Where did everyone put their smack booster? I was going to mount mine right next to the battery with a bracket I made. It is all done except for the wiring and one more piece of the bracket I need to make.

 

Hello everybody. I am one of the many people that stumbled upon this forum, that don't even own a Nissan, curious about the wonders of HHO. I have read everything you guys have said and everything on the smacks booster and there is one thing I still don't get. What is the benefit of having the series of plates setup the way they are? Where along the electrical current does the water molecules break down? I remember doing this whole thing as an experiment in middle school where we filled test tubes with the two separate gasses and then combusted them. All we used then was just two probes in salt water and if my memory is as good as I think it is we got more bubbles with a smaller battery than some of the movies I have seen here.

On a different page here, a little bit of water in a hot cylinder will create steam that will help clean the valves much like using these systems. Don't worry about a little bit of water. Adding a catch case for a system that has water as its exhaust seems quite useless, especially when you are so tight on space. The bubbler I understand.

 

I saw that as well. Looks like this might potentially be the validation this tech needs to go mainstream.

 

I forgot to mention that I've discussed HHO with Bob Lutz of GM. He's very skeptical to say the least. His exact response has been "And I've got some ocean front property in Arizona".

I'd really like to prove him wrong, but until I can prove it for myself, I completely understand his and others skepticism. Hopefully this tech can work and be integrated into the mainstream to help everyone.

The question on everyone's minds is if it does in fact work, why has Toyota or Honda not already using it? That's one I don't have an answer for...

 

i dont know who Bob Lutz is (sorry, who is he?)... not sure what exactly you guys discussed. we'll aren't GM developing hydrogen technology on their cars already?

same as toyota, and honda? they have hybrid cars that works on h2 now.

their ultimate goal is actually get rid of ICE, because its inneficient, replace it by an electric motor powered by a battery and h2 fuel cell.

same as what genepax is doing right now for their h2 powered car, it's actually electric motor,
powered by a battery, and juice supplied by an h2 fuel cell, This is not internal combustion engine where most people got confused about.

but right now since having an electric car with h2 fuel cell is expensive that most of us can't afford, we have to use HHO on ICE for the meantime. I wish I have enough money to buy a Prius.

 

FYI- This posting on the Dallas Craigslist is what got me interested in the first place.
Guy selling 99 Suburban Z71 4x4 with Hydrogen generator getting him 700-800 mp tank highway. He used to have a link to contact him about building your own generator... if I remember correctly it was $350 assembled or $500 installed. Will update if/when he responds.

 

using electric batteries to run cars would be worse for the environment than drilling and burning fossil fuels. first all cars would have multiple batteries, and then what do you do with all those toxic, non-recyclable batteris? so then we'd have landfills filled with batteries and all those god knows what chemicals leaking all over?

 

You have a point, there will always be waste product. But you are only looking at one angle, you are not looking on the good side of what it can bring and how it is better than petrol.

We can't get rid of oil completely, but it is now time to break our addiction to oil.

Burning finite fossil fuels releases greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, and we are now witnessing the effect of it "Cancer", "Global Warming", "Floods", "Change in Weather", and many others.

There is oil spill, that has serious effect to marine life and leaves permanent damage to the environment, and an inevitable loss of marine resources.

Your car leaves emissions everywhere it goes. Electric car does not, and H2 fuell cells only leaves only water vapor, not carbon monoxide.

Running electric is obviously more environment friendly.

Electric car has less wear and tear compared to ICE,
less vibrations, less heat, less noise, less lubrication, less maintenance, less fumes, less headache.

Add regenerative braking to an electric car, and you gain back the energy that was used to move your car. It's more efficient.

And how often do you change batteries? 3-5 years. Then, you can just send your batt to a landfill or buried to the ground where mother nature takes over and decompose it, it can be contained and more maneageable, the effect to nature is minimal compared to fossil fuel. Can you contain greenhouse?

h2 fuel cells is environment friendly, since its only biproduct is water, and it is recyclable, how do you recycle greenhouse? Even mother nature is having trouble keeping up and healing itself.

