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Old 03-26-2008 | 08:29 PM
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How to install headers?

Does anyone have a write-up for headers installation?
Old 03-26-2008 | 08:34 PM
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Remove Y-pipe
Remove O2 sensors
Remove header heat shields
Remove front header
Remove rear header
Install front header
Install rear header
Torque to spec
Install Y-pipe
Torque to spec
Install O2 sensors
Torque to spec

Drive and enjoy.
Old 03-26-2008 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mtrai760
Remove Y-pipe
Remove O2 sensors
Remove header heat shields
Remove front header
Remove rear header
Install front header
Install rear header
Torque to spec
Install Y-pipe
Torque to spec
Install O2 sensors
Torque to spec

Drive and enjoy.
Basically.

I do believe, however, you forgot the beer breaks, the wrench flinging, and the cursing.
Old 03-26-2008 | 08:37 PM
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okay but how do i remove the exhaust manifold closest to the firewall?
Old 03-26-2008 | 08:44 PM
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I don't think you will get a much better picture than this-


loosen the EGR tube on the engine side, then remove the pipe from the header side. Other than that, it's just the six bolts for the header tubes.
Old 03-26-2008 | 08:45 PM
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Basically.

I do believe, however, you forgot the beer breaks, the wrench flinging, and the cursing.
Nope, only took me about 20-30 minutes to put my headers on. See picture above for how I did it so fast.
Old 03-26-2008 | 08:48 PM
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ah... so i have to remove my engine... that sux
Old 03-26-2008 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chopsauce
ah... so i have to remove my engine... that sux
You don't have to remove your engine. I had to pull mine for other maintenance (replaced the lower radiator support).
Old 03-26-2008 | 08:56 PM
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i cant find a way to get to the bolt of the headers to the head on the exhaust manifold closest to the firewall
Old 03-26-2008 | 09:00 PM
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Did you try going from the bottom? That's what I would do. Jack stands? Lift?
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Did you try going from the bottom? That's what I would do. Jack stands? Lift?
Lifts are amazingly helpful in this situation, if you don't like laying on your back for a while (I don't, but whatever).

Headers on the Z33 are a pain the ***, I can't imagine transverse...
Old 03-26-2008 | 09:48 PM
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I was gonna say, you gotta probably pull the engine to do it "easy" as noted by Mtrai! Lol at the whole 20 minutes. I have looked at it, not tried it, but just looked and said no thanks. And, I rebuilt my 5spd .... and still say no thanks, not w/o pulling the engine.

Why are you doing headers, what brand, how much ... details mate, come on!
Old 03-27-2008 | 12:57 AM
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You'll have to work from below and above. When I installed my Cattman Headers, I removed the upper intake manifold to gain access to the tricky bolts that I couldn't get from below. I never had to deal with/remove the center support brace supporting everything from underneath. I felt removing the UIM was much easier.

And yes, there was lots of cursing when removing the rear heat shield.
Old 03-27-2008 | 08:02 AM
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A good set of tools will also help. Your going to need multiple extensions and swivels. The constant heat cyclying on those bolts make them much harder to remove.
Old 03-27-2008 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by The Wizard
You'll have to work from below and above. When I installed my Cattman Headers, I removed the upper intake manifold to gain access to the tricky bolts that I couldn't get from below. I never had to deal with/remove the center support brace supporting everything from underneath. I felt removing the UIM was much easier.

And yes, there was lots of cursing when removing the rear heat shield.
+1 on the above and below. I didn't remove my IM though. Instead, I removed the crossmember on the bottom and took off the front and rear motor mounts. This made it pretty easy, but swivels and extensions will be a lifesaver. and have patience!
Old 03-27-2008 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mowgli29
+1 on the above and below. I didn't remove my IM though. Instead, I removed the crossmember on the bottom and took off the front and rear motor mounts. This made it pretty easy, but swivels and extensions will be a lifesaver. and have patience!
Yeah, that's how most people seem to do it. IMO, I still think going the UIM route is easier though.
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Originally Posted by The Wizard
You'll have to work from below and above. When I installed my Cattman Headers, I removed the upper intake manifold to gain access to the tricky bolts that I couldn't get from below. I never had to deal with/remove the center support brace supporting everything from underneath. I felt removing the UIM was much easier.

And yes, there was lots of cursing when removing the rear heat shield.
did the same when I installed mine. Now that I'm going back to stock I dont know how I'm going to get the rear heat shield back in place
Old 03-27-2008 | 10:46 AM
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i removed both the UIM and the lower crossmember for super easy access up top and below. even though its a bit more work, it makes the job a bit easier.

i highly recommend the swivel closed ended ratchet wrenches. those definitely came in handy as its pretty much the main tool i used for the extremely tight spots.

there are numerous threads on header installation. search function is your friend.
Old 03-27-2008 | 11:53 AM
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did the same when I installed mine. Now that I'm going back to stock I dont know how I'm going to get the rear heat shield back in place
I wouldn't worry to much about the rear heat shield. If it bothers you enough, you can always buy some heat shield blanket stuff sold at Home Depot and wedge it between the engine and the firewall.

