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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 08:17 PM
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Alittle off topic, but is their any ecu's(not JET) for the 00-01 max's. thinking about cams but need to be able to get reprogramed ecu first. Search yielded nothing recent that I could find.
Old Sep 23, 2003 | 08:24 PM
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hey guys-

wow. so much action in only a few hours after post..

lemme try to clear up some things..


1. 2003/04 share a simliar ECU structure-- they're on a Flash type ROM that is easily accessable ala OBD2 port in which a new program can be uploaded over writing the old program.

2. 2002 model year, i would assume is the same structure VQ35DE as the 03's. SR20DEN stated that he had / or could get a spare 02 ECU to send in to try, and im pretty sure the same type of modifications to the programming can be done- as soon as we have an 02 ecu, then we can figure it out--that is the only way they can verify if the 03s are the same as the 02s.... i know for a fact the 04s are fully changeable...

3. PRICING. now this has been a battle for a long time. i faced it with the 95/96 ecus. the 350z/G35C ecus, and now this... You can find $200 ecus on the market, but then you have to realize what they do and which cars they are for. although i hate to do it, but it comes down to this 'honda' mentality of where you have a car, and there are 100000 parts for it, and companies vie to get your business by having cheap mods that do less and cost less just so you can say, you have it. Technosquare ECUs arent like JET. they actually DO something. Nissans are a rare breed of car and you know the aftermarket for the cars are limited and it takes talented people to do this type of R&D to get ECUs for our cars out. prime example: from Feb 03->May 03, technosquare had my 350z and broke the code on that to get the ECU out. which lead the way for the newer Nissan ECUs (aka G35 etc...) it takes time, and the technical know-how to do it. Each car is NOT identical, and they have their own nooks n crannies to be figured out, and as a result, certain functions of the ECU are discovered and exploited. You're paying for the overall driveablility of the car, and not just peak HP gains.. its the overall gains you have to look at and what this ECU can do compared to just a piggy pack like the AFC or Emanage... can they adjust timing/throttle/variable timing switch over/ and more all in one unit? Maybe the Emanage comes close, but that has yet to be proven effective on a VQ35... or proven to work period. all i am saying is, market value drives the price, and the retail price of the ECU is fairly set.... also its to help pay for R&D costs as well... Jim Wolf even uses the same flash reporogramming device that Technos (produced by Techtom Japan) uses since they bought it from them for the new Gs/Zs...

4. This also means, those 5th genners who have their new custom turbo setups can also get their ecu tuned for boost and run bigger injectors.. and if you are running WET NOS setups, those can be tuned as well-- ... there are no SWITCHABLE maps, unfortunately, since there are no phyiscal daughter boards added.... and the Eprom doesnt have enough ram to have two programs on board-- that might be something worth looking into. but again. that takes alot more time--

5. the only way us as a maxima community can get these things out, is for each other to help out companies like TechnoSquare-- i've been trying to gather support and rally people to send in their ECUs but everyone has their own agendas and im pretty sure everyone is a little bit scared of what might happen, but if no one does it. no one can benefit--... I'm pretty sure there are differences in the 03 auto versus 03 manual and 02 auto vs 02 manuals... we just need people to help out--

if you guys want to do more, i can only do so much my self--- step up!

email technosquare directly and inquire of what they can do to help the 5th and 6th gen Max's --

TechnoSquare Inc.
310-787-0847
Danny Lee
Danny@atagan.com


just if u guys want it bad enuf-- strive for it and help out--


email me if u got ?s


ChestonCChiu@hotmail.com


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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 08:31 PM
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Thanks again Cheston. I'll call Danny tomorrow and get a spare '02 ECU ordered to ship to them.
Old Sep 23, 2003 | 08:52 PM
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Hey cheston is there any progress on the ones for the 6th gen maxima?? This sounds like a great thing.
Old Sep 23, 2003 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chebosto
3. PRICING. now this has been a battle for a long time.
(just kidding!!) Seriously, I don't think price is really going to be an issue. They decide on a price and people either pay it or don't. If they think it's too much those threads will get locked just like JET threads do now. Technosquare's other prices are between $500 and $700 and that's not unreasonable for >20hp (IMO). They are providing something we've been wanting for a long time, and if people aren't willing to pay, too bad for them. T/S did the work, they get to set the price.
5. the only way us as a maxima community can get these things out, is for each other to help out companies like TechnoSquare--if you guys want to do more, i can only do so much my self--- step up!

email technosquare directly and inquire of what they can do to help the 5th and 6th gen Max's --
I hadn't emailed them already because I didn't know if it'd be a good idea to do it yet...didn't know how 'public' they wanted to be before it was made official on their website. They'll have an email in the morning, trust me

And I don't know you or them or your relationship with technosquare, but thanks to both of you for this work.


edit: technical questions...

