'02+ Maxima ECU Cracked!!!
turn around time for auto donor is ~ 2weeks. it will be expressed over to Japan, it will take a few days for the data to be downloaded and then expressed mailed back to the USA.
slight update after talking with danny just now..
They checked out the ECM data from that nissan technical webpage.. They even purchased one for a Z and it CAN NOT be open in the format it was given to them.. in the .dat file i guess... .they havent had the chance to upload it to the consult II, which has like a built in decoder for those files..
As for the Altima, they have that code, the owner of the Altima recently had that lack of power/hesitation TSB so he took it in to get it flash and said "WOW, huge difference in the way the car drives" and 2 days later send in the ECU to Technosquare and that ECU is now in Japan.. So they have the latest/greatest Altima ECU code in their database.
the problem now is to need to find cars for fine tuning here in So Cal.
EDIT:
ICE
if you drop 5 large, you have the capability of doing your own programming... the only thing you DO NOT have, are the addresses of the values needed to be changed.. i.e. A/F. Timing. VTC, TB, Rev Limiter... those you will need to find on your own. and after you do find it... changing the values so that they actually tune the car
slight update after talking with danny just now..
They checked out the ECM data from that nissan technical webpage.. They even purchased one for a Z and it CAN NOT be open in the format it was given to them.. in the .dat file i guess... .they havent had the chance to upload it to the consult II, which has like a built in decoder for those files..
As for the Altima, they have that code, the owner of the Altima recently had that lack of power/hesitation TSB so he took it in to get it flash and said "WOW, huge difference in the way the car drives" and 2 days later send in the ECU to Technosquare and that ECU is now in Japan.. So they have the latest/greatest Altima ECU code in their database.
the problem now is to need to find cars for fine tuning here in So Cal.
EDIT:
ICE
if you drop 5 large, you have the capability of doing your own programming... the only thing you DO NOT have, are the addresses of the values needed to be changed.. i.e. A/F. Timing. VTC, TB, Rev Limiter... those you will need to find on your own. and after you do find it... changing the values so that they actually tune the car
Originally Posted by Chebosto
ICE
if you drop 5 large, you have the capability of doing your own programming... the only thing you DO NOT have, are the addresses of the values needed to be changed.. i.e. A/F. Timing. VTC, TB, Rev Limiter... those you will need to find on your own. and after you do find it... changing the values so that they actually tune the car
if you drop 5 large, you have the capability of doing your own programming... the only thing you DO NOT have, are the addresses of the values needed to be changed.. i.e. A/F. Timing. VTC, TB, Rev Limiter... those you will need to find on your own. and after you do find it... changing the values so that they actually tune the car
Originally Posted by Chebosto
Basically. if you buy the programmer you can flash as many ecus as you want since it is now YOU doing the reprogramming.. Basically the Techtom and Mighty Map software is a design tool that you can use to code your own program. TechnoSquare is capable and willing to sell these developer kits, price wise, im thinking its is in the $5k range and they will tell you a few certain codes... Training is included, but again its up to you to find the specific hex coding
the Techtom Programmer that is availabl for purchase now is the UPLOADER only... but the price paid will include files for altering.. (i.e. the 02/03 maxima if you purchase it, etc) there will be a unit coming in the near future that will be capable of downloading AND uploading, but techtom japan is working on it kinda slowly.
IF I spend $5K on the programmer AND it includes the Maxima 2K2+ UPGRADED program, can I perform the same re-flash Techtom is doing for $595?
If so, we need to talk.
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Originally Posted by Chebosto
ICE
if you drop 5 large, you have the capability of doing your own programming... the only thing you DO NOT have, are the addresses of the values needed to be changed.. i.e. A/F. Timing. VTC, TB, Rev Limiter... those you will need to find on your own. and after you do find it... changing the values so that they actually tune the car
if you drop 5 large, you have the capability of doing your own programming... the only thing you DO NOT have, are the addresses of the values needed to be changed.. i.e. A/F. Timing. VTC, TB, Rev Limiter... those you will need to find on your own. and after you do find it... changing the values so that they actually tune the car
I know you don't have anything to do with this Cheston and are a middle info man so please do take this as directed at you, it's just a blanket statement. Thank you very much for the valuable info, time and effort you've put into this.
