Just got back to work after the dyno test. First run in 3rd gear resulted in 204.5fwhp and 219.7fwtq. Second run in 4th gear showed 203.7fwhp and 224.3fwtq.
I'll be faxing these out shortly.

Lonz

2k2 SE 6-spd
bone stock, but not for long...

 

the 4th gear dyno is the one we are looking for thanks and if you need the fax number email me at steve@frankencar.com

 

the new Z dyno'ed at 228-235 hp at the wheels on stillen day. You guys are right about these "magic" numbers. Z and g35 coupe have only a 7hp and 4lb torque difference, maxima and altima have 15 hp difference, but same torque... and these four all have the same engines in some other lines of nissan cars. I can smell the B.S. from miles away

I don't have a 2k2 steve, but i'd be willing to cough up a contribution to the "sue nissan fund"

 

What the hell do the french have to do with this? I find that remark insulting and shows a great lack of maturity.

Grow up...

 

the Z numbers aren't as mad as ours are, for a RWD car with a standard it's about 18% loss, so 287*.82=235.34 so those with 235 are actually pretty on the money, i've seen them coming back at 228 also, but as big a difference as ours, we have consistent DOUBLE digit differences from where it should be.

 

and i just noticed that it got stickied y2kevse

 

You all should contact the same attorney listed in the Ford case. There is a link and number at the end of the article.

 

You can find locations of DynoJets here.

 

http://www.altimas.net/forum/showthr...threadid=69400

i've both our altima brothers helping us out.

 

To address what some people said before, if this this goes through, it's not like Nissan is going to take our Maximas and add hp to it. Likewise, as far as the mpg issue, they're not going to take our cars and magically improve the mpg!

What we are seeking here is for some kind of reparations for these cars that we have already purchased, because they are not as advertised. This could come in the form of monetary refund, extended warranty, etc...

It seems like alot of people are missing the point here.

 

well it's very unlikely that nissan will up the horse power through some modification, it could happen. they could easily get 15 more hp from a revised intake manifold but it would be very expensive to do, few hundred bucks each manifold plus install time. but less expensive then a 5.88% refund (which is the % of hp we are missing) that's around 1500 bucks each. we'll just see what happens and go from there. i'd rather the money myself, but we'll see.

 

I agree, it could be done. I was just thinking that a massive recall like sems unlikely. It would probably be more expensive and inconvenient for them than a straightforward refund or extended warranty. In any case, we're getting way ahead of ourselves anyways. I'm hoping that other people in this thread get you their info. and don't just whine about this problem.

I have a 2K2 6speed with a best 4th gear Dyno run of 206.4 HP & 223.3 TQ. I have already emailed Steve with the specifics.

 

That guy Bobby seemed pretty helpful

 

http://www.newtiburon.com/yabbse/ind...g98387msg98387
My girlfriend found this thread for me, it's from newtiburon.com and talks about some of the problems/solutions that they have had to deal with.

 

so much for our "brothers" being helpful

 

EXTENDED WARANTEE?! great..so now i'll have EXTENDED SH*T SERVICE....no thanks..money back is fine

 

Don't mind those guys. I'll try and see what I can do. I know a couple of guys that have dyno'ed their 3.5SE's.

 

i have a 2k1 i30 which is advertised as having 227 hp (+5 hp over 00-01 max due to "downward exhaust tip") and a 4th gen still can keep up with me... i def want to be a part of this "revolt" if i can lol

 

what the heck... that guy RY over at altimas.net dynoed his stock AUTO with 204 hp to the wheels.

 

Are we really sure it would be easy to get a full 15 hp just from a revised intake manifold? If so, it seems like the aftermarket companies would have already capitalized on this by now. They haven't as far as I know. This would mean that the stock manifold is a significant bottleneck and poorly engineered. Go figure that mine makes ticking noises. Anyways, I'd be just as happy if someone else would make a new manifold for the Maxima, and Nissan could foot the bill.

 

And my Maxima that is rated at 15 hp more dynoed 10 hp less. I wonder how accurate these dyno's really are.

 

It's rated 15 hp more at the crank but may very well equate to 10hp less at the wheels.

 

Are you saying the Maxima's have more drive train loss? There is a difference somewhere if he dynoed 10 hp more.