Is the 2Kx ECU soldered or can it be easily removed?

Is this the kind of thing that if I can get my hands on an '02 ECU (and I think I can) that I can send it to them to flash, then have them send it to me to install by myself?

how much is a 2k2 ECU?

again, thanks.
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 12:13 AM
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ecus are clipped into the car via ecu harness.. they are not, persay. like a mod chip to a playstation that is soldered.. its more like a big harddrive case looking thing under the center dash or near the passenger foot well-- it is easily assessible-- if you have the field service manual *cough* *cough* does any one have that on cd *cough*


2k2 ecu? bone yard might have it for $150 to $400 depends who is trying to rip you off--
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 12:22 AM
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No actually price is an issue. If you want to compare, getting an ECU job on a VW costs you as low as 300$ and gains are twice (model dependant, includes transmission shift changes and selectable modes) what you get on a max. so price efficient... i think not.

Being that a car is rare really shouldn't matter. If you want to bleed the few people who will actually buy than cool. But thing is, it will be a rare car to mod if mods run you in the 1000s.

And let me get the insult to injury part out.. its not ever going to be available for the 00-01 right?

T/S did the work, they get to set the price.
by that logic your cable company should be charging you 400$ a month and you would pay it because they provide the service and built the network?

ok i am done ranting now. if you want to flame.. well look below..

http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=56|B5&type=11&ltype=ns_eur o&p_id=107
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 12:59 AM
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VW's arent hard to chip, ther really arent all that encrypted, and can be reprogrammed via a VAG-COM (vw/audi version of consult II). Nissans are an altogether different breed.

I believe they are programmed in hex and heavily encrypted. Also it has to be done section by section. You cant just swap a few lines of code and its done. They have to change code in each section, see what happens, then take the appropriate action (whether it be change the code again or restore it or move on to the next section). Nissan seems pretty adamant about us not messin with the ECU. Either way, 595 isnt a bad price. A buddy of mine bought a chip for his 88 325is, $1150 installed. It gained all of 3hp in the midrange area, and like 1-2 in the upper end of the RPM band. Hardly worth it.

VW/Audi builds their engines VERY resrticted. So, a little tuning goes a long way. Nissan, on the other hand, does not. Therefore we have to work harder to get HP and TQ #s. Also, if you had read closely, that is for a TURBO engine. All u gotta do to get more power is turn up the boost and pump a lil more fuel. I emailed them, and the v6 passat only gained 7-10 whp from the chip.

.......I think so
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 01:02 AM
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Chebosto: I have the E-Manage, and I managed to gain ~10whp (modded) from it. I never experienced the so called ECU compensation. The only way to gain and keep it is to use the software and a laptop, plus some thorough dyno tuning. Another member ( i will not mention his name) got me interested in it, and he to has made similar gains and kept them.
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VW's arent hard to chip, ther really arent all that encrypted, and can be reprogrammed via a VAG-COM (vw/audi version of consult II). Nissans are an altogether different breed.

A buddy of mine bought a chip for his 88 325is, $1150 installed. It gained all of 3hp in the midrange area, and like 1-2 in the upper end of the RPM band. Hardly worth it.

VW/Audi builds their engines VERY resrticted. So, a little tuning goes a long way. Nissan, on the other hand, does not. Therefore we have to work harder to get HP and TQ #s. Also, if you had read closely, that is for a TURBO engine. All u gotta do to get more power is turn up the boost and pump a lil more fuel. I emailed them, and the v6 passat only gained 7-10 whp from the chip.

.......I think so
your friend needs help. serious one at that too. now, if you read closely you will notice i said 'model dependant' and pointed the turbo as hp for the buck. ie very cost efficient. null.