For 5k you could buy a Consult II and still have cake left over. From the pics they have on the web page the flash programmer isn't much more than the stuff you get with a OBD2 reader except it uses a parallel connection instead of serial. Your PC still does all the work, with their software (that fits on a single floppy). So that in itself isn't worth much more than a couple hundred at most. I understand they have put the effort in to do the R&D on the code but this can't very car specific. The similarities between platforms with this engine have to be pretty close. Otherwise Nissan would have problems using a single tool for all of them. Once the code is broke they know what their looking at enough that making changes wouldn't be that hard.
I would like to know what I'm up against and learn as I go. Is there something I'm missing here?
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it does NOT include the upgraded program... what i am saying is..
you get the stock program open source code and you have to reprogram it yourself.
obviously Technos is not stupid enuf to sell you the programmer AND an already tuned ecu program, then they would just be shooting themselves in the foot.
what you get is a developer kit. simple as that. its up to you to make your own 'tuned' ecu.
IF I spend $5K on the programmer AND it includes the Maxima 2K2+ UPGRADED program, can I perform the same re-flash Techtom is doing for $595?
If so, we need to talk.
in replies to 777:
a consult can only change so much. its a diagnostics tool... and they are not $5k. more in the likes of 10k last time i checked, but i might be wrong.. i encourage ppl to try to get stuff done like ECU on their time... yea their hardware might be materials cost a few hundred bucks. but if you cant get the hardware interface then it would be pretty much bunk.
check out B&B Electronics.. they have this device called the LDV123P1..
it is a microprocessor that takes data streams from the OBD 2 port and translates the OBD2 signals to an RS232 (computer serial port cable) and you can plug it into your laptop... although then you will have to write the hex code to pull the data off.. i'm not quite sure yet if you canuse the LDV to actively change the code on the ECU, since it might just be a 1 way signal capture.. but i might be wrong..
http://www.bb-elec.com
chk em out
--Ches.
you get the stock program open source code and you have to reprogram it yourself.
obviously Technos is not stupid enuf to sell you the programmer AND an already tuned ecu program, then they would just be shooting themselves in the foot.
what you get is a developer kit. simple as that. its up to you to make your own 'tuned' ecu.
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
IF I spend $5K on the programmer AND it includes the Maxima 2K2+ UPGRADED program, can I perform the same re-flash Techtom is doing for $595?
If so, we need to talk.
in replies to 777:
a consult can only change so much. its a diagnostics tool... and they are not $5k. more in the likes of 10k last time i checked, but i might be wrong.. i encourage ppl to try to get stuff done like ECU on their time... yea their hardware might be materials cost a few hundred bucks. but if you cant get the hardware interface then it would be pretty much bunk.
check out B&B Electronics.. they have this device called the LDV123P1..
it is a microprocessor that takes data streams from the OBD 2 port and translates the OBD2 signals to an RS232 (computer serial port cable) and you can plug it into your laptop... although then you will have to write the hex code to pull the data off.. i'm not quite sure yet if you canuse the LDV to actively change the code on the ECU, since it might just be a 1 way signal capture.. but i might be wrong..
http://www.bb-elec.com
chk em out
--Ches.
Originally Posted by Chebosto
it does NOT include the upgraded program... what i am saying is..
you get the stock program open source code and you have to reprogram it yourself.
obviously Technos is not stupid enuf to sell you the programmer AND an already tuned ecu program, then they would just be shooting themselves in the foot.
what you get is a developer kit. simple as that. its up to you to make your own 'tuned' ecu.
you get the stock program open source code and you have to reprogram it yourself.
obviously Technos is not stupid enuf to sell you the programmer AND an already tuned ecu program, then they would just be shooting themselves in the foot.
what you get is a developer kit. simple as that. its up to you to make your own 'tuned' ecu.