By the way, electric motors is 99% efficient. Do you know how efficient internal combustion engine is? around 30%!
That means, you use less energy to move your car when you are using electric.

It is obvious, we now need an alternative energy source.

And do you know the reason behind why countries are at war?


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^^^ well, first i like to play devil's advocate.

and batteries i believe are far worse to the environment than oil. and also i don't believe humans (or anything we do) has anything to do with global warming. also i'd like to see you simply bury an automotive battery, then i can call the feds on ya and my other problem with electric cars, is that you personally stop burning fuel, yes. but then where do you get the electricity, and how do they make it, coal burning, nuclear, oil burning, and a few others. you simply change the burden. and don't tell me you wouldn't need to charge it. and if you really believe we're in a war for oil, then you can only thank the tree huggers, we've got our own oil. the granolas just won't let us utilize it.

my belief is why not make the ICE more efficient? what happened to the days of a diesel car that could get almost 50mpg? that's why i'm interested to see if anybody can even show small gains in mileage using this hho. i think ICE are so inefficient because really there wasn't anywhere near the push for alternatives as now, and i think everybody was just rolling along happy.

although i do believe we need alternative energy.

back on topic have any of you guys that have or were building these units have any updates???

 

I think what he meant "buried the batt to the ground" is still landfill, you probably took it literally.

If you work on motors, you'll realize how inneficient an ICE is, most of the energy it consumes goes to heat.

Fossil Fuel is the ultimate contributor of greenhouse and global warming, and that's a fact.

Petrol or Nuclear or Fart, Electricity is much cheaper if its generated from the grid/powerplant and distributed to consumers through powerlines to power their electric cars, than buying petrol from the pump.

Yes, somebody has to play devil's advocate to keep things going.

 

I'll let it go this time, except for the granolas.

 

well that's like i said, i don't believe humans have contributed to the "green house effect" or "global warming". and you can not say it's a fact, cause there's just as much science out there debunking "global warming" as there is supporting it. the problem is what makes a better news story "humans are causing global warming and we'll all die eventually if WE don't fix it" or "global warming actually is just a planetary cycle in an ever changing environment"? so that's what we hear. btw, thanks to both of you guys for i feel being civil about your arguments. an really i'm sorry if the granola's offended anybody.

but to each there own, and that's why i don't talk about this stuff with friends

still waiting for some of our fellow org'ers to show us if their hho systems work.

 

A friend of mine suggested that I watched Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth and I started watching it until the wife pulled me away. He spent a lot of time on a test of the quantity of carbon in the atmosphere. He showed how naturally the amount did rise and fall but in the last 30 years it has risen quite a bit more. He then related the relationship between the amount of carbon in the atmosphere to the temperature. More carbon meant more heat. I haven't taken the time to check his work but it does make sense why we might have more carbon now than we did 60 years ago. I'm sure you have heard all this before but he lays out the natural course and where we are and where we are going.

To say that humans, with their coal burning factories/power plants, their fossil fuel burning engines, and all the trees they have removed, have nothing to do with global warming would be denial. I would have to recommend psychiatric counseling for a case that strong.

 

Don't even get me started on that scammer called Al *****. The only inconvenient truth is his existence. In his movie, computer-generated scenes were.................. okay, i'm gonna stop now <breathing>

 

oh, i'm not offended, its entertaining, i just forgot to put the smileys on.

 

I haven't seen any proof that humas aren't destroying this planet. I know I don't help at all and I don't strive to drive a Prius or anything of that sort. Untill it's forced upon me I will probably not change my ways.

Back to the HHO topic, after reading about the ineffeceientcy of Internal Combustion Engines and how energy is lost through heat I started to wonder how much energy is lost through heat with the smacks booster. Any ideas on how to elimitate the heat in the systems? And what about the water temperature effecting the amount of energy to break down the molecules. Wouldn't cold water be easier to break?