7-10whp? mmk. whatever .. emailed who? anyway unimportnat and invalid. Edit: it costs under 200$ which is my ENTIRE point.

vw does not build the engines restrictive. makes no sense even as a stand alone statement. you mean *software tunes* them modestly. null

please explain to me how do you change ECU settings with a VAG-COM. would appreciate it a lot. null
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilRoadsVictim
No actually price is an issue. If you want to compare, getting an ECU job on a VW costs you as low as 300$ and gains are twice (model dependant, includes transmission shift changes and selectable modes) what you get on a max. so price efficient... i think not.
Show me the VW aftermarket chip that adds 40hp to the wheels to a normally aspirated engine (in support of your outrageous: "adds 2x the power for less money" claim). Your comparison is hopelessly irrelevant because Turbo applications are MUCH easier to get gains out of.

Ultimately, your bantering about price and your praise of the VW aftermarket is pretty-much irrelevant. If you don't want to pay the price, then don't. If you don't like the costs associated with buying the chip, then sell your Max and go buy a VW. No one's FORCING you to own a Maxima, and no one's FORCING you to buy the Technosquare chip. Personally, I'll put my order in not long after they're available for the Altima (just ordered headers yesterday so I've got to play it cool for a bit).
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 05:40 AM
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I did some more research into your precious VW aftermarket. Here's their engine mgt solution for Golf VR6, a normally aspirated V6 engine which is a better comparison to the VQ:

http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=34|G4&type=11&ltype=ns_eur o&p_id=115

Price:199.99
Gain:5-7HP

So, being optimistic, that's about $28.43 per hp. The Technosquare ECU upgrade is $28.33 per hp. I'm a little confused by this newfangled math, so someone help me out here. Where's this supposedly huge VW aftermarket cost advantage?
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 06:28 AM
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EvilRoadsVictim:

Q:7-10whp

A: yes. If you'd like, i will fax you the dynographs. And if you arent satisfied, you can call the place where we did the tuning, and they will confirm my results.

Q:"you mean *software tunes* them modestly":
A: Correct

Q:emailed who
A: info@neuspeed.com

Q: please explain to me how do you change ECU settings with a VAG-COM. would appreciate it a lot

A: I dont own a VW or a Vag-Com, so I dont know how. I have heard of people doins somethin like this, but never physiclally seen it.
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilRoadsVictim
No actually price is an issue.
then don't buy it.
by that logic your cable company should be charging you 400$ a month and you would pay it because they provide the service and built the network?
if it weren't for regulation and competition, trust me THEY WOULD! All the other ECUs technosquare has done are all in the $500-$700 range and I don't think that's unreasonable *IF* it really does yield 13-25hp.

short story, if you don't like the price don't buy it ... why are we having this discussion?

more questions...

1. will it be the kind of thing I pop in and it just works, or will there be any testing/tuning needed after I install it?

2. I can't be without my car for a few days so can I mail them an ECU and have them flash it and mail it back?
or
3. are they going to mail me something? Like I said, I can't be without my car while they're working on the ECU so I'd really like to "buy a spare" and swap it in if it's possible.

4. can someone post a picture of the ECU? I'd like to see exactly what it looks like in the car so I can find it.

thanks,
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 07:16 AM
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Cheston,

I was planning on posting a thread about this today and wholla here one is. After seeing a link to TECHNOSQUARE in another thread I had several questions and now after reading this one some are answered and a few more were raised. Some of these questions you may or may not be able to answer. If you can't do you recommend I email or call TECHNOSQUARE?

1. Is this a send in your ecu and TECHNOSQUARE re-flashes it and sends it back type of mod? If so will their reprogramming be dependant on the current mods you have on the car? Then if you add something new you'll need to get another flash?

2. On their web page they say they can store the original data from your ecu to another ecu. Can this data be stored in a file on a disk then if needed you could revert back, just like a bios file for a computer?

3. Also on the web page they have a link to Techtom products. Can an individual buy the Techtom FLASH ECU REPROGRAMMING SYSTEM and do their own flashes with either files supplied buy TECHNOSQUARE or ones modified buy the user/shop? I would assume this would involve some type of software that would need to be installed on a PC/laptop. It appears it comes with some type of program but doesn't say whether it handles the latest model cars, Consult II.