Then I'd like to REQUOTE maximaman777's question on an option TS maybe should consider in the future for those of us who can't have the downtime of sending in our ECU:
Originally Posted by maximaman777
I understand. My thought is that if we were to get the programmer or see if some of the regional guys in anyone’s area wanted to share part of the cost we could not only do it ourselves but also avoid the down time. If after buying the programmer there could be a reduced fee, or purchase a certain number of flashes as a package or licensee kind of deal. The files could be emailed instead of having to pulling the unit. That would be great for guys that are tuning FI or no2. They won't have to give up their info and we get what we want too, win win for both parties.
In the long run this kind of deal would save us quite a bit of money, less products needed, fewer dyno runs and so on. Not only that but less chance of something going wrong that would in turn cost more money...
It's also good to know the dealers wouldn't have a clue.
I'm fairly new to this stuff but I like to think I catch on quickly. Is there a flaw in my thinking?
Thanks again!
In the long run this kind of deal would save us quite a bit of money, less products needed, fewer dyno runs and so on. Not only that but less chance of something going wrong that would in turn cost more money...
It's also good to know the dealers wouldn't have a clue.
I'm fairly new to this stuff but I like to think I catch on quickly. Is there a flaw in my thinking?
Thanks again!
Originally Posted by Chebosto
ecus are clipped into the car via ecu harness.. they are not, persay. like a mod chip to a playstation that is soldered.. its more like a big harddrive case looking thing under the center dash or near the passenger foot well-- it is easily assessible-- if you have the field service manual *cough* *cough* does any one have that on cd *cough*
2k2 ecu? bone yard might have it for $150 to $400 depends who is trying to rip you off--
2k2 ecu? bone yard might have it for $150 to $400 depends who is trying to rip you off--
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeett!!!!!! This is great news. Havent been on the org lately so i almost shat myself when i saw this thread.
So they have the 2000/2001 ECU cracked, but there are a bunch of different versions of the ecu so they cant make a map for everyone right? Will they do dyno tunning for us 2000/2001 people in the area. Im in 310 too and i would be fuking stoked if they can tune my car.
So please, fill me in. Untill then all i have to say is...
So they have the 2000/2001 ECU cracked, but there are a bunch of different versions of the ecu so they cant make a map for everyone right? Will they do dyno tunning for us 2000/2001 people in the area. Im in 310 too and i would be fuking stoked if they can tune my car.
So please, fill me in. Untill then all i have to say is...
Originally Posted by 2kGLE
So they have the 2000/2001 ECU cracked, but there are a bunch of different versions of the ecu so they cant make a map for everyone right?
Only the 2K3-2K4 are confirmed, but the 2K2 is a strong maybe.
No attempt on the 2K-2K1 ECU's.
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Also as you continue to mod your car, especially when you get into FI & NO2, there will be more tuning that needs to be done. That is where emailing files for them to adjust would come in handy. Could you imagine the headaches, down time and expense of having to send in your ecu every time you needed to do more tuning.
The system for reprogramming at a decent price and having the ability to sell the original flash at a discount when buying the reprogrammer along with tuning after the fact should leave them with a high profitable product.
Again this is not just for us Max guys, it includes the Z, G & Alty too. The code is the code, Nissan has the same developers doing it all and the same reader flasher as the interface, the differences have to be minimal. Once you know what you’re looking for it would be easy to make changes. Yes this company needs the base values for each platform but after that it's down hill.
Not only would a less expensive product that's easier for the consumer to install increase revenue, through higher volume, they also would get much more after sale income while still holding on to their proprietary info.
