Demand!
Demand!
We need to show a high demand for parts so maybe companies might start manufactoring more mods for Maximas. Bottom line truth is, that its hard modding our cars unless we make up the mods ourselves, and how many engineers do you really think exist in these forums. How can we demand parts so the mod supply wont be so damn little. How can we demand mods so people take notice that allot of people like modifiying maximas, i dont think we do enough on that part. We should organize and do something to get companies wanting to make mod parts for maximas. There's allot of mods that are no longer being made for the maxima, the superchargers, the mevi, PRCAI, soon enough ECUs will be hard to find and other mods, what can we do to ensure they dont and get the mevi back or another variable intake that might dominate? Just that early mourning thinking
buy a honda.
but seriously, what this all comes down to is marketing. Unfortunately there is not a great enough demand by maxima enthusiasts for such aftermarket modifications. Yes there are a lot of members on the .org, but what percentage of them are actually looking for expensive performance mods. A very small percentage. It isn't worthwhole for a company to focus its money on such a small market and therefor, companies cannot support themselves.
It is really going to take individuals with the engineering skill, fabrication means and the spare time to support these mods in the future.
for now, ebay is your best friend.
but seriously, what this all comes down to is marketing. Unfortunately there is not a great enough demand by maxima enthusiasts for such aftermarket modifications. Yes there are a lot of members on the .org, but what percentage of them are actually looking for expensive performance mods. A very small percentage. It isn't worthwhole for a company to focus its money on such a small market and therefor, companies cannot support themselves.
It is really going to take individuals with the engineering skill, fabrication means and the spare time to support these mods in the future.
for now, ebay is your best friend.
My two cents:
One factor is natural selection: mods being filtered out because they didn't really provide enough net benefit. That happens a lot in this community because it's relatively closely knit, and stuff gets shot down real fast if it's not very good for the amount of money or effort it takes.
Another factor is that 4th gen Maximas don't really draw the kind of boy-racer-with-money types who want plug-and-play mods, so a lot of the serious modding is done by people who either are willing to do some custom work themselves or know people who will do it for them. Those people aren't really impressed by plug-and-play mods when they can do it better or for less money themselves.
Examples: The decline of supercharger kits seems to have coincided with the rise of turbochargers (greater gains) and 3.5 swaps (less money, more reliability). People are ignoring the easy-to-install MEVI in favor of the superior-flowing 00VI. Tuning is done at half the cost of a JWT chip with an AFC and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. No one is buying CAIs because they would rather have either the low-end torque of the stock intake or the simplicity of a short ram.
I can tell you for sure that at least some parts of the market are on the upswing: People are paying attention to chassis stiffening now, and a company has started producing underbody bracing. Quaife is also back with their incredible ATB differentials.
Who knows? Maybe soon, someone will start putting together 00VI swap kits. Maybe we'll start seeing suspension packages with adjustable coilovers, chassis stiffening, and sway bars. There's a lot of really exciting stuff that people are doing, and there's no end in site yet.
So, no need to worry. I don't think the market is really shrinking. It's just evolving. It may become more selective in the future (i.e. geared more toward the DIYers and harder for n00bs to break into), but it should stay interesting and diverse.
.....for a full-size economy family sedan tuner market.
One factor is natural selection: mods being filtered out because they didn't really provide enough net benefit. That happens a lot in this community because it's relatively closely knit, and stuff gets shot down real fast if it's not very good for the amount of money or effort it takes.
Another factor is that 4th gen Maximas don't really draw the kind of boy-racer-with-money types who want plug-and-play mods, so a lot of the serious modding is done by people who either are willing to do some custom work themselves or know people who will do it for them. Those people aren't really impressed by plug-and-play mods when they can do it better or for less money themselves.
Examples: The decline of supercharger kits seems to have coincided with the rise of turbochargers (greater gains) and 3.5 swaps (less money, more reliability). People are ignoring the easy-to-install MEVI in favor of the superior-flowing 00VI. Tuning is done at half the cost of a JWT chip with an AFC and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. No one is buying CAIs because they would rather have either the low-end torque of the stock intake or the simplicity of a short ram.
I can tell you for sure that at least some parts of the market are on the upswing: People are paying attention to chassis stiffening now, and a company has started producing underbody bracing. Quaife is also back with their incredible ATB differentials.
Who knows? Maybe soon, someone will start putting together 00VI swap kits. Maybe we'll start seeing suspension packages with adjustable coilovers, chassis stiffening, and sway bars. There's a lot of really exciting stuff that people are doing, and there's no end in site yet.
So, no need to worry. I don't think the market is really shrinking. It's just evolving. It may become more selective in the future (i.e. geared more toward the DIYers and harder for n00bs to break into), but it should stay interesting and diverse.
.....for a full-size economy family sedan tuner market.
My two cents:
One factor is natural selection: mods being filtered out because they didn't really provide enough net benefit. That happens a lot in this community because it's relatively closely knit, and stuff gets shot down real fast if it's not very good for the amount of money or effort it takes.
Another factor is that 4th gen Maximas don't really draw the kind of boy-racer-with-money types who want plug-and-play mods, so a lot of the serious modding is done by people who either are willing to do some custom work themselves or know people who will do it for them. Those people aren't really impressed by plug-and-play mods when they can do it better or for less money themselves.