If this is possible it would eliminate the need for other components now needed to do tuning that circumvents the ecu. Thus allowing one to do their own tuning in conjunction with other OBD2 data logging setups. Also an all in one product would sure be sweet. i.e. Data logging & ecu flash all in one.

Now that I think of it is there more than one flash chip in the ecu? If you can go in to a dealer and get your timing bumped up or down with a Consult II its not a complete re-flash is it? Just a simple parameter change right?


Thank you!
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Aren't '00 and '01 ECUs flashable? There are TSBs out which involve flashing the ECU (Fuel-cut comes to mind...)
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 07:31 AM
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Sounds great, but will wait for more testing. $600 is a little high but I'd pay if it really proves to be a reliable upgrade that doesn't waste your ECU.
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I cant wait, ive got my checkbook in hand

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This thread reminds me of the stillen headers one. Time will show i suppose. Until then, I have every right to be unhappy about the price of a product there arent even confirmed results on. Since it's all speculation really and preliminary testing, yes, I feel that the here stated price is high. That is my opinion. It doesn't matter if i buy it or not.. if i want to say i find it overpticed, i would do so. There is nothing wrong with that.

Owning two nissans and a vw gives me that right if nothing else.
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a few replies:


EvilRoadsVictim - yes i understand that some companies out there offer ECU upgrades for lower prices than say what JWT and Technos charges (which are competitive pricing) but you're also talking about a different car. German cars have a different architecture on their ECU.. yes they are coded in HEX (as most ecus are) but their data bits are quite straight forward and easily accessible. NIssan likes to embed their values so finding the right one and changing it takes time. If you subsequently change a wrong value, when what? thats why R&D takes a while longer... Same deal with Domestic cars. their ecu structure is very very easy. Hence units like the Hypertech can just plug in and change values on th fly and cost less. Nissan's arent built like honduhs, or VWs, or Audis or Chevys..

Being a car that is rare SHOULD matter. dont shoot yourself on the foot, but do you see many modified maximas other than the ones you see on this forum? not really... having an aftermarket company actively pursue a 'rare' car like our maximas is golden. they know their customer base will not be as large as if they pursued other more popular cars... but we're lucky that Technos is Nissan friendly... if Technos was not here. i'm pretty sure JWT would start selling their ecus higher due to the fact they are the only other ones here that can mod nissan ecus.. competition drives the price in most cases, as well as the quality of the reprogram.

the reason why the 00/01 ECUs are complicated is that nissan was in the process of switching over to the flash memory near the end of the 01 model years. 99,00,01 ecus are all hybrids... they take aritecture from the 4th gen ecus which did not use flash rom and relied heavily on chipsets that stored the memory... so for the 00/01s there are so many different variations in the ECU that trying to get each different version to modify would be a difficult task.. you dont want to be stuck with a version ecu that wont run on your car, right? (i.e. think Versions 3.0a, 3.1c, or something like that )

E55AMG2: thats great that the emanage system 'works' but like you said you had to use a laptop running constantly to keep those values to stay.... but not many people have an additional 1k to blow on a laptop and have it sit shotgun all the time... im just saying that a reprogram of the core ecu in a stand alone unit is often practical, and a good way to go.

maximaman777 --
unfortunately, the only way to have this type of ecu work done, is to send in your ECU, and it is reprogrammed and sent back to you. I'm not quite sure about the new maximas ... but if you have an immobilizer key code, this is the only way you can make sure its your own key will start the car again.. hence the core swapping issue would be quiet difficult.. BUT if the 5 th gen maximas dont have immobilizers. then i dont forsee any problem about getting spare ecus from junk yards and sending those in with a core charge for swappage..

STOCK ecu data, is always stored on harddrive, in the even that someone wants to revert back to the stock program, then yes, you can have your ecu reflashed to stock program....

if you wish to purchase the Techtom programmer, then yes that is possible too. they will train you to modify the ecu by yourself, but the catch is, they will not tell you exactly where the bit codes are to change, since that is the R&D that they took to find the exact locations...


listen, i'm just the messenger- i just so happen to be involved with technos heavily since they helped me with my Z... i'm still a maximadriver- so im lookin out for your interests too... no one is really putting a gun to your head and say "buy this or you will die" this is just like any other mod that people will gauge worth versus cash. i mean, if you want an exhaust, you weigh the pros n cons and go for it right? same deal here with the ecu... its just another step, in the long term goal of getting more power.