 

hot water is easier to break since the atoms are more excited

 

well since i don't believe anyone can argue the fact that the news will only ever cover the good aspects of a story (they'll show accidents, murders, thefts, etc all day long. but not boy scout projects, new libraries, and the such) here's some food for thought...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJ5pHVKjiI

i think most of the hysteria is simply caused by our human advancements that enable us to better see our environment. i mean how do you know the whole in the ozone hasn't been there since before man, how would the first man been able to know

amen!! he's a huge propagandist. i mean have you read any articles about his MULTIPLE mansions, which have been proven to be "eco harmful" but he never wants to talk about? but it's alright because he's doing his part to offset global warming.

 

Bob Lutz is the Vice Chairman of GM. Our discussion was specifically about hydrogen/hydroxy fuel injection via onboard electrolysis (what this thread is all about). We were not talking about hydrogen fuel cells in the traditional sense. They typically cost millions and use a proton exchange membrane. HHO can be built for less than $100 w parts from local hardware store.

Didn't mean to get this thread off track. I'm actually here to see how the HHO units are doing on 4th gens in real world usage.

 

I have not installed my EFIE devices yet on my 4th gen, however, in a very minature and nigh on uncontrolled experiment, I ran a 1975 Chevy Blazer for 54 miles with my HHO unit. As near as I can tell, without the HHO unit, the Blazer is receiving between ~12-14 mpg on average. With the booster, the truck received ~15-16 mpg. Not much gain, I know, but a gain nonetheless. I expect more of a gain with the a32.

 

infinitiScott,
GM won't surely listen to you, unless you show them billions of dollars to fund their research, that's what they are good for. They dont want to use their own money to fund this type of research. Government are mostly funding it.

Didn't GM actually was asked by congress to do research on hydrogen if its feasible to be use as car fuel? (Alternative Fuel Research)... After five years, then came back to the congress and said "YES, it is possible"..

Take note, after 5 YEARS!!!, and they used all this billion dollar funding from the government (thats our tax dollars!), to only come up with a YES answer?. And few months ago, asking congress again to increase their funding for alternative fuel research...

It only takes 5 days for us to make an hho generator to power our car, and we can say "YES, it works, and not only that, here is the proof!"

Geez!!!

For sure, their research team came across HHO already... Of course, the VC of GM dont care and dont know any little bit of this details, what they care about is how to get their company going, and all about cash flows.

Maybe you should ask him where did that funding went?

 

Damn, 3 mpg. Dude, that's 25% increase, who would complain....

 

Ummhhh... Congress, part of it went to some "ocean front property in Arizona"


Yes, we can make HHO booster in less than $100 bucks, but not if its made and sold by GM.

Million Dollars for the proton exchange membrane?, Damn GM, that's almost a million dollar profit there, are you buying it from Genepax and reselling it?, for a $18,000, you can have the car together with the Fuel Cell with similar technology? Lots of companies got hold of this technology already, there's no need for a research for it, it's time to put it into action!

 

.... Wow. Does anyone have one thats actually installed AND works?

I'm a Mech engineering student and I find this hard to believe. Even if it works, if you thought Nitrous was explosive you try letting loose free hydrogen molecules in those cheap plastic boxes.

Im not saying it can't be done by i don't think it can be done with the kits ive seen so far. And if you think the government is stopping this from happening for money your crazy because they would just "coercively purchase" the patents from the inventor and make millions for military applications. And it also wouldn't hurt gas companies cuz it works WITH gas.

IMHO

 

I think you need to read more first before posting, military has been using hydrogen long ago, they even have electrolyzer in their tanks, read where "joe cell" originated, even NASA's gemini project back in 60's did use hydrogen, they are already have hydrogen fuel cell back then, and have you notice the huge cylinders on Space Shuttle's Belly during take off?... What's in there is hydrogen. Yes, it is rocket fuel.