Examples: The decline of supercharger kits seems to have coincided with the rise of turbochargers (greater gains) and 3.5 swaps (less money, more reliability). People are ignoring the easy-to-install MEVI in favor of the superior-flowing 00VI. Tuning is done at half the cost of a JWT chip with an AFC and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. No one is buying CAIs because they would rather have either the low-end torque of the stock intake or the simplicity of a short ram.
I can tell you for sure that at least some parts of the market are on the upswing: People are paying attention to chassis stiffening now, and a company has started producing underbody bracing. Quaife is also back with their incredible ATB differentials.
Who knows? Maybe soon, someone will start putting together 00VI swap kits. Maybe we'll start seeing suspension packages with adjustable coilovers, chassis stiffening, and sway bars. There's a lot of really exciting stuff that people are doing, and there's no end in site yet.
So, no need to worry. I don't think the market is really shrinking. It's just evolving. It may become more selective in the future (i.e. geared more toward the DIYers and harder for n00bs to break into), but it should stay interesting and diverse.
One factor is natural selection: mods being filtered out because they didn't really provide enough net benefit. That happens a lot in this community because it's relatively closely knit, and stuff gets shot down real fast if it's not very good for the amount of money or effort it takes.
Another factor is that 4th gen Maximas don't really draw the kind of boy-racer-with-money types who want plug-and-play mods, so a lot of the serious modding is done by people who either are willing to do some custom work themselves or know people who will do it for them. Those people aren't really impressed by plug-and-play mods when they can do it better or for less money themselves.
Examples: The decline of supercharger kits seems to have coincided with the rise of turbochargers (greater gains) and 3.5 swaps (less money, more reliability). People are ignoring the easy-to-install MEVI in favor of the superior-flowing 00VI. Tuning is done at half the cost of a JWT chip with an AFC and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. No one is buying CAIs because they would rather have either the low-end torque of the stock intake or the simplicity of a short ram.
I can tell you for sure that at least some parts of the market are on the upswing: People are paying attention to chassis stiffening now, and a company has started producing underbody bracing. Quaife is also back with their incredible ATB differentials.
Who knows? Maybe soon, someone will start putting together 00VI swap kits. Maybe we'll start seeing suspension packages with adjustable coilovers, chassis stiffening, and sway bars. There's a lot of really exciting stuff that people are doing, and there's no end in site yet.
So, no need to worry. I don't think the market is really shrinking. It's just evolving. It may become more selective in the future (i.e. geared more toward the DIYers and harder for n00bs to break into), but it should stay interesting and diverse.
is wrong with you man! You need to stop making so much sense.
I agree with everyone else. I like the fact that it's harder to mod this car. It's not like a honda where everyone bolts on rediculous crap. You actually have to know something about working on cars to get some good upgrades going on this car. I don't agree with your post that there arn't a lot of engineers in here. Look at the stuff we do. 00vi, 3.5 swap, Projector retrofits, I could go on for awhile. People do a lot of engineering and inventing on this site and it's mostly the new guys that complain about not having enough mods for the car. Some guy the other posted that there are no websites to buy parts. I gave him the maxmods link and he still didn't think it was good enough. IMO modding a car is not just bolting things on. My sister could mod a car with bolt on parts and she knows nothing about them. I feel smarter modding this car because I know that I had to do work, mental and physical work (as stupid as that sounds) to get extra power. SC's are still all over. MEVI's have a group deal going at this exact moment and people sell them otherwise too. PRCAI is made by Cattman now and can still be made by regular piping. ECU's can be piggybacked but you actually have to tune it. IMO everything to make the max better is still around, just the companies that charged ridiculous prices are no longer around.
edit: I realized that I repeated a lot of doodfood. My bad.
edit: I realized that I repeated a lot of doodfood. My bad.
seriously, you could probably make sense of me buying a honda if you had to 
Originally Posted by Byronape
You think the Max has only a small aftermarket following? Try tuning a Subaru SVX (I'm sure there are some people going "wtf is a SVX?")
There were less then 20,000 sold in the US I believe.
There were less then 20,000 sold in the US I believe.
DUDE YOU ROCK.. I though I was the only one in the continental U.S. who even knew of them (SVX) hahaha. You CANNOT even find OE parts at the dealer for the basterds!!
Originally Posted by wetzelman1
but seriously, what this all comes down to is marketing. Unfortunately there is not a great enough demand by maxima enthusiasts for such aftermarket modifications. Yes there are a lot of members on the .org, but what percentage of them are actually looking for expensive performance mods. A very small percentage. It isn't worthwhole for a company to focus its money on such a small market and therefor, companies cannot support themselves.
plus most maxima owners are cheap... lol, we won't even buy a tailight or headlight mod that people on the forum make...oh and to answer the mevi, oovi overan it because it rules over mevi
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Originally Posted by Apparition
DUDE YOU ROCK.. I though I was the only one in the continental U.S. who even knew of them (SVX) hahaha. You CANNOT even find OE parts at the dealer for the basterds!!
1) Weak auto tranny. At over $1100 or so to replace, I knew that the way I drive I'd either destroy a few or pony up for the swap to the 6spd from the STi.
2) Brakes. The SVX is the heaviest car that Subaru has ever made. They didn't know how to build a hefty brake system at the time, so the one they used was just not good enough. In order to really use the 230 ponies in the flat 6, I'd also have to put on a big brake kit or at least another STi conversion.
Wait... isn't this the wrong place for this discussion? Oops.
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