i'll list the benefits and downsides here of what i have gone thru:

Pro:

1. Timing Changed (otherwise impossible due to timing chain)
2. A/F optimized for better performance .. leaning out the curve
3. Electronic Throttle Body control, getting 100% WOT
4. Variable Timing control switch over
5. improved gas mileage due to efficent motor running
6. rev limiter raised as a buffer zone to prevent fuel-cut off engine damage
7. overall driveability of car is increased. its more fun, at every RPM band
8. will work even better with other modfications you have.. depending how bad the maxima's stock ecu is in trying to provide feedback values to getting the car back to stock a/f program after sensing changes to
intake and /or other mods.
9. ECU reprogram will NOT SHOW UP on Consult II... no one but you will know that the ECU has been reprogrammed... there is NO DIGITAL ID TAG.


Con:

1. time down due to sending in the ECU for flashing. typically it is three days for entire process. 1 day to take out and fedex to them. 1 day to mod and fedex back. third day receive and install
2. some say cost is an issue, but that is subjective
3. for ultimate optimization, ecu should be tuned for each every car, but typically this only results in +1 or +2 more HP than the regularly sold high-performance fuel mapping...
4. closed loop stock programming is not changed (0->3k) for safety reasons for the engine.. it is due to cold start up to allow the engine to warm up.. and typically, you only need the power when spirited driving, so that means above 3k in the open loop areas, right?


comments? thoughts? be my guest and post

i will return shortly

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Old Sep 24, 2003 | 09:01 AM
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Owning two nissans and a vw gives me that right if nothing else.
Yes you own a nissan BUT NOT THE RIGHT ONE... so why do you care? Owning an '00 means you won't benefit from this, and I think that's your problem. You tipped your hand earlier when you asked "And let me get the insult to injury part out.. its not ever going to be available for the 00-01 right?" I'm ok with this costing $500-$600. If you're not, well, you won't have to worry unless you buy a different car, now, will you? This is like me b!tching about how something on a VW... I don't own one so why do I care?

Also, headers require a lot of fabrication. It wasn't going to get easier unless they tooled up some machines at a significant investment. This... when it's tested and done ONCE (which it seems to be, or at least they seem to be close) all the rest are basically free to them and we're paying for the time, effort, and R&D it took to crack it and the marketing to their distributors. That's a simplification, but it's pretty much correct.

So, be jealous if you want... I already sent my email asking for details
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 09:20 AM
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The ECU big picture, is pretty much all the same. The differences are in a way small, yet large. I suspect the registers have different addressing and then nissan only provides different .dat files to match. Using flash or ROM and some RAM, but nevertheless protected by the same consult II protocol, hence the same magic will work.

Reversing the register's address and what they map to is very time consuming and not easy, it's like wandering around in pitch black, chest high, muddy waters looking for a needle. I'm pretty sure the consult II protocol is the same.

If the Technosphere ppl do not wish to do one for the 2K-2K1 guys they could always throw us a big *** bone and help us with the consult II protocol. The race would be pretty much over at this point.

In this lifetime or the next?
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Old Sep 24, 2003 | 09:29 AM
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Don't make this thread senseless guys

Hey,

Competition breeds price erosion. This is a proven fact in free enterprise. If you don't like the price that TechnoSquare is charging, then wait and save up if you really want it, or don't buy it! Or develop your own and sell it, and see how much it costs in R&D to do it. I would order a new ECU for my Altima and have them program it, and reinstall it, and see the differences but I have two hurdles. 1) It's a leased car 2) It's my only leased car and I have nothing to drive if it's down for a few days/weeks and I drive it for work

Cheston is doing a lot of hard work with this stuff due to the fact that he is quite right, that the support for Nissan tuning (especially with the VQ) is not the competitive market place that it is for Hondas. He is also doing work on getting turbos fabbed for the 350z. He is an avid community enthusiast, and at the very least, give him respect for that. He also has a long log of the research and changes done on his car since the inception of the various projects that he participates in.

