I've been reading this for over an hour now. .. . i'm too confused and need a "how to" sticky lol

 

I still dont completely understand it. How big would you guys say the risk factor is if done wrong? I heard this stuff is very flammable what are the chances itll ignite?
Anyone ask if Dandy has a write up on it

 

Hydrogen gas is flammable, hence it going into the intake and combusting in the engine. When you make a hydrogen generator I would say you must have a bubbler and a flash suppressor for safety. A bubbler built right can take care of a backfire if it has the proper level of water in it and maybe a popoff cap. I would go with a flash suppressor also because my bubbler ran low on water, there was some sort of backflash and the bottle started melting. The water ran low because i didn't have a check valve on the hydrogen generator, the feed line was hooked to vacuum so everytime I turned off the car the pressure created in the unit from the vacuum would suck water out of the bubbler. This in turn would mess up my electrolyte composition from the added water. Through trial and error you learn how to build them right. Check valve, bubbler, flash suppressor all needed items to be safe and efficient.

 

So has anyone gotten around the front O2 sensor messing with the A/F ratio yet?

 

Just to give you guys a sneak preview of the true 6 series hho cell i'm working on, just got time this weekend to work on it. It's taking me a while as I only work on this during the weekend.

Here, you'll see i'm using crimped wires to connect the cell, dont follow this example as the connectors and copper wire will corrode and arc in no time, and i'll go KABOOM , just ran out of SS straps, will change this later, Just can't wait to power it up and test efficiency.

 

whatd u say the melting point of that material your using is? somthing around 200F?

 

200C/392F

You can even cook your spaghetti in there, just pour boiling water, and drop your pasta in and cover, wait 20mins.

 

SMEXY, except im gonna assume you dang near paid an arm and a leg for the material?

 

neither.

just time and ingenuity.

 

If anyone does this be careful it could end up doing nothing. Your o2 sensors in most cases read the the extra hydrogen as a lean mixture and dump more fuel. They make a o2 extenders that pull the sensor out of the exhaust stream a little to keep this from happening.

 

It has been discussed.

It really depends, every car is different

 

n0ypi, is that acrylic? what thickness?

 

acrylic computer cases...could be modded to make a HHO tank out of
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...nd&Order=PRICE

 

would not recommend an o2 extender.

Best use a pwm or a cosm, this you'll surely know its working and you can control the pulse at your dashboard.

o2 extenders, you can't confirm if its working and doing its job.

need a little peace of mind.

 

Yes. 1/4"

 

So has anyone been using it for over 2 weeks? What are the results? I have been looking on ebay at all kinds of hho devices and a few look really good, can any of the pros in this thread give a newbie some guidance? These are two of the better looking ones:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hydro...spagenameZWDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hydro...spagenameZWDVW

 

One word... "Eeewww!..."

It only looks good from the outside, any electrolyzer that doesn't show the cell design is highly questionable.

You'll be better off just building smack booster!.. or the one above!

 

The second picture in the first link is the cell design, it's literally just an outside container and an inner one, there are wing nuts on the terminals if you look close. One on the lid, one on the container.

 

I got laughed at on the F150 site for bringing this subject up, thank goodness I found your forum with lots of info and the willingness to tinker. I had already stumbled on the Smacks generator plans and built it for my truck but I too have ran into the O2 problem. I hope maybe if you can solve it for your cars I can do something similar in my truck. Anyone have any luck yet?

 

yes, those dumb*ss always thought we are trying to achieve overunity and violating laws of thermodynamics, they didn't realize that an Internal Combustion Engine is inneficient, HHO is just helping petrol to burn better and cleaner.

They'll start to open their thick skull, If they've attended the Jarboe's Mill Event held last weekend in Maryland, where HHO tinkerers gather together, shared new discoveries and demonstrated their HHO cell in their car.

I hope the guys already posted their videos on youtube, but keep searching "Jarboe's Mill" it will be there soon.

