ac max 92

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Good day, Just wondering if anyone has heard or knows anything about this phantom supercharger? It's an electric supercharger and maybe one of the first that doesnt appear to be an ebay scam of sorts. Apparently the biggest skeptic of electric superchargers (wild weasel)for quite a number of years doesnt have anything bad to really say about this one. It's a 24v battery controlling a motor which runs a turbo. I just happen to notice this on a site called phantom superchargers. Apparently its been done on a number of scion frs and suburu brz along with a couple other vehicles with pretty interesting dyno results. To make a long story short i was looking into boosting options and came across this and just wanted to get some feedback or input on it. Anybody want to do a little research of their own and post what you think?

Fakie J Farkerton

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ac max 92

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I know what your thinking. Ive seen a ton of these scams aswell but before being so quick to flame it why dont you check it out. Theres a number of other forums discussing this aswell and this peticular one seems to be fairly new.

Fakie J Farkerton

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Estimated $1,400 price tag?!

If you want FI, do it right.

Edit: just checked the site and they want $1,650.
What was the high RPM max claim?..3 psi; wow.

http://forums.maxima.org/supercharged-turbocharged-38/

Maxpwer

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I don't know about this particular model but there ARE electric superchargers that DO work, however they have some inherent drawbacks. Like the OP stated they usually require 24v-48v systems separate from your normal electrical system. This means you need a minimum of 2-4 extra batteries (usually mounted in the trunk) along with appropriate wiring and fuses, and a separate alternator to charge these batteries. I say minimum 2-4 batteries because the electric supercharger takes a large amount of power to run, and usually last about 10-30 seconds before the batteries are drained and need to be recharged. Depending on alternator and number of batteries this can take from 30-90 minutes during which the E-supercharger can't be used.
The cost of the e-supercharger ($1500 isn't that much, there are much more expensive models, and don't forget some turbos are $2k+) is only half the total cost, the batteries, alternators and wiring will likely set you back another at least another $1k. That being said, it is a real solution to serious power gains (though usually limited to 75-100whp). It's very similar to nitrous in power, activation and "recharge" (though recharge is time, not money).

ac max 92

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Thanks so much for your input maxpwer. I noticed maximajquery had a turbo set up for sale that looks like it used to belong to joeboost but he sold it in Oct. Looks like he sold it at a very reasonable price i would have liked to have taken that setup off his hands but it's obviously to late so I was looking at the e supercharger as another option. I wouldn't be using it for track or anything. Do you think in your opinion its a pretty good bang for the buck? Looks like it's not a very complicated setup either.

Chris Gregg

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IMHO, these type setups are coming down the line. However, I think it's still 10 years out before there is a reliable and "user friendly" bang for your buck unit. Technology is getting there, but the cost - benifit just isn't there.

My understanding is that new car government standards require automobiles to be transitioning to electronically driven components. I forget the years mandated to begin changing, but if you look at the industry it coming. Drive by wire steering!? At some point an electric motor will be turning all accessories. But not yet.

So, leave it alone. Let people who don't have anything better to do with their money or time waist theirs - don't yours.

2003MaximaMan

Electrical turbo's/Superchargers can not possibly be as efficient as mechanical turbos. Why? because of the electrical motor. Electricity to mechanical conversion has waste. A standard turbo is just moving mechanical energy from one place to another.


Also, think about this: if an electrical motor is efficient and powerful enough to drive a turbo, it would probably also have significant enough power to have a sporty all electric car. See Tesla

shiloh51933

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For the selling price of this phantom or 24v supercharger I'd invest in some real forced induction via Turbocharger set up.

chrome91

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for the amount of time and money you would have to screw around with to do a supercharger, it would be better to just turbo a VG which has been done many times

a supercharged VG30E has been done, i believe in a Nissan Hardbody

Chris Gregg

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VG33ER as I recall. No one was ever able to adapt it to fwd, I recall it had something to do with how far the charger pulley protruded which meant the passenger side of the engine compartment and strut tower got in the way. Probably other things too, I'm sure.

ac max 92

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It's a different setup than the type of supercharger you are thinking of. If you look at their website you will see it. Aswell i believe there is a couple video's on youtube of it. It's called the phantom supercharger. Maxpwer seemed to have described it best.

Chris Gregg

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I understand why perhaps you were confused as there was a slight deviation from the topic of electric superchargers. I was responding to Chrome's post about the supercharged VG Nissan did. It was the VG33ER (R indicating supercharged). Some guys have simply used the 33 block to easily gain displacement when doing a built VG or boosted engine for the Maxima (or Z for that platform).

chrome91

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i meant an actual supercharged VG30E, when i had my Hardbody there was a guy on a a Hardbody forum that had one with a VG he supercharged using custom parts

D.Stillwell

Phantom supercharger?

All I have to say is, there IS a reason they call it phantom.

ujm

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