They are a distributor for TechTom, not anything more. I have contacts in Japan; there are ways to work around this company. More time consuming? Yes, but still possible. There are also people here that have been working on this in their spare time already.
Personally I feel that all other mods aside this is the most important area of performance gain and reliability to be worked on, for all Nissans, which has yet to be pioneered. Given the resources this will be done. He who is in 1st will have much to gain if marketed correctly. When people feel like their getting screwed there will be avenues explored to elevate the pain. At the yet unconfirmed prices, I haven’t gotten a response yet, it sounds like we’re getting screwed and not even getting a courtesy reach around.
Again my posts are not directed at you personally please don't take my comments that way. I'm just trying to gather info by raising questions and making statements on a forum that you among others have the ability to shed some light on.
Thank you very much for sharing your experience with us.
The system for reprogramming at a decent price and having the ability to sell the original flash at a discount when buying the reprogrammer along with tuning after the fact should leave them with a high profitable product.
Again this is not just for us Max guys, it includes the Z, G & Alty too. The code is the code, Nissan has the same developers doing it all and the same reader flasher as the interface, the differences have to be minimal. Once you know what you’re looking for it would be easy to make changes. Yes this company needs the base values for each platform but after that it's down hill.
Not only would a less expensive product that's easier for the consumer to install increase revenue, through higher volume, they also would get much more after sale income while still holding on to their proprietary info.
They are a distributor for TechTom, not anything more. I have contacts in Japan; there are ways to work around this company. More time consuming? Yes, but still possible. There are also people here that have been working on this in their spare time already.
Personally I feel that all other mods aside this is the most important area of performance gain and reliability to be worked on, for all Nissans, which has yet to be pioneered. Given the resources this will be done. He who is in 1st will have much to gain if marketed correctly. When people feel like their getting screwed there will be avenues explored to elevate the pain. At the yet unconfirmed prices, I haven’t gotten a response yet, it sounds like we’re getting screwed and not even getting a courtesy reach around.
Again my posts are not directed at you personally please don't take my comments that way. I'm just trying to gather info by raising questions and making statements on a forum that you among others have the ability to shed some light on.
Thank you very much for sharing your experience with us.
Originally Posted by maximaman777
Also as you continue to mod your car, especially when you get into FI & NO2, there will be more tuning that needs to be done. That is where emailing files for them to adjust would come in handy. Could you imagine the headaches, down time and expense of having to send in your ecu every time you needed to do more tuning.
The system for reprogramming at a decent price and having the ability to sell the original flash at a discount when buying the reprogrammer along with tuning after the fact should leave them with a high profitable product.
Again this is not just for us Max guys, it includes the Z, G & Alty too. The code is the code, Nissan has the same developers doing it all and the same reader flasher as the interface, the differences have to be minimal. Once you know what you’re looking for it would be easy to make changes. Yes this company needs the base values for each platform but after that it's down hill.
Not only would a less expensive product that's easier for the consumer to install increase revenue, through higher volume, they also would get much more after sale income while still holding on to their proprietary info.
They are a distributor for TechTom, not anything more. I have contacts in Japan; there are ways to work around this company. More time consuming? Yes, but still possible. There are also people here that have been working on this in their spare time already.
Personally I feel that all other mods aside this is the most important area of performance gain and reliability to be worked on, for all Nissans, which has yet to be pioneered. Given the resources this will be done. He who is in 1st will have much to gain if marketed correctly. When people feel like their getting screwed there will be avenues explored to elevate the pain. At the yet unconfirmed prices, I haven’t gotten a response yet, it sounds like we’re getting screwed and not even getting a courtesy reach around.
Again my posts are not directed at you personally please don't take my comments that way. I'm just trying to gather info by raising questions and making statements on a forum that you among others have the ability to shed some light on.
Thank you very much for sharing your experience with us.
The system for reprogramming at a decent price and having the ability to sell the original flash at a discount when buying the reprogrammer along with tuning after the fact should leave them with a high profitable product.