If you don't like the tuning possibilities available for your Nissan, by all means trade it in and buy a Turbo Jetta or Golf. Here in Canada a Turbo Jetta is close in price to a V6 Altima. Definitely not worth it. Do the research. Would you kill yourself (by purchasing every bolt-on or electronic add-on) to have the fastest 4 cylinder VW available, to only end up with a mere shadow of the performance you get in your Alty or Max? I don't think so. 10 to 15 fwhp gains are nothing to sneeze at, and in essence, for a "stealth" modification like this (dealerships will never know) you save yourself a lot of hassle with your stealership service dep't.

I applaud TechnoSquare for cracking the well known encrypted ECU code on the latest VQ Nissan/Infiniti vehicles because it DOES take a lot of work to figure this out. I know, I've disassembled the code in the Altima ECU (p/n 23710-9J083) and it is not an easy thing. I'm no programmer but I do know how Machine Language in general works.

Now, Cheston, I can help you with one thing if you need it. If you want the Altima .dat file in binary format I have it on my PC. I bought it from Nissan Techinfo dot com for $19.99 American and I have had nothing to do with it since. If the Technosquare guys would like the code, let me know and I will e-mail it to you.

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Old Sep 24, 2003 | 09:46 AM
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Either you pay for it, or you don't. I don't understand why people have to always complain about ****. If you want car where modifying it costs less, go get you a Focus.
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Now, Cheston, I can help you with one thing if you need it. If you want the Altima .dat file in binary format I have it on my PC. I bought it from Nissan Techinfo dot com for $19.99 American and I have had nothing to do with it since. If the Technosquare guys would like the code, let me know and I will e-mail it to you.

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Would you be willing to share it with the org? What exactly is this .dat file for?

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Old Sep 24, 2003 | 10:00 AM
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STOCK ecu data, is always stored on harddrive, in the even that someone wants to revert back to the stock program, then yes, you can have your ecu reflashed to stock program....

if you wish to purchase the Techtom programmer, then yes that is possible too. they will train you to modify the ecu by yourself, but the catch is, they will not tell you exactly where the bit codes are to change, since that is the R&D that they took to find the exact locations...

9. ECU reprogram will NOT SHOW UP on Consult II... no one but you will know that the ECU has been reprogrammed... there is NO DIGITAL ID TAG.
I understand. My thought is that if we were to get the programmer or see if some of the regional guys in anyone’s area wanted to share part of the cost we could not only do it ourselves but also avoid the down time. If after buying the programmer there could be a reduced fee, or purchase a certain number of flashes as a package or licensee kind of deal. The files could be emailed instead of having to pulling the unit. That would be great for guys that are tuning FI or no2. They won't have to give up their info and we get what we want too, win win for both parties.

In the long run this kind of deal would save us quite a bit of money, less products needed, fewer dyno runs and so on. Not only that but less chance of something going wrong that would in turn cost more money...

It's also good to know the dealers wouldn't have a clue.

I'm fairly new to this stuff but I like to think I catch on quickly. Is there a flaw in my thinking?

Thanks again!
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 10:12 AM
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Not that its going to help the situation here but I emailed the guy few mins ago and asking about intial investment, number of needed immediate purchasers for them to sit down and crack the 97-01. I can see the 99's and up being the hardest. Not trying to ***** up this thread but perhaps if we got enough people to pitch in say 10 bucks...and we gave them the money we could get somone to sit down and work on this for us *shrug* just trying to put some effort out there.
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 10:42 AM
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ECM Reprogramming is available to update the ECM of selected 1999, 2000 and later Nissan vehicles when it is determined to be necessary to do so. · ECM Reprogramming allows the vehicle ECM operating program to be upgraded to the latest operating specifications without removal or replacement of the ECM. · An ECM that has been reprogrammed can be identified by the new ECM P/N displayed by CONSULT-II. NOTE: The updated software can be installed into a vehicle ECM without affecting previously programmed NATS data. IMPORTANT: The ECM should be reprogrammed only when required by a specific Nissan Technical Bulletin or as otherwise directed by Nissan North America. · ECM Reprogramming requires the use of ASIST, CONSULT-II (with the red/whitecolor Diagnostic card) and a ECU Reprogramming Software Card (orange color). · The ECU Reprogramming Software Card (orange color) is necessary to allow the transfer of ECM Reprogramming Data from ASIST to the vehicle ECM. · The ECM Reprogramming data needs to be loaded from ASIST before the card can be used for Reprogramming.