On a side note, I don't think I could put the heat shield back if I wanted to.....it's mangled to ****.
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On a side note, I don't think I could put the heat shield back if I wanted to.....it's mangled to ****.
Why's that? Were you taking out some frustration on it? Or were you just unable to remove it with the finesse that I did
Old 03-27-2008 | 12:18 PM
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Why's that? Were you taking out some frustration on it? Or were you just unable to remove it with the finesse that I did
My hat goes off to you and anyone else who can remove the heat shield in perfect condition with no dents or deformation. IMO, removing the shield is a royal PITA. I felt like I was playing Tetris as I slowly wiggled it out/beat on it with a hammer and pipe. Same thing occurred when Ptatohed and I removed his heat shield on his 99 simply for weight reduction.
Old 03-27-2008 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mtrai760
Remove Y-pipe
Remove O2 sensors
Remove header heat shields
Remove front header
Remove rear header
Install front header
Install rear header
Torque to spec
Install Y-pipe
Torque to spec
Install O2 sensors
Torque to spec

Drive and enjoy.
I'll make my own version using his post. Mind you, I have a lift and an assortment of power tools in my own garage, but the EGR tube gave me HELL. Here is my list:
  • Flush Radiator of Coolant
  • Take out Radiator/Fans and Condenser (not exactly sure if I removed mine...you'll see if you need to or not)
  • Remove O2 Sensors
  • Remove Y-Pipe
  • Remove Front Header Heat Shields
  • Remove Front Header
  • Take out the Intake Air Assembly all the way to the Throttle Body (take off the TB if you plan to clean it and if you do take off the IACV as well - don't forget to replace the gaskets!!)
  • Remove all the hoses/sensors/wires connect to the Upper Intake Manifold
  • Remove UIM (prior to re-installing...clean the hell out of it)
  • Remove Rear Header Heat Shields
  • Remove Rear Header (take out the EGR Tube by unscrewing the big bolt - you might have to remove the crossmember - I did and it made work much easier)
  • Install Rear Header
  • Install EGR Tube
  • Install UIM
  • Install Front Header
  • Install Radiator/Fans/Condenser
  • Install TB/IACV/Air Intake Assembly
  • Install O2 Sensors
  • Install Y-Pipe

Here is some tips or things you'll probably run into...
  • REPLACE ANY GASKET YOU TAKE OFF WITH OEM NISSAN ONES. Don't be cheap, do it right, and do it once.
  • There is two bolts on the back of the UIM under the 'flap'. You can see it on the picture posted above. They might be hard to get to, and the only way to get to them is from the top.
  • Have at least two cans of WD-40 or similar around handy, your stuff is probably rusted to hell
  • Don't get discouraged. I spread my full-exhaust replacement out over 4 days working 4 hours a day.
  • When re-installing the EGR tube into the header, loosen the end on the engine block to give yourself room to play with. That's what I had to do to make it work.
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Originally Posted by The Wizard
I wouldn't worry to much about the rear heat shield. If it bothers you enough, you can always buy some heat shield blanket stuff sold at Home Depot and wedge it between the engine and the firewall.

On a side note, I don't think I could put the heat shield back if I wanted to.....it's mangled to ****.



yeah I don't have the rear one either mine had to come off in two pieces :P
I'm just worried that the cast iron manifold will get hotter than the ceramic coated and burn something. I guess I can always use heat wrap
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I have no shields either. When I shut my car off, I can hear the metal piping/block cooling much more than I did before I did the exhaust.
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I have no shields either. When I shut my car off, I can hear the metal piping/block cooling much more than I did before I did the exhaust.
how long have you been running without the rear heat shield?
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Originally Posted by The Wizard
My hat goes off to you and anyone else who can remove the heat shield in perfect condition with no dents or deformation. IMO, removing the shield is a royal PITA. I felt like I was playing Tetris as I slowly wiggled it out/beat on it with a hammer and pipe. Same thing occurred when Ptatohed and I removed his heat shield on his 99 simply for weight reduction.
Oh wow. I was just giving you crap...I didn't think they were that bad for other people. I must've gotten lucky and mine pretty much came right out.

And that must be some extensive weight reduction to worry about the heat shields!
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how long have you been running without the rear heat shield?
Since the mid-end of July.
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Since the mid-end of July.
cool I guess I'll be ok without it
Old 03-27-2008 | 01:11 PM
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cool I guess I'll be ok without it
Use Nissan Gaskets! lol.

I didn't and now I think I have a small leak. When it gets a little warmer I'm going to re-order the gaskets from the cat back and re-do it.
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whenever doing exaust work i always use gaskets and Copper RTV or Brown RTV on the flanges so i dont have any leaks. works everytime.
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Originally Posted by The Wizard
My hat goes off to you and anyone else who can remove the heat shield in perfect condition with no dents or deformation. IMO, removing the shield is a royal PITA. I felt like I was playing Tetris as I slowly wiggled it out/beat on it with a hammer and pipe. Same thing occurred when Ptatohed and I removed his heat shield on his 99 simply for weight reduction.
Amen to that man I tried taking mine off the other day and found out that with my entire 120 piece socket set not one size fit. one of the bolts on top is a 10mm and the other one is to big for a 9mm and to small for a 10mm I dont know what to do except break the crap out of the thing.
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Originally Posted by hot_wax_tree
Amen to that man I tried taking mine off the other day and found out that with my entire 120 piece socket set not one size fit. one of the bolts on top is a 10mm and the other one is to big for a 9mm and to small for a 10mm I dont know what to do except break the crap out of the thing.
God I love being Ukrainian lol. My dad has a **** load of Ukrainian tools which have all those funky sizes lol.

But yeah, it's damn near impossible sometimes. I feel yah.
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