Again this is not just for us Max guys, it includes the Z, G & Alty too. The code is the code, Nissan has the same developers doing it all and the same reader flasher as the interface, the differences have to be minimal. Once you know what you’re looking for it would be easy to make changes. Yes this company needs the base values for each platform but after that it's down hill.
Not only would a less expensive product that's easier for the consumer to install increase revenue, through higher volume, they also would get much more after sale income while still holding on to their proprietary info.
They are a distributor for TechTom, not anything more. I have contacts in Japan; there are ways to work around this company. More time consuming? Yes, but still possible. There are also people here that have been working on this in their spare time already.
Personally I feel that all other mods aside this is the most important area of performance gain and reliability to be worked on, for all Nissans, which has yet to be pioneered. Given the resources this will be done. He who is in 1st will have much to gain if marketed correctly. When people feel like their getting screwed there will be avenues explored to elevate the pain. At the yet unconfirmed prices, I haven’t gotten a response yet, it sounds like we’re getting screwed and not even getting a courtesy reach around.
Again my posts are not directed at you personally please don't take my comments that way. I'm just trying to gather info by raising questions and making statements on a forum that you among others have the ability to shed some light on.
Thank you very much for sharing your experience with us.
Got dyno?
Originally Posted by ULISES
This program is good for the 2k2 and 2k3 MAXIMA'S only. 
Does somebody need to send in an 4AT ECU to make the auto ECU happen?
Cheston, here is the description from greddy's website.
e-Manage is an inexpensive programmable fuel management system that allows you to properly tune your factory fuel system, without having to change the entire factory ECU system to an expensive "stand-alone" unit. The e-Manage system is a universal "piggy-back" type unit, which taps into most factory ECU wiring and it still utilizes the existing sensors. Basic functions will allow the user to slightly alter factory injector duty-cycle(± 20% at 5 preset RPM points), by intercepting and altering airflow or MAP sensor signals. For VTEC cars you can adjust the VTEC shift point.
Additional features that are built into the system, but are only accessible though the use of our PC-Windows based "e-Manage Support Tool" communication software (Please see our Authorized GReddy Support Dealers for more information) are a 16x16 Airflow Adjustmemt Map, Larger Main Injector correction adjustment, Upgrade Air Flow Meter adjustment, Boost Limiter Cut, Anti-engine Stall, VTEC-fuel adjustment, Real-time Map Trace, Real-time Display, Real-time Communication, and basic Data-logging.
With the use of our "Optional Injector Harness" and the software, the unit has the ability to control an additional 16x16 Injector duty cycle Map and the Controls for adding up to 2 Addional Sub-injectors. If the "Optional Ignition Harrness" and the software is used the unit has the ability to control a 16x16 Ignition Timing Map. All of the above Maps can also be Map-traced in Real-time as well. If the factory range of Map or Airflow meter is surpassed, you can incorperate our "Optional GReddy Pressure Sensor and Pressue Harness" to set larger scales of ajustment.
All installation and tuning should only be made by a trained techntion with proper Air/Fuel Monitoring tools.
Part # Description List Price
15500550 e-Manage (main unit) $379.00
15500901 Optional Injector Harness $38.50
15500902 Optional Ignition Harness $41.80
16401301 GReddy Pressure Sensor $120.00
16401406 Pressure Sensor Harness $35.00
TBA e-Manage Support Tool
I believe it can also be used as a boost controller w/ the proper harness attached to it. It really is an amazing unit.
e-Manage is an inexpensive programmable fuel management system that allows you to properly tune your factory fuel system, without having to change the entire factory ECU system to an expensive "stand-alone" unit. The e-Manage system is a universal "piggy-back" type unit, which taps into most factory ECU wiring and it still utilizes the existing sensors. Basic functions will allow the user to slightly alter factory injector duty-cycle(± 20% at 5 preset RPM points), by intercepting and altering airflow or MAP sensor signals. For VTEC cars you can adjust the VTEC shift point.