 

Yes, Now I know how ZeroFossilFuel looks like...

Next event I think will be Oct in Florida.

Guys, for in-depth discussions on HHO, you may wanna join Yahoo's Hydroxy group. Make sure you read through first, search for your answers,
and not ask the obvious, little common sense saves other peoples time.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy

See ya'.

 

I'm definately interested in this project, hopefully we can see some benefits for getting around the damn O2 sensors.

GL to all you guinea pigs

 

I know that the question was asked earlier about where to get the Stan Meyer design data. I am not sure if the link has been given but here it is. The file is a pdf and is about 3 Mb.

http://waterpoweredcar.com/pdf.files..._Full_Data.pdf

The design of the electrolysis unit itself is like any other with a few minor details. He uses SS tubes instead of plates. He felt that tubes were more efficient. Also, the distance between the tubes was important to him ~1.9mm.
The circuit is the most important part in my opinion. He sets up a resonant LC circuit using the SS tubes as the capacitor and the water as the dielectric. This generates a very high voltage across the inductor and the capacitor at the resonant frequency. This causes the dielectric (water) to break down into hydrogen and oxygen. Once the system is built just dial in the proper frequency, which can be calculated, and it should start to split the water.
Supposedly this would use much lower current to drive the system. What I have seen claimed is about 3 amps. It also requires no salt (bicarb, NaCl, or KOH) to run the system.

I am a Chemical engineer with ~ 15 years experience in electronics. I am planning on building a system outside of the car soon to see how it works.


Haz

 

Haz, It's good to know that you are on this,
Yes, tubes are efficient if you are using resonance, else, its a just waste of time, money, and energy.

Just dial in to what frequency? We'll, sounds very simple and easy does it?.

Stan actually did left out a lot of details in the patent, it works 100% as described, but the patent is not 100% complete.

The resonance is not fixed. It differs on every every cell, depends on the material used, temperature, water impurities, size of container, and others.

The resonance could either be khz to gigahertz, it could even be in dual freq or more. Even when the water starts breaking up and producing hydrogen, the resonance change, and you have to find and chase it, and then starts the stepping charge again (see VIC-Voltage Intensifier Circuit), and repeat the same process over and over again. And obtaining resonance lock is not easy. There's surely more to it that Meyers didn't mentioned, and we are all still trying to figure that out.

Since scanning through a wide range frequencies takes a while, Meyers already figured out the range of frequencies where his cell would resonate and just search through this set of ranges until he obtain a resonance lock.

Even Bob Boyce's Electrolyzer has to use 3 different harmonics simultaneously in brute force, or shotgun approach, and just keep bombarding the water with this harmonics. Like throwing 3 darts in different directions in the dark trying to hit a moving bullseye.

If the resonance can easily be calculated and fixed, we are all probably producing hydrogen now like Meyers. But it is not.

There's actually a lot of research going on about this,
Hoping we will get there soon.

 

mad-max,
You stated you had the books from water4gas but wouldn't post because there copy righted.

If you check the copy right office, which I did, you will find they have no such books on receord under that name nor under his name.

I even checked the patent office and of course nothing there either.

Its probably like his use of the BBB logo. I checked there first and found he is not a member AND they instrucked him to take the BBB logo off his web pages.

I'm not trying to blast the guy but was just cking things out before spending $97.

His name was what got me searching for info, He changed it several years ago as a marketing tool. What will people do to rip you off?

So just wondering if you will post those books now.

Thanks Ron1

 

I do of course like to look through 12 pages of this thread, but rather then doing that...

Can you guys quickly remind me which electrolyte is the best and where to get it?

Thanks!

 

KOH -- Potassium Hydroxide

http://www.summerbeemeadow.com

under soap making supplies

 

NaOH works good too and is a little easier to find.
Its in the cleaning supplies as Lye. Look for a bottle of 100% Lye in powder form. I think its cheaper than KOH too.

 

So both of these are better then Baking Soda?

