hmmm 9004. Sounds interesting and i will keep an eye out.
Hi greg .

 

So whats the plan here? 1 piece to replace the stock headlight and corner light or just normal style to replace the headlight (still using stock corner light). My front end needs fixing and I'm holding off ordering 97-99 headlights until I get word on how this is shaping up.

 

LOL your going out on a limb cuz your making a sick investment thats gonna yield you sick amounts of money in the long run.

 

I'm definatley in on this for whatever the cost.

Btw, gtr, the pics that you posted here and in shirtboys thread aren't coming up for me, maybe you could put them on another host? Or e-mail them to me at fo-twanky@attbi.com. Thanks

 

Yes, please God, anything but 9004's!!!! They suckass!

 

Greg from Messiah!

I am in like flynn!

 

Not as a HID I think that is what they are saying, maybe making them 9004 for the dims since alot of guys have invested $400 allready on the Hid kits that have been all over the board. plus if there is two different lights, with the 9004 in the dim, when you hit the brights you would get the bright filiment from the 9004 and whatever other bulb they put in there, instead of having one set on one set off

 

bump

 

no that's ghey... I don't want to live with $hitty headlights so that people who got hid for 9004 can be compatible... I would think they whould have realized how bad the 9004 housing is even after putting in the HIDs and would want something else anyway.

 

If owners on this board even consider 9004 for the projectors I'm out. I'm sorry that so many invested in HID for the 9004 but I'm sure you can sell them. There must be a bunch of cars out there that still use this bulb. But if we're gonna have input on a new and cutting edge product for our cars why crowd it with older clearly less sophisticated technology.

 

anything new in regards to the projector lights?

 

I'm still working on them. The tooling is currently being made in Taiwan. I will have a prototype in a couple weeks and will supply pictures.

 

Very nice Greg, very nice......

 

 

Taiwanese people kick @$$!

 

count me in!

 

I love the design and hope the beam pattern is worthy ..also hope cost will be reasonable ...jay..we finaly have nice heads

 

This would be soooooo sweet!

Outer lens material? What's it gonna be? My vote is for Lexan. For durability and clarity, I think it's the best choice. (I'd be willing to pay a little more if it raises your materials cost). Pleeeeeaze don't use acrylic!

Those who want a 1-piece design that integrates the headlamp assembly with the corner lamp: I agree, it would look great & be a clean look, but you have to keep three things in mind: it 1) will increase the cost, 2) will make installation more difficult but most importantly, 3) it may prevent you from retaining any OEM type headlamp adjustments.

Any feedback on these topics, Greg?



Also, I'm in agreement on the DON'T USE 9004 vote. If you have the $ to buy HID's then within months consider making another major lighting purchase, just because you have to have the latest/greatest, then sell your HID's to someone else if you (again) just GOTTA have the projector lights.

Please don't ask the rest of us to suffer with design input that is substandard, just so your HID purchase can be justified. Not everyone has or will be buying 9004 HID's and the halogen 9004's do SUCK A$$, so there's no reason to incorporate them into a brand new design, if better options are available.

My .02 cents,
-K-

 

You can easily adapt them anyway, because you can order new bulbs to fit. Just make sure they fall into a certain catagory, ie: 9004, 9006, HB1, etc.

 

I am interested as long as the lights can be ajusted up and down.
This can blinding for those using HID's. Who am I kiddin I'll get them
regardless!! But there has to be a way to make them with adjustment screws.

 

THANKS Custom!! I just saw this thread for the first time. I was gonna try to make some but you beat me to the punch. At least you have some pro's doing it. I almost bought the light $400 each for the 5 series Halo lights. Thanks for saving me the trouble if the Quality is good, I'm in. Money is not an issue..... Haahahaha yea right but I do really want them if they're nice.

 

if these are anything like the the beamer lamps and can use hids im definetly in. hopefully they are one piece.id be willing to pay if the quality is there.

 

Acrylic is still the best material. Despite it's tendency to scratch easily, it has the highest strength in terms of shatter resistance. Lexan, and other plexiglass type plastics shatter too easily. All it would take is one stone at 80mph and you'd lose a headlamp.

 

Really? What is this based upon?

(Not flaming you, I'm genuinely curious)

Are you aware that Lexan is used to make F-18A Hornet canopies that cover and protect our military aviators? Why would the military use Lexan in that sort of an application if it's more prone to shatter than acrylic?