Additional features that are built into the system, but are only accessible though the use of our PC-Windows based "e-Manage Support Tool" communication software (Please see our Authorized GReddy Support Dealers for more information) are a 16x16 Airflow Adjustmemt Map, Larger Main Injector correction adjustment, Upgrade Air Flow Meter adjustment, Boost Limiter Cut, Anti-engine Stall, VTEC-fuel adjustment, Real-time Map Trace, Real-time Display, Real-time Communication, and basic Data-logging.
With the use of our "Optional Injector Harness" and the software, the unit has the ability to control an additional 16x16 Injector duty cycle Map and the Controls for adding up to 2 Addional Sub-injectors. If the "Optional Ignition Harrness" and the software is used the unit has the ability to control a 16x16 Ignition Timing Map. All of the above Maps can also be Map-traced in Real-time as well. If the factory range of Map or Airflow meter is surpassed, you can incorperate our "Optional GReddy Pressure Sensor and Pressue Harness" to set larger scales of ajustment.
All installation and tuning should only be made by a trained techntion with proper Air/Fuel Monitoring tools.
Part # Description List Price
15500550 e-Manage (main unit) $379.00
15500901 Optional Injector Harness $38.50
15500902 Optional Ignition Harness $41.80
16401301 GReddy Pressure Sensor $120.00
16401406 Pressure Sensor Harness $35.00
TBA e-Manage Support Tool
I believe it can also be used as a boost controller w/ the proper harness attached to it. It really is an amazing unit.
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I may have miss spoken it appears TechTom and TS are related somehow. And the whole reprogramming setup does run 5K. Oh and that doesn't include a laptop to run it on.
Well it looks like my ECU stays the way it is. I can't afford the reflash or the down time. At least for a year or more.
Well it looks like my ECU stays the way it is. I can't afford the reflash or the down time. At least for a year or more.
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Re-read please.
Only the 2K3-2K4 are confirmed, but the 2K2 is a strong maybe.
No attempt on the 2K-2K1 ECU's.
Only the 2K3-2K4 are confirmed, but the 2K2 is a strong maybe.
No attempt on the 2K-2K1 ECU's.
Originally Posted by 2kGLE
ya sorry ice...im on a friends comp so i was kinda skiming. i also dont know much about tunning to begin with. i thought they could change timing, a/f ratio, tb control, etc...but they just couldnt make something that would work on all 00/01 models. nm.
Originally Posted by maximaman777
I may have miss spoken it appears TechTom and TS are related somehow. And the whole reprogramming setup does run 5K. Oh and that doesn't include a laptop to run it on.
Originally Posted by maximaman777
Also as you continue to mod your car, especially when you get into FI & NO2, there will be more tuning that needs to be done. That is where emailing files for them to adjust would come in handy. Could you imagine the headaches, down time and expense of having to send in your ecu every time you needed to do more tuning.
Originally Posted by maximaman777
Again this is not just for us Max guys, it includes the Z, G & Alty too. The code is the code, Nissan has the same developers doing it all and the same reader flasher as the interface, the differences have to be minimal. Once you know what you’re looking for it would be easy to make changes. Yes this company needs the base values for each platform but after that it's down hill.
Originally Posted by maximaman777
Not only would a less expensive product that's easier for the consumer to install increase revenue, through higher volume, they also would get much more after sale income while still holding on to their proprietary info.
Originally Posted by maximaman777
They are a distributor for TechTom, not anything more. I have contacts in Japan; there are ways to work around this company. More time consuming? Yes, but still possible. There are also people here that have been working on this in their spare time already.
They do a little more than just a distributor for Techtom-- they are tuners for Schuitemaker Pro-Grand am Race team (350z), after market supporters for Rhys millen race team, MazdaSpeed USA, the R&D power house behind the Power Enterprise Twin Turbo kit for the Z, and SARD USA distributor.. they do a little drifting on the side with their AE86s...
