Dave B

Russ-

4DSC ran a 14.93 stock and a 14.8X with an intake. Sprung ran a 14.89 stock. MadMax ran a 14.78 with a y-pipe and intake. Not until last weekend did he best that et with a 14.38 with a extremely nice 2.1 60 foot. Don't forget that all these guys are also running on sea level tracks. There are just as many 4th gens hitting 15.0 stock as there are 5th gens hitting 14.9s. This proves my point that the 5th gen is not significantly quicker than the 4th gen. I said that the stock 5th gen is slightly quicker than a stock 4th gen. You've proved my point. However when you open up the 4th gen, it is gonna respond slightly better to mods (especially the 95/96). All bets are off and both cars are equally matched in a drag race. Calm down, I know how you like to believe that the model car you're going to get is ALWAYS gonna be the fastest, but I'm not knocking the 5th gen so don't take it personally.


Dave

RussMaxManiac

This part you said below you are defintely wrong. The 5th gens RESPOND better to mods. No ifs about it. That was DYNO proven. I don't see a 5th gen gaining 20hp from a ypipe, or 15 from a CAI. I had a 4th gen, it never gained that much with those mods. I ran my 4th gen with mods and it would only get down to 15.4 at 92 mph. But anyways, MY .02 CENT

madmax2k

My 5th gen didnt get anywhere near those gains with the 2 mods I have. I only saw 12 wheel hp gain from both, with the possibility of picking up more of a gain at speed.

madmax2k

Hey...that was a 14.75 Dave! LOL

Mad Max would run 14.7's in vicious southern heat. I didnt get my best time until the weather cooled down some to more reasonable levels and the track actually had some VHT on it

Lets put this 4th gen vs. 5th gen battle to bed. I call it a draw

2Maxed-out4u

So your saying that your 4th generation auto , beat his 5th generation stick . I can't see that happening with a stick because manuals give more horsepower to thier tires than autos. Something must have been wrong here.

[i] A manual is always faster than an automatic of the same caliber [i] Fact , right?

So how in the world can a 4 th generation auto with maybe 210 hp's at the most with mods beat a 5th generation manual with at least 230 horsepowers with an intake? He must have been a mediocre driver, bald tires, or you had a 20 ft head start. A competent 5th generation driver with a stick can beat 4th generation auto anyday. That's the bottom line.!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave B

Russ, Russ, Russ.....you never dynoed your 4th gen before and after with the y-pipe and intake. How do you know it didn't respond that well to the mods? Your 4th gen only ran a 15.4@92mph? That sounds like poor driving or a bad track surface. 92mph traps indicate fairly easy upper 14s (no flame intended, my driving isn't great when looking at my times). What did your 5th gen auto run? A 15.8@88mph or something with a y-pipe and intake? Hmmmmm......My car only made 176fwhp and 193fwtq with a B-pipe, RT cat, Y-pipe, and intake, but I'm still able to pull some very strong mphs (94-96+mph). My 4th gen isn't making near the hp some people have made with thier 4th gens and the same mods, but somehow I'm running a bit quicker than they are. Point is, don't place a lot of faith in dyno numbers. They don't always speak the truth (ie they aren't always accurate).

To everyone-
I like 3rd, 4th, and 5th generations. Please don't take any of my comments as flames towards the 5th gen. That's not my point.

Dave

Y2KevSE

iTrader: (13)

Doh! Didn't see the GLE in his sig.

RussMaxManiac

Did you get a base dyno first stock then put those on and dyno again? I did. And I have proof

RussMaxManiac

It ran 15.8 but the MPH was higher. I don't recall exactly what though. No I never dynoed the 4th gen with those mods. And yes the track sucked. It was at our old track and I could never hook up, since they never took care of it. Over 50 yr old track with holes, etc at the beginning... lol.

madmax2k

Sure did.

Heres stock vs. Y-Pipe and CAI:

RussMaxManiac

That doesn't make sense why mine gained so much. Does yours have federal emissions or calif? Mine was fed....and a auto.

madmax2k

Mines a 2000 SE 5 speed with Federal emissions.

I am pleased with the gains given by these two mods. I didnt expect much more. (OK,OK...I was hoping it might be closer to a 15 gain.....But, Ill take 12.)

I also think that at speed the intake may add a bit more power than can be shown on a dyno which is not equipped with massive fans (the one I go isnt).

madmax2k

RUSS2KSE-

Did you dyno your car at the same dyno both times? Were the dynos done within a reasonable amount of time of each other? Were both runs corrected to SAE standard conditions? Were ambient conditions similar for both runs? Did you change wheels/tires between runs?

I am not trying to deny your 21 hp claim. I believe that those are the actual results youve gotten. I am curious as how as I wouldnt mind picking up the extra 9 hp!