7. I was gonna get that, but I took a look at the links and those bushings and washers look like they are stuck togather.
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stabilizes the vehicle...
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keep you on the road when you make a turn.
replace the bushings and end links and your car will handle better.
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Bigger front bar increases understeer or decreases oversteer/ smaller front decreases understeer or increases oversteer/A bigger rear bar increases oversteer or decreases understeer/ a smaller increases understeer or decreases oversteer... Thats why most FWD Maximas only upgrade the rear swaybar size to increase the oversteer and decrease some of that excessive built in understeer (for safety of the inexperienced)!
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I used to think an upgraded front bar wasn't needed until I installed one and felt how much flatter the front end handled. Of course you need a rear bar too.
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
I used to think an upgraded front bar wasn't needed until I installed one and felt how much flatter the front end handled. Of course you need a rear bar too.
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is it true that on a FWD car you want to do the rear bar first, if you are only doing one? i heard this from someone on the org... tho i always take what they say with a grain of salt.
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:40 PM
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Both at the same time = best. Rear 1st 2nd best. Never really tried front bar first but I noticed a performance drop when I had my st front and one of my rear brackets broke.
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Both at the same time = best. Rear 1st 2nd best. Never really tried front bar first but I noticed a performance drop when I had my st front and one of my rear brackets broke.
it sort of makes sense tho. if your front is TOO stiff, and the rear isn't, then you will compress the ouside rear, and kinda lift the inside front tire a little bit. this is what's happening to my car... not because of swaybars (well maybe... i have a GXE rear swaybar) but moreso due to my blown rear struts. we were attempting to do some mountain driving and i kept lifting the inside front tire around every decently hard turn.
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:50 PM
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I dunno. I understand the logic but when I put the front bar on, it really kept the front flat, therefore not allowing the rear to rise up.

Ie.. left turn would cause the front right to dip and therefore raise the left rear. A stiller front bar would reduce the front right dip and therefore the rear left raise.

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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
I dunno. I understand the logic but when I put the front bar on, it really kept the front flat, therefore not allowing the rear to rise up.

Ie.. left turn would cause the front right to dip and therefore raise the left rear. A stiller front bar would reduce the front right dip and therefore the rear left raise.

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well that sortof describes how a stiffer front bar could reduce liftage of the rear tires... which would alternately suggest that a stiffer rear bar would help reduce liftage of the front tires. it's just that on a FWD car you probably don't care nearly as much about rear grip as you do about front grip, since lifting a rear tire won't cause wheelspin or understeer... heck you might even enjoy attempting to get the rear end to slide while it's on one tire haha. of course on RWD you pretty much always want all 4 on the ground.
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Old 08-31-2009, 02:10 PM
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IMHO, when the one end on the front dips, it puts the other side at odd suspension angles and make each side work way too hard. IMHO
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
IMHO, when the one end on the front dips, it puts the other side at odd suspension angles and make each side work way too hard. IMHO
well the control arms are SUPPOSED to help keep the tires level relative to the ground, at stock ride height at least. if everything goes well, you should gain positive camber on the inside tire to keep the tire flat as the body rolls away from it and the outside tire under compression it should gain negative camber to keep the tire flat to counteract the body rolling over it (plus a little more to counteract sidewall flex).

of course on a severely-dropped machpherson-suspended car you kindof throw all that out of whack. but i see your point.. technically you really want the tires to do the most equal amount of work possible
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Originally Posted by CMax03
Bigger front bar increases understeer or decreases oversteer/ smaller front decreases understeer or increases oversteer/A bigger rear bar increases oversteer or decreases understeer/ a smaller increases understeer or decreases oversteer... Thats why most FWD Maximas only upgrade the rear swaybar size to increase the oversteer and decrease some of that excessive built in understeer (for safety of the inexperienced)!
Really?
I always thought the reason 4 and 5 gens didn't have an aftermarket bar is because you have to drop the entire front subframe to get the factory one out. that'd really throw a hitch in my giddyup if I wanted a FSB on my 5 gen....
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
Really?
I always thought the reason 4 and 5 gens didn't have an aftermarket bar is because you have to drop the entire front subframe to get the factory one out. that'd really throw a hitch in my giddyup if I wanted a FSB on my 5 gen....
Yeah that might be a reason there as well...but these cars and most Fwd suffer from extreme understeer so the nonexperienced can't get themselves into a really bad situation unless thier really doing something real stupid! Decreasing the understeer and increasing the oversteer to a point where the balance is still safe, with great turn in and body rotation thru a turn by utilizing a larger rear swaybar! You can always change to an SE front bar with ES bushings and Moog endlinks if you're in a GLE or GXE 5th/5.5....
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