Originally Posted by maximaman777
He who is in 1st will have much to gain if marketed correctly. When people feel like their getting screwed there will be avenues explored to elevate the pain. At the yet unconfirmed prices, I haven’t gotten a response yet, it sounds like we’re getting screwed and not even getting a courtesy reach around.
Originally Posted by maximaman777
Again my posts are not directed at you personally please don't take my comments that way. I'm just trying to gather info by raising questions and making statements on a forum that you among others have the ability to shed some light on. Thank you very much for sharing your experience with us.
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Originally Posted by Chebosto
Yes. i do see the headaches. My roommate does it all the time with his A6 2.7T.. he sends his ecu to NY after every major mod.. so far he's sent it to OCT tuning about 5 times... stock upgrade, then after the exhaust, after the new turbos, after the new intercooler, and after the new pipegizmos in the engine... he does it all the time, and its just the way of modding. if you want power, and you want it bad enough, u will will have to do what you need to do. its just his preference.
I know you don't work for TS, I'm sorry if that is the way I came off.
I want speed but not that bad. I can't afford to spend that kind of money and still manage my other interests. Getting out of debt and working on my house take a good bit out of me.
As a hobby if I could show some minor income I could deduct some of the expense but at 5K...
Maybe I'll just sit on the sidelines and keep my ideas to myself while I save cash to do something with out dated tech or old school.
Personally, I think most of you guys are a bunch of cheap a$ss morons. You complain there are no mods. No we have headers and possibly ECU mod. Together both of these will get us about 30-40 HP at the wheels . True HP gains. Now you all sit there and cry like little F@GS about the price. Why would anyone spend time on R&D , and make something, when they wil encounter a bunch of guys that spent as much as 35k for their cars, and are car payment poor -- and have no money for mods..
... What do you want ? Cheston to post the ECU mod at $199 ? Dont be stupid. If you cant hang with the mods, shuit up, dont post and move on to another intake thread, or go figure outwhat foglight bulb you want to mod to ! Im tired of you cheap freaks ! Thats why people dont make anything for our cars ! For once I agree with DONKEY ! He is right ! ...If you cant hang with the big boys, get off !
... What do you want ? Cheston to post the ECU mod at $199 ? Dont be stupid. If you cant hang with the mods, shuit up, dont post and move on to another intake thread, or go figure outwhat foglight bulb you want to mod to ! Im tired of you cheap freaks ! Thats why people dont make anything for our cars ! For once I agree with DONKEY ! He is right ! ...If you cant hang with the big boys, get off !
Originally Posted by kloogy
Personally, I think most of you guys are a bunch of cheap a$ss morons. You complain there are no mods. No we have headers and possibly ECU mod. Together both of these will get us about 30-40 HP at the wheels . True HP gains. Now you all sit there and cry like little F@GS about the price. Why would anyone spend time on R&D , and make something, when they wil encounter a bunch of guys that spent as much as 35k for their cars, and are car payment poor -- and have no money for mods..... What do you want ? Cheston to post the ECU mod at $199 ? Dont be stupid. If you cant hang with the mods, shuit up, dont post and move on to another intake thread, or go figure outwhat foglight bulb you want to mod to ! Im tired of you cheap freaks ! Thats why people dont make anything for our cars ! For once I agree with DONKEY ! He is right ! ...If you cant hang with the big boys, get off !
... What do you want ? Cheston to post the ECU mod at $199 ? Dont be stupid. If you cant hang with the mods, shuit up, dont post and move on to another intake thread, or go figure outwhat foglight bulb you want to mod to ! Im tired of you cheap freaks ! Thats why people dont make anything for our cars ! For once I agree with DONKEY ! He is right ! ...If you cant hang with the big boys, get off ! The chill pill goes into the mouth and then its washed down with nice glass of cool water.... I'm sorry for being poor I guess.... I'll try to rob a bank and buy everything available for my car now. 
