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Old Oct 23, 2013 | 09:42 AM
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Been lurking around this forum since I inherited my father's 1996 maxima a couple years ago. Very informative. However I'm not able to diagnose my issue and was wondering if anyone has some thoughts...

For the last 8 years (yup...) when the temp drops below ~50 degs it's necessary to feather the gas for a few seconds when cold starting the car. Been told this was IACV. So finally I broke down and got one on ebay. Coincidentally, when driving last week the car stalled while I was at a light. I was able to get it started but it ran real rough. Pulled into gas station and filled it up thinking maybe the gauge is wrong and I ran it out of gas. Ran rough for another 10 minutes but smoothed out enough to drive 30 miles home. On this drive I noticed some hesitation in the throttle. Car would surge slightly either under load or cruising. So I installed the new IACV, replaced fuel filter, and cleaned the TB after all this mess. For the last few days the car ran like a champ. No more cold start issues, smooth idle, and much better throttle response, however yesterday I noticed the surge & hesitation came back. Engine light is still on (2 months now) throwing knock sensor and EGR codes. I don't see how either of these would cause the car to hesitate...but I could be wrong. If they were bad the car would always do this - but it doesn't. It's more hit & miss. The car has 265,000 miles on it - it's an absolute workhorse!

Any ideas? Thanks all...

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Old Oct 23, 2013 | 10:11 AM
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Clear those codes and see what other codes pop up.

Im taking a guess and saying its your MAF sensor. It could also be the fuel pump as well.

For now, clean the MAF and, if u can, test fuel pressure.

You may want to check/ replace your plugs
Old Oct 23, 2013 | 10:18 AM
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Any ideas? Thanks all...
Check vacuum lines. I had something similar occur

I split the bottom of the rubber accordion hose that connects the airbox to the TB putting it back on when I replaced my IACV ...so I assumed symptoms were an issue with the new setup.
Old Oct 26, 2013 | 08:25 AM
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I guess I didn't set up notifications - had no idea I had replies. But thanks guys.

I checked hoses - visually - but didn't see anything. I tried to clear the codes but these autoparts stores no longer clear for you. I may have to breakdown and buy a scanner. I have a dashboss that I use on my other cars - more for tuning - but it doesn't read this maxima. i guess the software is too old on the ECU(???). I'll try to find someone who will blow these codes away for me. Is there a way to reset codes without a scanner on this car? I did see on the 5th gen that there's a reset/relearn procedure - but haven't found anything for 4th gen.

Looking at the maint history - the EGR valve was never touched in 17 yrs. How would that impact this hesitation or stuttering issue I'm seeing? I wouldn't think so but I'm no mechanic...
Old Oct 26, 2013 | 10:34 AM
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reset screw

theres a screew on the ecu near the gas pedal...that should clear em up.... youtube has vids on how to do it!....if thats what your askin
Old Oct 26, 2013 | 01:48 PM
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EGR = exhaust gas recirculation. Affects emissions, and can impact engine performance if stuck open for example.

Bad Knock sensor = retards timing, there is your hesitation. Replace knock sensor, should fix things.
Old Oct 26, 2013 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by D.Stillwell
EGR = exhaust gas recirculation. Affects emissions, and can impact engine performance if stuck open for example.

Bad Knock sensor = retards timing, there is your hesitation. Replace knock sensor, should fix things.
+1 for knock sensor and EGR system, I had this before and after I cleaned EGR tube, replaced knock sensor, it hasn't had cold start and hesitation issues for 2 years. Also, clean MAF too to see if that will help. Pull codes next time CEL is on.
Old Oct 26, 2013 | 08:38 PM
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This has been discussed endlessly. Knock sensor makes a night and day difference start with your CEL codes. Never heard of a stuck open or clogged EGR hurting performance.
Old Oct 27, 2013 | 08:38 AM
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This has been discussed endlessly. Knock sensor makes a night and day difference start with your CEL codes. Never heard of a stuck open or clogged EGR hurting performance.
Never said clogged, I said stuck open valve. EGR should open/close at specific times and is used to lower combustion temps and reduce emissions. It affects AFR, can possibly hurt performance but not very likely.

Anyway OP's #1 priority right now should be the knock sensor, and it will make a world of difference. And who cares that it's been discussed endlessly, we're here to help.
Old Oct 30, 2013 | 12:32 PM
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I'll review some vids on how to change the KS. It's in a real tough spot. I don't want to get involved with taking the upper and lower manifolds off. Have to get my hands on long extension and swivel.

I'll look for that screw near the gas pedal to reset the CELs.

Thanks all! Very much appreciated!
Old Oct 30, 2013 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by d.stillwell

anyway op's #1 priority right now should be the knock sensor, and it will make a world of difference. And who cares that it's been discussed endlessly, we're here to help. :d
amen
Old Oct 30, 2013 | 08:41 PM
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The knock sensor was easy for me after I shot some maf cleaner on it and used a Bar to gain leverage on the wrench also removing the green connector clip was helpful gave me room to see and work. If you have the money or the tools adjustable extensions are nice and would do the job. A cold engine is preferred. Although I don't think the knock sensor would cause your car to sputter out and run ruff. Best of luck
Old Oct 31, 2013 | 06:30 AM
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I reset the CEL last night so we'll see what pops back up. The car runs great now since cleaning the TB and replacing the IACV. Huge difference!