Also, it does seem to be a more expensive material than acrylic and all the major luxury auto manufacturers (MB, BMW, Porsche, Audi, etc., etc.) seem to use it by default on their top of the line vehicles. Why is that? Many of these companies vehicles are engineered to travel on the autobahn at speeds well in excess of 100 mph. It seems odd to me that they would choose a material that was in any way "inferior."

Again, I'm not trying to flame you - if you have some engineering background or can point me to some information that verifies this opinion, I'd really like to be enlightened. This is the first I've heard of Lexan being prone to "shatter." My understanding was quite the opposite about this material, that it is actually extremely shatter-resistant.

Thanks.

 

Hey, I appreciate any opportunity to learn something new...so I in no way feel as though you are flaming me.

In my experience with Lexan, anything thinner than .093 seems to be fairly susceptable to cracking and shattering. The canopies of the jet aircraft perhaps use a much thicker section of Lexan. Or perhaps use a laminate layer that strengthens the section. I have no knowledge of canopies so I'm just guessing here. The lenses of headlamps are pretty thin (I've never actually measured them - but I have handled a few lenses lately), and from what I've seen, acrylic lenses do take a beating from stones and small "highway borne" debris...though they do scratch easily.

I've not done much research about headlamp lenses and if you say that Lexan is superior, and have info to back it up, then I'd be prone to take your word for it. But once again, I've used thin sheets of Lexan for a few projects and when sharper objects strike them, I've seen the material fail by way of brittle fracture...not yield.

I gather from you post that you work for a company that uses plastics for many applications. Do you happen to know the safe operating temperature ranges and heat transfer rates for acrylic and Lexan? Perhaps this is also an issue.

 

Hmmm. . . interesting. Nope, on the first part - I'm just a layperson with a million different questions on a thousand different topics concerening minutiae that interests few others than my own self. I know just enough about a variety of topics to be controversial, but not enough about any one to be called an expert. At the end of the day, I'm still usually left scratching my head. . .



(When I have time, I'll do a little research on this lexan vs. acrylic 'bidniz)

Cheers,

-K-

 

The canopies on the F-18A Hornets are at least an inch thick. And they use a metallic laminate to coat the lexan against any unusual scratches/hits/etc. Just answering your questions....

 

...a post advertising projector headlamps has evolved into a question concerning plastics and F-18 canopies.

How do they make the canopies translucent if there is a laminated metallic layer?

 

Hey,
Just thought I'd put my two cents in regarding plastics. Firstly, Acrylic is a type of plastic which certain brand names fall under including, but not limited to, Lexan, Lucite and, believe it or not, Plexiglass. Lexan is produced by General Electric. The General Electric web site lists at least a dozen different types of Lexan sheets and films which have different characteristics to include impact resistance. I've never worked on an F-18 but speaking from personal experience (F-16, F-15, A-4, T-38), Aircraft canopies don't vary a whole lot in basic design. The F-15 canopy is an acrylic structure formed out of .350" sheet. The F-16 has a coating that i'm sure is similiar to the aforementioned F-18 coating. You're not likely to see it on anybodys cars in the foreseeable future. I personally think it's a good idea to use whatever is used on the luxury cars provided it's cost efficient. The car manufacturers have obviously done their own research and have chosen accordingly.

 

Amen.

 

In my experience with Lexan, which is limited to say the least, I was told it is more scratch resistant than plexi and I was also told it was bulletproof. Now, I do not know what grade or thickness you need in order for it to be bulletproof, but that was the selling point my buddy got when he bought 1" thick Lexan for a sub box applilcation many years ago. Again, my knowledge is limited, I only know what I was told.

 

Whatever is cheapest, will probably be what is chosen for the lens when these projectors do come out. The best thing to do then will be to add a protective film similar to the stuff you can get from:

Clicky

 

I am in but like everyone else here I would like a pic of one installed on a Max first. Hopefully something more like the Beamers

Any new info on an availability date?

 

What do you think?

 

 

1 piece!
1 piece!

 

 

My version of the BMW light to the right a 1 piece
the left with factory corner.

 

Could you photoshop those lamps on a black 4th Gen, two piece without the eyelids?

Thanks
AL

 

OK let me see if I have a good front pic of a black max.