Interesting info from nissantechinfo.com
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 10:53 AM
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The 2K-2K1(maybe 99) can also be flashed. It's just probably not going to be worth TS time for all the different quarks of the various ECUs.

Also, I'd be surprised if Nissan didn't base the ECM P/N on the CRC check, which is embedded in the software. Maybe TS knows how to override it?

Originally Posted by infinitiblast
ECM Reprogramming is available to update the ECM of selected 1999, 2000 and later Nissan vehicles when it is determined to be necessary to do so. · ECM Reprogramming allows the vehicle ECM operating program to be upgraded to the latest operating specifications without removal or replacement of the ECM. · An ECM that has been reprogrammed can be identified by the new ECM P/N displayed by CONSULT-II. NOTE: The updated software can be installed into a vehicle ECM without affecting previously programmed NATS data. IMPORTANT: The ECM should be reprogrammed only when required by a specific Nissan Technical Bulletin or as otherwise directed by Nissan North America. · ECM Reprogramming requires the use of ASIST, CONSULT-II (with the red/whitecolor Diagnostic card) and a ECU Reprogramming Software Card (orange color). · The ECU Reprogramming Software Card (orange color) is necessary to allow the transfer of ECM Reprogramming Data from ASIST to the vehicle ECM. · The ECM Reprogramming data needs to be loaded from ASIST before the card can be used for Reprogramming.

Interesting info from nissantechinfo.com
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 11:59 AM
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DAT file

Originally Posted by woosh
Would you be willing to share it with the org? What exactly is this .dat file for?

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Woosh!

The .dat file is pn 23710-9J083 which is the updated ECU for 3.5SE Altima 5-speed. It is the one they upgrade you to when you do the Alty hesitation or lack of power fix. It is the Engine management code and is what is downloaded into the orange card on the Consult from the ASIST unit to be downloaded into the car's ECU.

I would be willing to share it with anyone who wants it, but I don't recommend putting it into a Maxima. It's for the Altima.

All these codes are downloadable for $19.99 U.S. from www.nissantechinfo.com. You plug in the code you have, and it tells you if there is a newer version which you can pay to download.

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Old Sep 24, 2003 | 12:04 PM
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Cheston,

Does the TechTom programmer allow downloading of a new ECU code into the car, or uploading from the car ECU code for saving? Just curious, as I have the .dat file and I would like to see if it is bit for bit the same as my ECU. My ECU is the "supposed" Canadian version of the ECU code from a TSB, but I'm sure it's the exact same code as the U.S.

Thanks,

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Old Sep 24, 2003 | 12:08 PM
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Cheston, one small correction. The Laptop only has to be plugged in while tuning the unit, not for the unit to keep its tuning. Once properly tuned on a dyno, the results have stayed. 10000 miles and no issues so far, i will keep you posted.

Otherwise, I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this. I really think that a combo of the cracked ECU and Emanage could yeild some great WHP gains. I look forward to seeing your results. Keep up the good work man.
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 10e
Cheston,

Does the TechTom programmer allow downloading of a new ECU code into the car, or uploading from the car ECU code for saving? Just curious, as I have the .dat file and I would like to see if it is bit for bit the same as my ECU. My ECU is the "supposed" Canadian version of the ECU code from a TSB, but I'm sure it's the exact same code as the U.S.

Thanks,

10e
Interesting!

Also, do you have access to a Consult-II?
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 12:27 PM
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Cheston,

Can you get a price on the FLASH ECU REPROGRAMMING SYSTEM for Nissans plus the Mighty Map software?
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 12:41 PM
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Cheston,

Can you get a price on the FLASH ECU REPROGRAMMING SYSTEM for Nissans plus the Mighty Map software?
I forgot to ask that. TY
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 12:50 PM
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How about the 2000 - 2001 cars?? I think we are left out of a lot of this stuff.
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Basically. if you buy the programmer you can flash as many ecus as you want since it is now YOU doing the reprogramming.. Basically the Techtom and Mighty Map software is a design tool that you can use to code your own program. TechnoSquare is capable and willing to sell these developer kits, price wise, im thinking its is in the $5k range and they will tell you a few certain codes... Training is included, but again its up to you to find the specific hex coding for , say, THrottle body control, in the entire scheme of the map. its is not labeled "TB Control" or anything. the reason why Technos knows what is it, is because they know what to look for and where.