But seriously tho, I want to support these peeps for putting out great ground breaking mods for my car but I can't fund it now. I'll have to wait until I'm done paying off the car. No I don't have parents paying off my car and yes I work 9 hard hours a day so that I can shovel the money I make into Maxine's gaping maw...
First of all, I pay for my car, Im 30 years old and I can afford it. If you cant get it , just dont flame it or say its too expensive. Just keep your pie hole shut. I work my a$$$$ off for what I have. I cant help the fact that you cant hang....
Its a never ending debate on price vs cheapskates. Most of the people that cant afford them that open their pie hole are the ones that look on ebay and see intakes, turbo kits, etc for hondas and eclipses, and other cars go for probably less than 1/2 of what we end up paying. Why is this? Hmm I guess the biggest thing these people cant get through their steal re-inforced skull is that its SUPPLY and DEMAND. There aint nearly even remotely amount of maximas that are into modding as there are hondas. Thats it. Thats how simple the pricing structure comes down to.
If you want to complain about prices, how come no one complains about BMW modding prices? What about paying $7500 for a big brake kit? Want to bish about that? Want to pay $2700 for a set of headers? Makes us maxima people look like nickle and dime hustlers. Think first, then speak.
Dixit
If you want to complain about prices, how come no one complains about BMW modding prices? What about paying $7500 for a big brake kit? Want to bish about that? Want to pay $2700 for a set of headers? Makes us maxima people look like nickle and dime hustlers. Think first, then speak.
Dixit
Originally Posted by maximaman777
Does he pay $600 a crack for the reflash?
Originally Posted by maximaman777
As a hobby if I could show some minor income I could deduct some of the expense but at 5K...
there are alot of SAE documents on the CAN systems on cars.. i suggest anyone interested look them up..
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Damn kloogy man, calm down. Some people buy cars that they can afford while not really being able to afford heavy hitting, expensive mods such as headers, rims, etc. Those people are usually students, or married dudes whose wives have their ***** in a pickle jar on the mantle. Call it penny pinching, or just being cheap, it still doesn't make for an argument where people should not be able to voice their opinion about something. I was the first person to say that $595 is a lot of money, and that was not because I do not have the money; rather, it was because I did not think that a chip upgrade would be ~$600. Some people, like myself, take a lot of time and thought before buying something as simple as a $100 muffler (we talked about this on AIM briefly). Some can easily fork over $2000 for new rims and sleep soundly at night, knowing that they made the right decision.
What I am trying to say is that, 1) I can voice my opinion about price as much as I want. Looking at the thread now, I guess the price is somewhat reasonable, although I still think one hundred dollars can easily be shaved off of it, especially in a GD situation, and 2) People who mod their cars choose to do so because they are able to spend money on their cars, and because they love doing so. I, for one, really like it when a new part arrives, or when I get compliments from friends and such. But, forking out a large sum of cash at one time is a hard thing to do, so that's why people do the "bulb switching" or whatever you called it - it's cheap, and it appeases the mod bug clawing away at your brain.
To summarize, please don't jump on people for their opinions when it comes to spending money on cars, as there is a reason behind what they are saying, whether you realize it or not.
What I am trying to say is that, 1) I can voice my opinion about price as much as I want. Looking at the thread now, I guess the price is somewhat reasonable, although I still think one hundred dollars can easily be shaved off of it, especially in a GD situation, and 2) People who mod their cars choose to do so because they are able to spend money on their cars, and because they love doing so. I, for one, really like it when a new part arrives, or when I get compliments from friends and such. But, forking out a large sum of cash at one time is a hard thing to do, so that's why people do the "bulb switching" or whatever you called it - it's cheap, and it appeases the mod bug clawing away at your brain.
To summarize, please don't jump on people for their opinions when it comes to spending money on cars, as there is a reason behind what they are saying, whether you realize it or not.