Was his car really stock? Some guys tend to say stock even though they have done little things. Like just removing the air filter will give us a higher reading. If the standards dyno 3% more that is still not 10 hp.

 

Looked on their site, couldn't find a list of dealers? Anyone know of one in Houston?

Thanks

 

http://www.dynojet.com/lauto.shtml there ya go

and larry he prolly took his air filter out or something those numbers are very high for a stock auto. the dynoes i've been getting have all been pretty consistent within like 4hp of each other so they are accurate.

 

Hey, if you're doing one can you wait until the Dyno meet? With the number of people coming it'll probably only cost each one $50 or so for 3 runs. Check out the Midwest forums for details.

 

I'd like to see Nissan get kicked in the nuts (I have my reasons)...

I think that you should stop mentioning Altima's though because then Nissan can easily proove that the Altima's are underrated and you'll have a weaker case.

Just go off of your dynos - play with the numbers, forget the Altimas.

Steve wouldn't it be nice if Nissan bought back your Maxima next spring or so right before you pick up the G35c

 

Not my dyno. It was Sting2112's.

 

sorry about the confusion. Is he auto?

 

I did some searching up front in sales and found some old sales booklets titled "Selling Maxima." For both the 2002 and 2003 books they specifically state the HP at 260 (2002) and 255 (2003) and both books emphasise the HP numbers throughout the sales pitch process . I personally feel slighted.

Lonz

 

about the hp issue, before they released the maxima they said 260hp but before it hit dealerships they lowered it 255 and yes they used thhat as a HUGE marketing push for the car.

and the dynoes that we need more of are: 2k2-2k3Autos 2k3 6-spd. i don't think i have any 2k3 dynoes are all i just talked to the lawyer and he'd like to have at least one of each tranny for those years and i'd also like at least one or more stock 2k2 auto dynoes. thanks in advance for you help guys.

and i'm not worried about comparing it to the altima, i am currently searching for an automotive engineer and so is the lawyer that will testify to the fact that vehicles lose about 15% to the wheels on a FWD standard and 18% on a FWD auto. once we prove that and then show the hp are the same between the altima and maxima we will have nissan against a rock and a hard place. also i mentioned to him that a dyno technician would also be a good person to help us out because they see cars all day long and know the amounts of hp that are lost from personal experience. again things are going very well, he sounds very optimistic and he's talking to people about starting to get together paperwork to file the suit, he also asked me if i would like to be the representative for the suit and i said of course. what he would also like is another rep from the Pennsyvlania Area, where he is located. so anyone with a 2k2-2k3 that would like to be a rep please contact me and i will give you his information so you can call him and you will probablly have to get your car dynoed and hopefully you are also stock. it's going good guys.

and i'm not getting a G35c prolly. i got into another minor accident last night, i bent a rim, popped two tires, scraped by rear quarter. i already ordered a new rim and had one tire fixed and i'll worry about the body wokr on monday it's very minor. but it was from my own carelessness and trying to show off and i've decided it would be best for me at this point in my life to get an SUV, i need the storage to move parts around for frankencar anyway and i figure it will help to slow me down, i don't want to hurt myself or others.

 

Yup.

 

got a stock 2k2 SE auto.. will get it dynoed as soon as i get the dough for it

 

I've got a 2k3 Max SE. Only 2500 miles. What can I do to help? I want what I paid for damnit.

 

Hey, maybe the attorney would like to pursue this as a class action suit? If you need more 2K2 6sp dynos, I'll drive the 75 miles to Memphis and get some stats.

Buzz

 

thanks for the offer, we do plan on doing this as a class action suit but there still needs to be representatives and i would be one of them, sr20 expressed an interest also.

and what we really need are automatics dynoes and some 2k3, we have tons of 2k2 6-spd ones, so it's not necessary right now to have you go dyno but if we need more i will let everyone know.

 

Steve, you might already have these, but just in case:
http://www.greghome.com/Greg's%20Gar...jetResults.htm

Greg's STOCK 6spd:
Dyno#1

Dyno#2

Dyno#3


After UDP:
UDP Dyno#1

 

Count me in on this action.

 

Check the thread over on Altimas.net. I did some searching on our board.

 

Ry, i personally appreciate the help man

Steve, i'll get a more authentic sheet out to you hopefully by next week.