im sorry, that question was too easy, that's why i replied the way it was, if you read anything on the thread, sorry for the flame, VQ you are a "*****"

 

my wife says the same thing...

-vq

 

So what's the latest on this issue guys? It seems like the last few posts have been a tad OT, so I'm not sure where we stand.

Have any dynos been performed recently? The lawyer that was interested in this case--what's the status with him? Anyone able to get a word from Nissan Corp. about this issue?

I'd just like an update on the matter.

Thanks.

 

we don't want a word from nissan corp right now, for the second time, and also we're working on getting someone to do an out of car engine dyno, please contact steve if you're interested

 

my dyno was 204HP and 219TQ -- 6 speed manny tranny in 4th gear

but that was at the wheels, they want (need) a dyno on an engine taken out of a car...we need a volunteer. I told them i'd do it for $500 and an unconditional waranty, they just laughed....

-vq

 

I've put some thought into the lawsuit issue, and it won't work. If you can prove that Nissans manual transmission is indeed as efficient as most other manual transmissions, only then can you actually prove it. They can just say that the Altima is underrated, and the Maxima numbers are dead on, and the low dyno numbers are simply due to an inefficent manual transmission. The automatic transmission numbers are just about right with drivetrain losses, so if indeed the Altima was underrated, then the numbers being equal means nothing, same goes for the manual transmissions.

 

didn't i say all along this wouldn't get anywhere? can anyone prove that nissan makes an efficient tranny? is anyone willing to stand up and get a crank dyno?

 

yeah well you can think all you want................

 

is it my opinion or is it a point of fact that this hasn't gotten anywhere? If it has indeed progressed beyond chitter chatter and someone has actually done something then please let me in on it.

 

'yes that actually have gotten somewhere we have already consulted a lawyer and he has contacted several automotive engineers as well as other people in the law proffession for advice. currently all we need is a 2002 maxima in the philly area to let us pull the engine and do a dyno on the actual engine and then we will present the suit to nissan and hope for a speedy resolution. so it has done much farther then chitt chatter and nissan will have to answer for all this.

 

How are we looking on getting an engine pull up in the Philly area?

Do we have good candidates and are we close to completing this final step in our progress?

Thanks,

 

I wish I was in the Philly area. I would let you pull my little 194.1 hp engine without quite the stipulations of VQMAN. I might ask that you put it back together correctly but you wouldn't have to pay me $500 or give me an unconditional warranty.

 

Of course Linh would have known all of this if he bothered to read this thread.

 

I have a question for anyone who can answer it. Does anyone know if torque and HP are affected by how the car was broken in? Also, has anyone dynoed with a new air filter right out of the box (or does that not make a difference?)? And what type of fuel? And are any of these important to how an engine will perform?

 

How about finding a junkyard that would be willing to cooperate and allow a salvaged engine to be dyno'd. I did a search on car-part.com and found several 2002/2003 Maxima AND Altima engines...

2002
Engine
Nissan Maxima
4DR, GLE, 6CYL, AOD, AC,LKS GD
24566M $Call
Al's Auto Parts, Inc. USA-PA(Trevose) E-mail 1-888-396-2199

2002
Engine
Nissan Maxima
-!CK C!-3.5L,6Spd-SE,BLK,4DSDN,9/01-OFF&
2H2358 $Call
Aumiller's Auto Parts, Inc. USA-PA(Halifax) E-mail 1-800-692-7463

 

Hey Maxse2k, are these engines in perfect condition since theyve have been in wrecs, and what do you mean cooperate? Free you mean, or maybe theyll let us rent it. I think that might be hard for us because theyll maybe make us buy it. I think its a good idea, if someone maybe has the hookup on a junkyard, that would be nice. Also do you think we should syno the altima engine to compare it with the dynoed Max engine? Thanks.

 

in theory it's a good idea, but if it's at a junkyard, it probably means it's been in a wreck, which if it was, and we happened to dyno at 240, they could say it could be because the engine was damaged from the previous accident

 

I'm thinking that this is an opportunity to get both engines on a dyno and really compare the two. If they prove to be the same then we're golden. As far as the argument about being damaged... I'll give my VIN, or one off the local dealers' lot.

I doubt the junk yards would complain about parting with the units for a day or so while we perform the tests.

 

It's the law man, you can't just lie about it, it has to be a detailed explanation, where you got teh vehicle, whose it is, miles, blah blah blah

 

Fine, take pics of the car @ the junkyard, show that the front had zero front damage, and dyno the engine... We don't need to hide anything.

 

wow...I can't believe he suggested putting someone else's VIN on the report!

but if we can find one in good condition, where the engine didn't get damaged...this would be great! no?

Photos's could be taken of the wrecked car's condition, and the engine compartment, it would have to be obvious that there was no engine damage...

-vq

 

well what you suggested would be fraud, and would be very dishonest and would put you in jail, it wasn't a good idea so i'm not going to tell u it was.....haha im not that worried about it though

 

I think we need all the ideas we can get along with positive and negative comments/feedbacks about the ideas. I do agree there would be an issue with a engine that has been in a wrecked vehicle. I think that the best idea would have to be someone to just let their engine to be pulled.. And we need a volunteer that will take one for the so called "team." I dont know if we got a junk yard engine if it will be fraud, we could more likely claim research and as long as we use the Vin we are not lying. But as someone said, i think they might claim because it has been in a wreck. Hey, Johnvt, how many engines do you think we need to have for our test results/proof to be conclusive?