Currently to DOWNLOAD the ecu version that you have in the car, is being done in Japan, for Techtom Japan has the downloading device. ECUs are sent to japan for the code to be unlocked, copied and reverse engineered.... then the block codes are sent back to TechnoSquare in the US for altering, and hence comes up the new program to upload. the Techtom Programmer that is availabl for purchase now is the UPLOADER only... but the price paid will include files for altering.. (i.e. the 02/03 maxima if you purchase it, etc) there will be a unit coming in the near future that will be capable of downloading AND uploading, but techtom japan is working on it kinda slowly.

E55: thats great. i thought the laptop was needed all the time.. that explains alot. i bet the laptop was just pulling the codes off the engine in realtime for tuning purposes.. which is what i did for my Z and the turbo tuning.. cool. let me know how that emanage works.. and if its for boost application.. i heard rumors of the Greddy TT for the Z is being delayed because of the emanage system not being able to maintain the changes after altering the core signals.

10e-- .dat file is interesting... i will let Technos know



as of right now, the '03 (possible 02) Manual Tranny Maxima ECUs are golden. and well on the way for release... Technosquare just emailed me and stated that are looking for an AUTOMATIC owner that would like to help out and send that ECU to japan to get the code off it...

plz let Danny know if you can help-- his email is: Danny@atagan.com


thanks

--Cheston
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 2k1maxgle
How about the 2000 - 2001 cars?? I think we are left out of a lot of this stuff.
No love! We just need to figure out the most common ECU between the years and drop off a guinea pig with cash in hand.

There are MORE Cali spec ECUs, since late 2000 and all of 2001 Maximas are Cali spec.. Now we just need DAVEB to confirm the P/N were the longest in production and convince TS to give us some future R&D time once they knock out all the rest of their projects.
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 01:04 PM
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So, if I drop the $5K for the 2K2+ programmer, I have everything I need to perform the same $595 upgrade Techtom is performing once you send in the stock ECU?

Originally Posted by Chebosto
Basically. if you buy the programmer you can flash as many ecus as you want since it is now YOU doing the reprogramming.. Basically the Techtom and Mighty Map software is a design tool that you can use to code your own program. TechnoSquare is capable and willing to sell these developer kits, price wise, im thinking its is in the $5k range and they will tell you a few certain codes... Training is included, but again its up to you to find the specific hex coding for , say, THrottle body control, in the entire scheme of the map. its is not labeled "TB Control" or anything. the reason why Technos knows what is it, is because they know what to look for and where.

Currently to DOWNLOAD the ecu version that you have in the car, is being done in Japan, for Techtom Japan has the downloading device. ECUs are sent to japan for the code to be unlocked, copied and reverse engineered.... then the block codes are sent back to TechnoSquare in the US for altering, and hence comes up the new program to upload. the Techtom Programmer that is availabl for purchase now is the UPLOADER only... but the price paid will include files for altering.. (i.e. the 02/03 maxima if you purchase it, etc) there will be a unit coming in the near future that will be capable of downloading AND uploading, but techtom japan is working on it kinda slowly.

E55: thats great. i thought the laptop was needed all the time.. that explains alot. i bet the laptop was just pulling the codes off the engine in realtime for tuning purposes.. which is what i did for my Z and the turbo tuning.. cool. let me know how that emanage works.. and if its for boost application.. i heard rumors of the Greddy TT for the Z is being delayed because of the emanage system not being able to maintain the changes after altering the core signals.

10e-- .dat file is interesting... i will let Technos know



as of right now, the '03 (possible 02) Manual Tranny Maxima ECUs are golden. and well on the way for release... Technosquare just emailed me and stated that are looking for an AUTOMATIC owner that would like to help out and send that ECU to japan to get the code off it...

plz let Danny know if you can help-- his email is: Danny@atagan.com


thanks

--Cheston
Old Sep 24, 2003 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Chebosto

as of right now, the '03 (possible 02) Manual Tranny Maxima ECUs are golden. and well on the way for release... Technosquare just emailed me and stated that are looking for an AUTOMATIC owner that would like to help out and send that ECU to japan to get the code off it...

plz let Danny know if you can help-- his email is: Danny@atagan.com


thanks

--Cheston
What would be the estimated turn around time for that auto ECU donor?



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