Now for new brakes....
Old Nov 1, 2013 | 12:12 PM
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I reset the CEL last night so we'll see what pops back up. The car runs great now since cleaning the TB and replacing the IACV. Huge difference!
So as I stated above I reset the CEL, ran the car 30 miles to work...no hesitation. Worked all day then returned 30 miles home. On my way home I get hesitation - mostly when the car is under load (up hill or accelerating). No CEL though. Again I drove the car to work this morning and nothing. So we'll see how it is going home tonight. Any thoughts on hesitation issues when the car is under load? I haven't replaced the KS yet.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 12:43 PM
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I second cashoit's post--check your plugs, and make sure they're NGK.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 01:05 PM
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I second cashoit's post--check your plugs, and make sure they're NGK.
I will - thank you. I haven't driven the car since my disaster ride home from work last Friday. Took two hours because the car would not run. This weekend I'll dive into it. I may also look to clean the EGR tube and sensor. Hasn't been done in 265,000 miles.
Old Nov 9, 2013 | 11:48 AM
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So I changed the knock sensor. The old one was cracked and slightly charred. I guess after 265,000 miles that'll happen. While I had the air box out I thought I'd clean the MAF too. Got everything back together - she fired up no prob. Idling nicely. I give it a couple revs and it starts bogging down. It's happening around 2300 rpm. Consistent bucking. Engine light is back on now too. Checked all hoses and made sure all clamps are tight. Did I kill the MAF by cleaning it? I was super carefull with it.
I need to pull the codes off this thing but before I do this - any thoughts?
Old Nov 9, 2013 | 11:57 AM
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check the codes - no sense in speculating until then...
Old Nov 11, 2013 | 12:57 PM
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Did you use MAF cleaner or something else?
Old Nov 11, 2013 | 01:04 PM
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Old Nov 12, 2013 | 10:10 AM
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if its not reving past 2500 rpm, bogging down, hesitating, and/or shutting off, then your MAF is toast.

There are soldering pins in the MAF that can be resoldered that should fix it as most often times the solder comes undone. SEARCH for Lukegxe95 pic of what to solder.

Or just pick up a MAF from the junkyard
Old Nov 12, 2013 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cashoit
if its not reving past 2500 rpm, bogging down, hesitating, and/or shutting off, then your MAF is toast.

There are soldering pins in the MAF that can be resoldered that should fix it as most often times the solder comes undone. SEARCH for Lukegxe95 pic of what to solder.

Or just pick up a MAF from the junkyard
I searched but couldn't find anything. I assume Lukegxe95 is a user name? I searched on that name alone and had 0 results. Do you by any chance have that link?
Old Nov 12, 2013 | 06:37 PM
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I picked up a code reader tonight - P0100 MAF. Plus knock sensor but that's brand new so that's not it. Also air temp sensor - again probably tied to the MAF. Time to get one....
Old Nov 12, 2013 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveS
I picked up a code reader tonight - P0100 MAF. Plus knock sensor but that's brand new so that's not it. Also air temp sensor - again probably tied to the MAF. Time to get one....

Yah another maf should fix your problem, also the air temp sensor is right next to the maf inside of the air filter housing on top.
Old Nov 13, 2013 | 05:16 AM
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Knock sensor/IAT codes should go away w/ MAF replaced.

A good MAF makes a huge difference, I'd get a brand new one (around $100) not a junkyard one, no need to go into the why... Also, don't get an aftermarket MAF (OEM only) or you might have further problems/code coming back.

The re-soldering thread is here:
http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generation-maxima-1995-1999/629788-p0100-stalling-bucking-problem-fixed.html\

It has a pic of the MAF opened up, there are 3 connections inside but I highly doubt that's the culprit.
Old Nov 21, 2013 | 08:39 AM
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So I purchased a used OEM MAF from someone on this forum, reset the codes, and drove the car 65 miles to & from work. On the ride home the CEL came back on. I scanned it and it’s a P1400 – EGR solenoid/valve. The engine seemed very smooth but with slight hesitation when it was cold. Once it warmed up it was good to go. I also noticed the cold idle was higher than usual (1400-1600 RPM). It was around 750 when warmed up.

So how difficult is it to change the EGR solenoid? Where is it located? I’ve read that the EGR tube is under the IACV and would probably need some cleaning out. Based on the look of the old IACV and TB I can image the EGR Tube is pretty plugged up. Is it worth the effort to clean this up too – assuming the solenoid & tube are in the same location? I’ve replaced the KS, IACV, MAF, and cleaned the TB – I guess this is the last of the “must cleans…”? Thoughts?
Old Nov 25, 2013 | 07:32 AM
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As for an EGR Solenoid - should I stick with OEM or is aftermarket ok? Car has 265k on it and I've decided to sell it so don't want to sink too much into it at this point but also don't want something crapping out on me or the next owner (my conscience....). Thanks
Old Nov 25, 2013 | 01:03 PM
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Here's a video I found showing its location and how to test the solenoid.



Some have had success taking it apart and cleaning it. I'd grab one from a junkyard before buying a new one. Aftermarket will be fine, not one of those "OEM or bust" parts but last time I checked prices at the parts store it was like $75+
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