 

Hey guys

I'm considering buying a 2002 or 2003 Max, and read your thread. I sent Nissan an email asking them about this and the following is what they replied.
================================================== ====================
Dear Mr. Rickey,

Thank you for contacting Nissan North America, Inc. and allowing us the
opportunity to be of assistance.

We appreciate your time and concern in contacting us. Nissan's VQ-series
engines has been selected by Ward's Automotive as one of its "Ten Best
Engines" for seven years running. It is an extremely versatile engine used
in numerous Nissan models, including the Altima, Maxima, 350Z, Pathfinder
and all-new Murano. Nissan's horsepower claims are based on factory
dynamometer testing that measures power output at the crank. Dynamometer
testing that measures power at the wheels will result in lower horsepower
numbers due to normal driveline loss and wheel slipage. Regardless, the VQ
engine is tuned specifically for each model application, and horsepower for
each model application varies based upon numerous engineering factors. In
the Maxima and Altima, the most significant differences affecting horsepower
are the vehicles' intake, exhaust and electronic control modules (ECM). Due
to these equipment and tuning differences, Nissan's testing indicates that
the 2002 Altima develops 15 less horsepower than the 2002 Maxima. You may
be interested in looking at the March 2002 issue of Sport Compact Car which
includes results of their independent dyno testing (at the wheels) of the VQ
engine in both the 2002 Altima and 2002 Maxima. You will note that their
testing confirms the difference in horsepower developed by the engine in the
two different applications.

If you have any further questions or comments, please feel free to e-mail
us.

Sincerely,

Latrice
National Consumer Affairs

================================================== ===================
Any thoughts ???

 

Hey guys,

Give it a rest, its coming up to six months. You are NOT going to get anything out of this....NOT even an acknowledgement. Let it go and enjoy your vehicles. The ONLY thing that seems to be progressing is the length of this thread.

If anything is going on, maybe the individual in contact with lawyer should provide updates in a new thread and no one ELSE should be able to post to that thread. No one wants to read through the mindless speculation and cat fights. We just want the facts.

 

i think we have all the ideas we need, things are going fine.....don't worry about anything, if there is something we need, we'll ask....thank you though

 

Damn, I think you havent kept up with this thread. That was a very stupid thing to do. We are trying to keep it kinda on a downlow. Now, i think you will get hounded. I might be wrong. But you will get hounded. Damn that was stupid.

 

john, check your private messages...i just sent you one..
-vq

 

If I am correct, nissan maxima's twin is the infiniti I35... right? Has anyone heard the 0-60 time for that car? Do both these cars have same engines? Does anyone know any kind of missing HP issues these guys have? you might think its off topic, but this car is called the maxima in Canada.... So... maybe this might help us a little.

 

I thought it was called the infinity I 35 everywhere.....haha

 

in the middle east it's called the Maxima...but check out the front end...looks like an I35

www.nissan-me.com

and for the record, the I35 has the same 255hp 246TQ engine...the same internals, the same everything. The I35's interior is a bit more plush and the dealer's service is WAY better. But if John and his lawyer buddy have done their homework, they would know that the I35 would/should be included. The I35 is an identical twin to the Maxima (under the hood).

-vq

 

thanks............

 

ya that's exactly what i was thinkign as i read his post. we are trying to keep this very d/l. what do peopel expect nissan to do, agree with them??? grrrrrr.

 

Finally!!! Thanks dmbmaxima2k2, I am glad someone read my post.... I think it was a dumb idea for this to email nissan.. even nissan being nissan gave a dumb reply... Also, someone needs to check out the I35 forums to see if they are having any of our issues...

 

Wow.. I'm surprised to this thread up to more than 30 pages

I noticed for 2003 the Altima is rated at 245 hp now. Is Nissan just making these numbers up based on the competition? They wanted to be one step ahead of the Accord it seems. I don't think anyone should be sueing for their "lost" 15 horsepower that the mMxima should have over the Altima, but instead what about Nissan basing it's numbers on the competitors?

Any insight on this?

 

It's not the lost 15 hp it should have over the altima, it's 15 less h/p they said they'd have period............another great post by someone who doesn't know

 

so when is Steve going to delete this thread, and sticky a new one that only allows certain people to give official updates?

-vq

 

I think Vqs go a good point. Seriously, someone needs to delete this thread, I think people who have kept uo should know what to do know. And I think like someone said, this thread is 30 pages+ and no newbie is going to read it all, so I think they might make this situation worse like emailing Nissan.

 

Seriously, you guys need to chill about trying to keep this on such a DL. The point is if Maximas don't have the HP that they were advertised to have, then that's what it boils down to. Even if you kept this on such a DL that Nissan didn't know about our plans on suing them for this, and you were to bring a claim, it's not like you'd be in court the following day making arguments in front of a judge. Instead, you'd file a claim, Nissan would obviously see it, and there would be a LONG time before any of this goes to court (if it drags on this long). The point here is that Nissan will have plenty of time to come up with reasons why Maximas don't dyno to the right numbers.

If someone contacts them right now on an individual basis, it's not like Nissan will have a bigger advantage if this were to go to court. Regardless, they'll have time to come up with a defense, that's what lawyers are for. I don't think the guy that emailed them should be badgered like this, and you guys need to relax if people occasionally ask what's the update. Reading all of 30 pages or so is a little time consuming, and daunting.

My $.02

 

Its not that we are badgering the guy, its that we are trying to prevent it from happening again. And VqMan brought up that point where there should be a thread that only gives updates as it comes so people need not to ask because whatever is available will be there... nothing more, nothing less.