This is not new, it's only new to those who think fossil fuel is the only fuel we can use to run an ICE.

And by the way, what we are doing is on demand hydrogen production and feeds directly to the engine, we are not storing hydrogen, if you know it works, you wont ask why we use a plastic, acrylic or pvc container.

and kits? what kits?... most of the kits online are from scambags, who dont even know how to make an hho generator and even uses a mason jar and even hydrogen peroxide as electrolyte.

Lots of good HHO generator plans are freely available, smack booster is a good start and move to a better design from there.

 

thread is called HHO intake kits even though it turned to smack booster thread etc. You talk about hydrogen in rocket fuel, any idea how much that is per gallon?? its $$$ which defeats the purpose. my point is i dont believe there is a cost effective HHO system that is suitable for "civilian" use. its jus not stable IMO.

they have engines that can run off of hydrogen but they tend to have a few small issues, explosions being one.

Not saying it cant be done i just dont think its time is now. I could be wrong, Im definitely skeptic

 

That's from what they teach you in school.

haven't you heared that there's already significant breakthrough in hydrogen production, and lots of research discoveries already, and have you heared of proton exchange membrane?

What power space shuttle and lift it to space is hydrogen.! Read!!, if not, what do you think it is, petrol?

Since you already talked about inneficiencies, do you know how much petrol is needed to lift space shuttle into space?, not to mention that it is much heavier than hydrogen?, have you thought of the cost of lifting that kind of weight into space including its payload? Oh by the way, do you know how light hydrogen is?... it's even lighter than the air you breathe.
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Isn't that's why you use it in an internal combustion engine?... COMBUSTION!!!
Hahaha

As always, all skeptics are having a hard time moving forward. You are still stucked with the old textbooks! and old theories.

Have you tried building an elecrolyzer?.. Obviously not.

 

Okay , im not going to read the whole thing 11 pages already can anyone point their finger for me to buy the kits for good price.

 

http://smacksboosters.110mb.com/Smack.pdf
then go to the Home Depot or Lowe's for your parts and build your kit.

 

http://water4gas.com

I was looking at that site which builds um differently. I saw it on the local news of someone using it and it get me interested. Good to see people are trying it.

Also please stop the false information in this thread.
You CANNOT reset the 4th gen ecu by unplugging the batt for a few hours.
There is a bunch more as well.

 

stay out of water4gas systems and their mason jars and their stainless steel wires, if you are thinking you can use that in a car, you'll regret you bought their product. It's only good for experimentation, and for heating water making coffee. Read the previous post in this thread.

Ozzie Freedom is the person running this scam, he is posting ads everywhere, nobody has ever joined the HHO rally done few months back who uses a mason jar from water4gas, because it doesn't work as you thought it is.

Build the right electrolyzer, see different design here (look for chapter 10):
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

 

Why not? It makes CELs go away

 

Makes sense just the way the website looks, I didn't think it was a good idea from the materials he used...

 

It works!!!! I finally got a chance to test it. It is not as good as Smacks himself but I am damn proud. I will get a video and a test when I condition it first. This is my update.

 

So you have your EFIE's installed or are you just running the booster??

 

Just the running booster. I will install it in about a week when its conditioned to see what it does without the efie's. I am building the efies from scratch and I am still awaiting the circuit boards to start production. I am also building my own AFR gauge. Cost me $5, thought I'd see how that goes.

 

sweet...well keep us posted. I'm still conditioning mine, but not doing it in the car, just on a bench for a few hours after work each day and i've only used it for the initial run with my chevy.

 

Which works, The mason jar design?

you bought it?

That is a single cell design,using wires as 2 electrodes, the single cell is taking 12v atleast if you put it on a car battery. It'll surely produce hydrogen, and the remaining 10v, 85% of energy its using is producing steam or heating the water when you run it any longer than 15mins

Regardless, can you post efficiency, how much gas volume in minute, versus wattage used?

 

rxm6: Does it get more efficient the more I condition it? How much KHO do you personally use?