Edit: Never mind, found all the info on both. You guys are the best

 

[QUOTE=n0ypi;6502866]Haz, It's good to know that you are on this,
Yes, tubes are efficient if you are using resonance, else, its a just waste of time, money, and energy.



Just dial in to what frequency? We'll, sounds very simple and easy does it?.

Stan actually did left out a lot of details in the patent, it works 100% as described, but the patent is not 100% complete.

The resonance is not fixed. It differs on every every cell, depends on the material used, temperature, water impurities, size of container, and others.


n0ypi,

 

[QUOTE=n0ypi;6502866]
Just dial in to what frequency? We'll, sounds very simple and easy does it?.

Stan actually did left out a lot of details in the patent, it works 100% as described, but the patent is not 100% complete.

The resonance is not fixed. It differs on every every cell, depends on the material used, temperature, water impurities, size of container, and others.


n0ypi thanks for the feedback. I should be able to calculate the capacitance of the cell with the dimensions of each tube using water as a dielectric. I had thought of the problem with the change in both density and level of the water changing the capacitance of the cell. Unfortunately I have not thought of a solution. First I would like to experiment to see if I can get it react initially as planned. I thought that Ravi had solved this problem. I have seen video of his working model. Do you have any input on this??

Thanks,

Haz

 

[quote=Hazmat235;6507071]Haz, Ravi hasn't solve this completely, he's not automatically sweeping and searching for resonance, just manual tuning. (based on his last work).

Anyhow, it's still very hard to replicate since this resonance varies on every cell. Few people would claim that they successfully replicted his work but wont post details then stopped communicating. Are they on their way to the patents office, got bought, or just pulling our legs?

last info I know is bocaf-panacea is trying to replicate Ravi's work, I haven't heared anything yet if they were succesful.

We believe Ravi's work, but not sure if he did provided all the details of his cell so it can be fully replicated... He even stopped posting videos since last year, We understand how it feels when your life hang in a balance. Even those are just phone calls, it'll surely affect you.

 

Hey has anyone had any luck with there unit yet?

Handn't seen any post in a while, just wondering.

 

^yes, i use mine regularly with my carburetted car, however, i haven't had time to hook up efie's to max so I haven't put it in there yet.

 

you guys gotta see Daniel Dingel's recent demonstration of his reactor (h2 gen, h2 fuel cell in one)...

once excited by any type of battery (even flashlight batt), it'll produce h2, or converts it back to electrictity, captures the water, and put it back to cycle...
Remove the battery, and it'll be on its own... wow!
overunity?

Remember, he doesn't use any electrolyte, he even sip the water out of the reactor.

http://www.danieldingel.com
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_WJfFzBe28&e

 

I read a thread on another site about this that came to the conclusion that it is not worth it. I will try to find the link.

 

You don't have to show the links, we can find them ourselves.

But have you read from the other sites how it works?

First, this is not for Sissies, you have to atleast khow how your car works, if you don't know how to change your car's motor oil, its not for you.

And you can tell everybody that it doesn't work because you don't know how to. And it does not worth your time.

You may want to stop reading sites like this that deals with alternative energy if it really bothers you.

 

Yes I would like a copy of the books, I read this is a good conversion.

 

Good Luck. I Have emailed Mad Max and have gotten no response. Don't know if he has stoped posting on this site or what.

But I would like a copy as well. It is supose to have a build for a dual map sensor enhancer in it, I think it would help alot of people on this site. I would even pay for it.

Anyway, good luck.

Just a quick question, Which system seems to be the best, The coiled wire or the plates???

Thanks, Ron

 

You can take a look at water4gas books to see what's in there, but dont spend any money on it, that company and the person who wrote it doesn't deserve a penny, water4gas is a scam.

All of this information are freely available on the net.

Go to
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/ and look for "Hydroxy Booster Technology"

Or "Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices"
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/ and look for "Chapter 10"

That's all you need.